Guns

[Vambo]

1 minute ago, BaconHound said:

I tend to think that is a played out argument.  You can’t use criminals as the measuring stick.  Criminals don’t have car insurance, they steal, they rape, they etc.. you get the point.  You still try and pass reasonable laws that limit their ability, access or simply punish.  

What reasonable laws will criminals follow to limit their ability, access or simply punish?

[BaconHound]

4 minutes ago, Vambo said:

What reasonable laws will criminals follow to limit their ability, access or simply punish?

I think closing the “gun show” loophole federally is a good start.

I’d like to see licensure for the purchase of any firearm.  It could simply be tied a driver’s license or state issued non-driver ID. 

No more private sales of firearms would be another good one. Have dealers facilitate all transfers.  Been doing this in NYS for pistols since 2013 and everyone has adjusted quite nicely.

I’m all for people having hundreds of guns, just want to know who owns what.

[Vambo]

21 minutes ago, BaconHound said:

I think closing the “gun show” loophole federally is a good start.

What loophole?

I’d like to see licensure for the purchase of any firearm.  It could simply be tied a driver’s license or state issued non-driver ID. 

You mean the ones Democrats say are racist for voting?

No more private sales of firearms would be another good one. Have dealers facilitate all transfers.  Been doing this in NYS for pistols since 2013 and everyone has adjusted quite nicely.

Do the criminals in New York abide by that? Why is the murder rate so high there compared to cities that don't do that?

I’m all for people having hundreds of guns, just want to know who owns what.

So you don't believe in the right to privacy?  You're open to letting everyone know all of your doings and possessions?

Seems odd Democrats pushing gun reform and all of a sudden shooting are running rampant..

[Vambo]

https://thefederalist.com/2015/10/07/7-gun-control-myths-that-just-wont-die/

1) The ‘Gun Show Loophole’ Allows Anyone, Even Criminals, To Get Guns

 

In reality, the so-called “gun show loophole” is a myth. It does not exist. There is no loophole in federal law that specifically exempts gun show transactions from any other laws normally applied to gun sales. Not one.

If you purchase a firearm from a federal firearms licensee (FFL) regardless of the location of the transaction — a gun store, a gun show, a gun dealer’s car trunk, etc. — that FFL must confirm that you are legally allowed to purchase that gun. That means the FFL must either run a background check on you via the federal NICS database, or confirm that you have passed a background check by examining your state-issued concealed carry permit or your government-issued purchase permit. There are zero exceptions to this federal requirement.

If an individual purchases a gun across state lines — from an individual or FFL which resides in a different state than the buyer — the buyer must undergo a background check, and the sale must be processed by an FFL in the buyer’s home state.

 

 

What does exist, however, is a federal exemption for sales between two private, non-FFL residents of the same state, regardless of whether that transaction happens at a gun show or not. The identity of the parties involved in the transaction, not the venue of the sale, is what matters under federal law. This federal exemption makes perfect sense: there’s no federal nexus for a purely private transaction between two private individuals who reside in the same state. Many states, including Oregon, Colorado, and Illinois, have enacted universal background checks in order to eliminate the exemption for same-state private firearms transactions.

Federal universal background checks may or may not be a wise idea — the U.S. Senate in 2013 explicitly refused to enact them — but referring to the federal exemption for private, same-state sales as a “gun show loophole” is misleading and factually inaccurate.

[hammertime]

59 minutes ago, BaconHound said:

I think closing the “gun show” loophole federally is a good start.

I’d like to see licensure for the purchase of any firearm.  It could simply be tied a driver’s license or state issued non-driver ID. 

No more private sales of firearms would be another good one. Have dealers facilitate all transfers.  Been doing this in NYS for pistols since 2013 and everyone has adjusted quite nicely.

I’m all for people having hundreds of guns, just want to know who owns what.

Yo Bacon... none of your business is i have guns or a slingshot.

