Tale of the Tape - Browns @ Chargers

[Orion]

….........	Rush / G		Pass / G		Sack	Run D / G		Pass D / G		Sack	Give/Take
Browns	177	1st	234	26th	26th	67	3rd	184	3rd	2nd	-1
Chargers	108	16th	295	8th	6th	140	29th	193	5th	13th	+3

 

And so  we have the #1 rushing team against the #29 rush defense.  With our pass offense being suspect, with a somewhat injured Baker, we'll need to be able to live up to those run stats.  We'll want to shorten the game with long drives and try to keep the Chargers pass offense off the field.

Our D stats are still skewed by the Bears game, but there's no denying that the D has played well over the past 2 games.  The Chargers are pretty well balanced on offense.  We'll need another good game from the D.

This is a game with playoff implications.  The Chargers might be in the mix for a wild card spot.  And so could we.  It would be awfully nice if we had the head to head tie breaker in our pocket.  

 

[ATOM]

looks like hudson may start at  LT so like last week will will run to the right and baker had better get the ball out of his hand quickly cause i can see bosa destroying hudson

 

side note : anyone here a thing about landry returning ?

[Ibleedbrown]

40 minutes ago, ATOM said:

looks like hudson may start at  LT so like last week will will run to the right and baker had better get the ball out of his hand quickly cause i can see bosa destroying hudson

 

side note : anyone here a thing about landry returning ?

Eek on Hudson.

Landry has to sit out 1 more game. This will be his 3rd on IR. He could return for the next one.

[ATOM]

7 minutes ago, Ibleedbrown said:

Eek on Hudson.

Landry has to sit out 1 more game. This will be his 3rd on IR. He could return for the next one.

but will he be able to return ? and if so at 100 pct ?

[Orion]

2 hours ago, ATOM said:

looks like hudson may start at  LT

Huh boy.  Did we ever hear what Wills' mri showed?

[gumby73]

Man! 🤓  This weeks panic reads fall under the same reads of last season when we traveled to Dallas & Tennessee... What happened? Baker & tBrowns WON 

here we go again, as we try to dust off our winning magic potion bottle 🍾 again...  

2020

No.	Player	Age	Pos	G	GS	Cmp	Att	Yds	Sk	PktTime	Bltz	Hrry	Hits	Prss	Prss%	Scrm	Yds/Scr
10	Justin Herbert	22	QB	15	15	396	595	4336	32	2.4	170	85	70	187	28.7%	25	5.6

2021

				Games		Passing
No.	Player	Age	Pos	G	GS	Cmp	Att	Yds	Sk	PktTime	Bltz	Hrry	Hits	Prss	Prss%	Scrm	Yds/Scr
10	Justin Herbert	23	qb	4	4	113	164	1178	7	2.3	44	12	19	38	21.6%	5	5.8

Herbert's formula ain't changed from last season... G.G.I.H.F.    Go Get In His Face !

here's the Chargers O-line pass pro vs. Raiders.. 

Player	Pass-Blocking Snaps	Pressures Allowed
Rashawn Slater (LT)	40	1
Matt Feiler (LG)	41	5*
Corey Linsey (C)	41	2*    (he's not Pouncey)
Oday Aboushi (RG)	41	0
Storm Norton (RT)	41	6*

  the same OL weakness trend has been showing up in 4 games for the LAC...

I found something odd, watching Raiders at LAC... The Raiders Maxx Crosby lined up at the start of game across from LT Rashawn Slater.. Within like, 6 starting snaps Crosby played against RT Storm Norton & never returned to matchup with Slater again...   

Like most browns gameplans reads this week..

The Browns should run the double headed monster playbook & reduce Herbert's offense from seeing the field at our time of possession.. Scoring twice early, will always tend to force a offensive panic. Can't wait to see the amount of browns fans in their House! I'd go right after attacking LG & RT in pass pro and exploit this weakness.. with Hands up in Herbert's passing windows too..tips happen to Herbert and he's been lucky that they've hit the ground so far..Replacement Center Corey Linsey, is a Malek walk back waiting to happen too..👀

Bosa vs. Leatherwood (now practicing at Guard this week)..

Player	Pass-Rushing Snaps	Total Pressures	Pass Rush Win %
Joey Bosa	31	7	29%

I can't see Joey, with any plant the flag acts? well maybe? if game calls for a defensive mo' change'rrrr 

 

Maxx Crosby (is having a great season) vs RT Norton

Player	Pass-Rushing Snaps	Total Pressures	Pass Rush Win %
Maxx Crosby	32	5	21.9%

 

No!, were not the Raiders of defense .. no, Were a Better defense! I'm just targeting the holes in the cheese.. that may give us the good start we just may need...

We also carry 3 Large TE's on this roster... this is the week to get back to exploiting them...

The Browns will win this game holding the under game total of 47... 

[Orion]

1 hour ago, gumby73 said:

The Browns should run the double headed monster playbook & reduce Herbert's offense from seeing the field

...and that's how I see it.  The issue is, crowding the LOS.  I think that early in the game you've got to, kind of, establish that you CAN pass.....just to keep everybody honest.

I like that our double headed monster(s) are not on the field at the same time.  While Chubb is working, Hunt is resting.  Then Hunt comes in and Chubb rests.  They're both really good...and they're both fresh-legs...all game long.

[hx214]

Probably see a lot of 3 TE package off the bat. Give the rookie some help against that Bosa monster.

 

[ballpeen]

On 10/7/2021 at 11:24 PM, Orion said:

….........	Rush / G		Pass / G		Sack	Run D / G		Pass D / G		Sack	Give/Take
Browns	177	1st	234	26th	26th	67	3rd	184	3rd	2nd	-1
Chargers	108	16th	295	8th	6th	140	29th	193	5th	13th	+3

 

And so  we have the #1 rushing team against the #29 rush defense.  With our pass offense being suspect, with a somewhat injured Baker, we'll need to be able to live up to those run stats.  We'll want to shorten the game with long drives and try to keep the Chargers pass offense off the field.

Our D stats are still skewed by the Bears game, but there's no denying that the D has played well over the past 2 games.  The Chargers are pretty well balanced on offense.  We'll need another good game from the D.

This is a game with playoff implications.  The Chargers might be in the mix for a wild card spot.  And so could we.  It would be awfully nice if we had the head to head tie breaker in our pocket.  

 

I agree, but for a D, it is much easier to shut down a run game than it is to shut down a passing game, so if the Chargers decided to shut down the run, they can do so.  If i really though the opposing QB was gimped, I'd run a bear defense and just swamp the LOS and smother the runner or then just swamp the QB with pressure and at minimum hit him on nearly every play.  