[BaconHound]

1 hour ago, Vambo said:

https://thefederalist.com/2015/10/07/7-gun-control-myths-that-just-wont-die/

1) The ‘Gun Show Loophole’ Allows Anyone, Even Criminals, To Get Guns

 

In reality, the so-called “gun show loophole” is a myth. It does not exist. There is no loophole in federal law that specifically exempts gun show transactions from any other laws normally applied to gun sales. Not one.

If you purchase a firearm from a federal firearms licensee (FFL) regardless of the location of the transaction — a gun store, a gun show, a gun dealer’s car trunk, etc. — that FFL must confirm that you are legally allowed to purchase that gun. That means the FFL must either run a background check on you via the federal NICS database, or confirm that you have passed a background check by examining your state-issued concealed carry permit or your government-issued purchase permit. There are zero exceptions to this federal requirement.

If an individual purchases a gun across state lines — from an individual or FFL which resides in a different state than the buyer — the buyer must undergo a background check, and the sale must be processed by an FFL in the buyer’s home state.

 

 

What does exist, however, is a federal exemption for sales between two private, non-FFL residents of the same state, regardless of whether that transaction happens at a gun show or not. The identity of the parties involved in the transaction, not the venue of the sale, is what matters under federal law. This federal exemption makes perfect sense: there’s no federal nexus for a purely private transaction between two private individuals who reside in the same state. Many states, including Oregon, Colorado, and Illinois, have enacted universal background checks in order to eliminate the exemption for same-state private firearms transactions.

Federal universal background checks may or may not be a wise idea — the U.S. Senate in 2013 explicitly refused to enact them — but referring to the federal exemption for private, same-state sales as a “gun show loophole” is misleading and factually inaccurate.

The gun show loophole is where private persons are allowed to setup alongside an FFL and sell firearms without processing the NICS check.

[Vambo]

10 minutes ago, BaconHound said:

The gun show loophole is where private persons are allowed to setup alongside an FFL and sell firearms without processing the NICS check.

What does exist, however, is a federal exemption for sales between two private, non-FFL residents of the same state, regardless of whether that transaction happens at a gun show or not. The identity of the parties involved in the transaction, not the venue of the sale, is what matters under federal law. This federal exemption makes perfect sense: there’s no federal nexus for a purely private transaction between two private individuals who reside in the same state. Many states, including Oregon, Colorado, and Illinois, have enacted universal background checks in order to eliminate the exemption for same-state private firearms transactions.

Federal universal background checks may or may not be a wise idea — the U.S. Senate in 2013 explicitly refused to enact them — but referring to the federal exemption for private, same-state sales as a “gun show loophole” is misleading and factually inaccurate.

 

How are you going to stop sales between private citizens and again would closing your "loophole" stop criminals from buying guns from other criminals?  Closing the border may help from illegal guns from coming into the country.

[mjp28]

On 4/3/2021 at 7:47 AM, Vambo said:

 

Isn't that basically the updated Viet nam era thumper ?

I always wanted one of those.  

[calfoxwc]

15 hours ago, BaconHound said:

The gun show loophole is where private persons are allowed to setup alongside an FFL and sell firearms without processing the NICS check.

that isn't a "loophole". a private person can have a garage sale and sell guns. A private citizen can advertise his guns for sale.

Now, if you want to say "private citizens have to go through a background check before they sell a gun to anybody at a

gun show"...I'm fine with it.

Except it's nonsense - private citizens will just advertise at a gun show and sell their guns later.

Meaning... you have to register all guns to control all sales.

Meaning... registration is gun confiscation, by force, by economic means via exorbitant taxes, fees, etc to eliminate ownership, social and legal harrassment and endangerment of private citizens who own guns. The left wants to make "red flag" laws a legal harrassment.

Before disagreeing...read:

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New York Journal News Publishes Gun Owners' Names In ...

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/new-york-journal...

Dec 25, 2012 · A New York newspaper is under criticism for publishing the names and addresses of local gun owners on Monday. In a piece titled, "The gun owner next door: What you don't know about the weapons in your neighborhood," the Journal News requested the names and addresses of local residents

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why make New Yorkers register their guns? I said why. Why publish names? even of policemen? firemen? criminal attorneys?

no good reason, folks. "register guns so it will make us safer...so we can "haha" make you gun owners a target and very, very unsafe. We hope you all get fake "red flagged" by our haters"

 

[DieHardBrownsFan]

[TexasAg1969]

4 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

Or the arsenal that every red-blooded American male should own, especially #1 when the doves are flying think as .......................flies? Get 'em while ya can. 🙄🕊️

 

[calfoxwc]

https://www.theblaze.com/shows/in-the-woods/phil-robertson-gun-argument?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1

 

[hoorta]

1 hour ago, calfoxwc said:

https://www.theblaze.com/shows/in-the-woods/phil-robertson-gun-argument?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1

 

To a certain extent Cal- it's the old "guns don't kill people, people kill people". Or Phil's updated argument- people without morality with a gun kill people- agreed. Except- knives, baseball bats, and rocks kill people too, but they're far less efficient if you have mass mayhem on your mind- like the guy in Las Vegas with a bump stock, or our Dayton shooter with a 100 round drum magazine.  Saw something today- the latest poll of those claiming religious affiliation has declined from 70% to 50% in the last 10 years. There's the problem. 

[calfoxwc]

1 minute ago, hoorta said:

To a certain extent Cal- it's the old "guns don't kill people, people kill people". Or Phil's updated argument- people without morality with a gun kill people- agreed. Except- knives, baseball bats, and rocks kill people too, but they're far less efficient if you have mass mayhem on your mind- like the guy in Las Vegas with a bump stock, or our Dayton shooter with a 100 round drum magazine.  Saw something today- the latest poll of those claiming church membership has declined from 70% to 50% in the last 10 years. There's the problem. 

Reasonable reply, but arson happens a lot, and we don't ban fire, because it would be stupid. ban matches...lighters,

ferro rods, ban flint... arson will still happen.

More gun control is ONLY a political attack on more than half of America - the half that isn't leftwing.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-10

for instance:

Murder and
nonnegligent
manslaughter (ILLEGAL)

16,459

Violent Crime (ILLEGAL)

1,217,400

Rape ILLEGAL)

112,470

Arson (ILLEGAL)

43,249

https://lidblog.com/fbi-2018-crime-report/

Here’s what the FBI report said: Last year there were an estimated 14,123 murders in the United States, down from the 15,129 reported in 2017. In 2018, an estimated 10,256 killings involved firearms, down slightly from the 10,982 reported by the FBI in its 2017 UCR.

One thing that caught CCRKBA’s attention was the number of slayings that involved rifles of any kind (they are not separated into categories of action type). According to the FBI, last year saw 297 homicides that definitely involved rifles, although there were 3,130 murders committed with an unknown or unidentified kind of firearm. On a ratio of roughly 20-to-1 between handguns and rifles that is fairly typical in any given year, it’s not likely a whole lot of those “unknown” weapons were rifles.

That said, CCRKBA wants to know why there is such a feverish push to ban so-called “assault weapons.” If they are involved in a fraction of all the homicides in any given year, it might seem that the effort to ban them is more than theatrics or to prevent gun-related crimes.

Some people believe that the effort is to get people to accept the notion that it’s okay to ban a whole class of firearms without violating the Second Amendment.

 

“Democrats including all of those now running for president want to ban modern semiautomatic sporting rifles,” Gottlieb noted in a news release, “which they repeatedly mischaracterize as ‘weapons of war.’ Millions of honest citizens own such firearms, and they have harmed nobody.”

Interesting point. At the Gun Rights Conference, it was estimated that there may be as many as 15 million such rifles in circulation today. Against less than 300 rifles used in homicides, the crime data amounts to a flyspeck.

“Let’s have this discussion,” he challenged, “and let’s stick to the facts. Let’s leave the emotions and theatrics outside. It’s time for the gun prohibition lobby, and their Democrat allies, to explain why they want to unilaterally disarm this country’s law-abiding gun owners. Why are they determined to penalize every gun owner for crimes they didn’t commit? Why do they treat the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as a government-regulated privilege? The right to keep and bear arms predates the Second Amendment. We have the Second Amendment to prevent the government from taking away our liberty, and it’s time for Democrats and gun grabbers to explain why they want to change that.”

 

[calfoxwc]

so, 14,123 murders in 2018....

and

36,560 people were killed in traffic crashes in 2018, a 2.4% decrease from 2017

• 1,038 children (14 and younger) died, a more than 10% decline
• 9,378 speeding-related deaths, an almost 6% drop
• 4,985 motorcycle fatalities, an almost 5% decrease
• 6,283 pedestrians died, a more than 3% increase, and the most deaths since 1990
• 857 bicyclist deaths, a more than 6% increase

**************************

   The left doesn't want to ban cars, restrict them to only 25 miles per hr....they couldn't care less.

But 300 people murdered with some kind of rifle is the gigantic concern.

More gun laws are strictly political leftwing attempts at power. That is the only genuine way to explain the

contradictions. "outrage" about one hoodlum getting shot and killed with false narratives about the hoodlum -

purely dirty corrupt leftwing political garbage'.

   Meanwhile tens of thousands of other deaths - they do NOT care one whit.

Meanwhile, where is the left's outrage about ...abortion?

This corresponds to approximately 125,000 abortions per day. In the USA, where nearly half of pregnancies are unintended and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion [1] , there are over 3,000 abortions per day.

   So, I deduce from it all - the left is only feigns outrage over gun tragedies out of political power mongering, NOT a legit abhorence to innocent deaths that should not happen.

 

[hammertime]

On 3/31/2021 at 1:15 PM, hoorta said:

Aw gee- it was OK for Trump and the MAGAs to just let 'em rot on the other side of the border- not our problem.  Sure, cram them together with no masks- covid disaster waiting to happen. This didn't cause that spike across America though    

Here's some inconvenient factoids for ya Vambo....   

"Apprehensions at the U.S. southern border have been on the rise since April 2020, and now number nearly eighty thousand per month. While the upsurge is significant, it is just half of the 2019 peak levels. It also differs in makeup: Today, the majority of migrants are Mexican, not Central American".  Put your thinking cap on guy- and tell me who was president in 2019, or April of last year.  HINT: it wasn't Joe Biden.  

Since you want to turn gun control into an OT Biden border rant, here's something I saw that's just as off topic.... You global warming deniers just keep on keeping on it's phony. 

"Amid an exceptionally warm March in Japan, the cherry blossoms in Kyoto peaked Friday, the earliest in more than 1,200 years of records. The record bloom fits into a long-term pattern toward earlier spring flowering, a compelling indicator of climate change, experts say."

It’s about how they feeeel....

why show real numbers and truthfulness about killing babies.

[Vambo]

On 3/31/2021 at 1:15 PM, hoorta said:

 

 

Here's some inconvenient factoids for ya Vambo....   

 You global warming deniers just keep on keeping on it's phony. 

"Amid an exceptionally warm March in Japan, the cherry blossoms in Kyoto peaked Friday, the earliest in more than 1,200 years of records. The record bloom fits into a long-term pattern toward earlier spring flowering, a compelling indicator of climate change, experts say."

The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from the Consulate at Bergen, Norway.

Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard of temperatures in the Arctic zone.

Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.

Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm
.

Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coast cities uninhabitable.

I must apologize.

I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922 as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post 96 years ago.

This must have been caused by Model T Ford emissions or possibly from horse farts.

[hammertime]

But but but cherry blossoms!!!!

 

you don’t care you insensitive bastard 

 

😰😥😓

[hoorta]

4 hours ago, Vambo said:

The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from the Consulate at Bergen, Norway.

Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard of temperatures in the Arctic zone.

Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.

Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm.

Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coast cities uninhabitable.

I must apologize.

I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922 as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post 96 years ago.

This must have been caused by Model T Ford emissions or possibly from horse farts.

You need some new material- like repeating yourself much smarty pants?  It hit 100 degrees in Siberia last year. Sorry kiddo- we have way more precise ways of measuring things on a global scale than we did 100 years ago. 

 

Early 1900s Glacier Bay wasn't even a bay- it was an Ice sheet. I've taken a stroll up the Exit Glacier Trail in Alaska where the glacier has retreated about a mile from where it was in the early 1900s (they have cute little date markers on the trail)..https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/environment/2017/08/04/retreating-exit-glacier-has-become-an-icon-of-climate-change/   Ditto taking a Cessna ride to Denail where the massive Ruth Glacier has retreated miles.  Glacier National Park may not have any true glaciers pretty soon. And if the Ross Ice Shelf in Antarctica breaks up- if you live oceanfront- you had better start thinking about moving to higher ground. 

But do keep on denying reality....  

[hoorta]

12 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

“Democrats including all of those now running for president want to ban modern semiautomatic sporting rifles,” Gottlieb noted in a news release, “which they repeatedly mischaracterize as ‘weapons of war.’ Millions of honest citizens own such firearms, and they have harmed nobody.”

Interesting point. At the Gun Rights Conference, it was estimated that there may be as many as 15 million such rifles in circulation today. Against less than 300 rifles used in homicides, the crime data amounts to a flyspeck.

“Let’s have this discussion,” he challenged, “and let’s stick to the facts. Let’s leave the emotions and theatrics outside. It’s time for the gun prohibition lobby, and their Democrat allies, to explain why they want to unilaterally disarm this country’s law-abiding gun owners. Why are they determined to penalize every gun owner for crimes they didn’t commit? Why do they treat the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as a government-regulated privilege? The right to keep and bear arms predates the Second Amendment. We have the Second Amendment to prevent the government from taking away our liberty, and it’s time for Democrats and gun grabbers to explain why they want to change that.”

OK, fair enough- should we just do nothing, say "nothing can be done about the mass shootings", and sit around the campfire and sing Kumbaya?  BTW, if what I read in Wiki is correct- there's more guns in circulation in the USA than there is population. Considering a lot of people don't own guns- those who do have them, have to have a lot of them. In that light, the wailing "they're gong to take our guns away" looks pretty ridiculous, and not too damn likely.  The problem is from my POV a few nut job mentally unstable goobers are ruining it for the millions of responsible gun owners. Hey- I've shot an AK47, and crazy Pete loaded it up with some tracers and armor piercing rounds for kicks and giggles down Kentucky way. 

Do you want to claim what's happened of late- Atlanta, Boulder, and now Indy isn't a problem?  Yeah- there's no easy solution. Especially in regards to FedEx where the FBI knew about the guy- and it still didn't stop a tragedy.  I'm really curious what the Second Amendment crowd has as a solution- if any. Just MHO- the NRA isn't going to be able to stop increased gun regulation this time around. You're outnumbered- and figuratively outgunned too.    

[hoorta]

5 hours ago, hammertime said:

It’s about how they feeeel....

why show real numbers and truthfulness about killing babies.

Yeah Hammer- (some) Republicans are pro-life- until it comes to guns.   

I've said a bunch of times I'm strongly pro-life, have contributed to Elizabeth's New Life center.  Believe me, I sure don't like the abortion on demand stance of Planned Parenthood. 

[Vambo]

53 minutes ago, hoorta said:

You need some new material- like repeating yourself much smarty pants?  It hit 100 degrees in Siberia last year. Sorry kiddo- we have way more precise ways of measuring things on a global scale than we did 100 years ago. 

 

Early 1900s Glacier Bay wasn't even a bay- it was an Ice sheet. I've taken a stroll up the Exit Glacier Trail in Alaska where the glacier has retreated about a mile from where it was in the early 1900s (they have cute little date markers on the trail)..https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/environment/2017/08/04/retreating-exit-glacier-has-become-an-icon-of-climate-change/   Ditto taking a Cessna ride to Denail where the massive Ruth Glacier has retreated miles.  Glacier National Park may not have any true glaciers pretty soon. And if the Ross Ice Shelf in Antarctica breaks up- if you live oceanfront- you had better start thinking about moving to higher ground. 

But do keep on denying reality....  

But do keep on denying reality....  

[TexasAg1969]

31 minutes ago, hoorta said:

 I'm really curious what the Second Amendment crowd has as a solution- if any.    

It's that old saying........................"Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out."😁

[Vambo]

33 minutes ago, hoorta said:

 

Do you want to claim what's happened of late- Atlanta, Boulder, and now Indy isn't a problem?  Yeah- there's no easy solution. Especially in regards to FedEx where the FBI knew about the guy- and it still didn't stop a tragedy.  I'm really curious what the Second Amendment crowd has as a solution- if any. Just MHO- the NRA isn't going to be able to stop increased gun regulation this time around. You're outnumbered- and figuratively outgunned too.    

So making more laws that will get ignored is the answer?

So how will taking guns from law abiding citizens stop criminals from buying illegal guns?

[Vambo]

41 minutes ago, hoorta said:

  I'm really curious what the Second Amendment crowd has as a solution- if any. Just MHO- the NRA isn't going to be able to stop increased gun regulation this time around. You're outnumbered- and figuratively outgunned too.    

Vote Republican most of the shootings happen in Democrat gun free zones...

[calfoxwc]

6 hours ago, hoorta said:

OK, fair enough- should we just do nothing, say "nothing can be done about the mass shootings", and sit around the campfire and sing Kumbaya?  BTW, if what I read in Wiki is correct- there's more guns in circulation in the USA than there is population. Considering a lot of people don't own guns- those who do have them, have to have a lot of them. In that light, the wailing "they're gong to take our guns away" looks pretty ridiculous, and not too damn likely.  The problem is from my POV a few nut job mentally unstable goobers are ruining it for the millions of responsible gun owners. Hey- I've shot an AK47, and crazy Pete loaded it up with some tracers and armor piercing rounds for kicks and giggles down Kentucky way. 

Do you want to claim what's happened of late- Atlanta, Boulder, and now Indy isn't a problem?  Yeah- there's no easy solution. Especially in regards to FedEx where the FBI knew about the guy- and it still didn't stop a tragedy.  I'm really curious what the Second Amendment crowd has as a solution- if any. Just MHO- the NRA isn't going to be able to stop increased gun regulation this time around. You're outnumbered- and figuratively outgunned too.    

 maybe we should put all Americans into straight jackets so no murders can happen? after all, "we have to DO SOMETHING" ?

as in, do something to screw over say, 180 million gun owners, and the murders will still happen once in a while?

Answer: mental health for threats, domestic abuse. And, history. From the Bible. I posted what Phil Robertson said.

Our country is going anti-God, and no amount of draconian oppression from a leftwing dicktatership will resolve it.

  Back in the 40's? organized crime was in most big cities in America. gangland shootings bigtime, famous gangsters etc.

It wasn't political anti-gun laws that stopped it all. It was arrests of the criminals and HARD TIME for a LONG TIME.

right now, the shooter at Parkland, the high school? the shooter was known beforehand. But via obaMao's edict about a program that lessens serious repercussions, the murderer got off again and again and again and again ...

why the hell support laws on maybe 180 million innocent legit American gun owners, when that murderer got off with serious threats etc etc etc ???????????

    Liberal weiner activism kept letting him skate. Go figure.

Read on. There is already all the common sense gun laws we need. No law would have stopped this

sick kid. and the warning signs were many and then some:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/timeline-parkland-shooter-nikolas-cruz/

Red flags: The troubled
path of accused Parkland
shooter Nikolas Cruz

The suspected gunman charged with killing 17 people at a Florida school in February 2018 left a long trail of 911 calls, school suspensions and alleged threats of violence.

By Washington Post staff March 10, 2018

 

In the years leading up to the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, accused gunman Nikolas Cruz accumulated a long list of disciplinary problems and mental health concerns. The teenager was suspended for a fight, transferred to a school for troubled students and reported to law enforcement numerous times. At least three times, people contacted law enforcement to warn that Cruz could carry out a school shooting. Here’s a look at the red flags in the life of Cruz.

 

[calfoxwc]

Fla. shooting suspect had a history of explosive anger, depression, killing animals

FBI’s near-brush with suspect in Florida school shooting draws scrutiny

no laws would have stopped this kid. and to the point about Obamao?

it's true.

Nikolas Cruz avoided police scrutiny with help from Obama ...

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/5/ni...

Mar 06, 2018 · The 19-year-old Cruz was transferred six times in three years, the Miami Herald reported, but never expelled, taken into custody or arrested.

Author: Valerie Richardson

Nikolas Cruz violated Obama's Promise diversion program ...

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/14/...

May 15, 2018 · School officials failed to send Nikolas Cruz to court after he violated Obama-era diversion program. ... based on what the district has released, according to Timothy Sternberg, a …

 

[calfoxwc]

it isn't a matter of more fake "common sense" gun laws.

[Vambo]

8 minutes ago, calfoxwc said:

it isn't a matter of more fake "common sense" gun laws.

Hunter Biden should be charged for lying on his gun application

By Andrew C. McCarthy

March 29, 2021 | 3:42pm | Updated

 

Enlarge Image

 

https://nypost.com/2021/03/29/hunter-biden-should-be-charged-for-lying-on-gun-application/

hoorta should hunter be prosecuted?

 

[hoorta]

48 minutes ago, calfoxwc said:

 maybe we should put all Americans into straight jackets so no murders can happen? after all, "we have to DO SOMETHING" ?

as in, do something to screw over say, 180 million gun owners, and the murders will still happen once in a while?

Answer: mental health for threats, domestic abuse. And, history. From the Bible. I posted what Phil Robertson said.

Our country is going anti-God, and no amount of draconian oppression from a leftwing dicktatership will resolve it.

  Back in the 40's? organized crime was in most big cities in America. gangland shootings bigtime, famous gangsters etc.

It wasn't political anti-gun laws that stopped it all. It was arrests of the criminals and HARD TIME for a LONG TIME.

right now, the shooter at Parkland, the high school? the shooter was known beforehand. But via obaMao's edict about a program that lessens serious repercussions, the murderer got off again and again and again and again ...

why the hell support laws on maybe 180 million innocent legit American gun owners, when that murderer got off with serious threats etc etc etc ???????????

    Liberal weiner activism kept letting him skate. Go figure.

Read on. There is already all the common sense gun laws we need. No law would have stopped this

sick kid. and the warning signs were many and then some:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/timeline-parkland-shooter-nikolas-cruz/

Red flags: The troubled
path of accused Parkland
shooter Nikolas Cruz

The suspected gunman charged with killing 17 people at a Florida school in February 2018 left a long trail of 911 calls, school suspensions and alleged threats of violence.

By Washington Post staff March 10, 2018

 

In the years leading up to the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, accused gunman Nikolas Cruz accumulated a long list of disciplinary problems and mental health concerns. The teenager was suspended for a fight, transferred to a school for troubled students and reported to law enforcement numerous times. At least three times, people contacted law enforcement to warn that Cruz could carry out a school shooting. Here’s a look at the red flags in the life of Cruz.

 

Got it- everything in regards to guns is just hunky-dory.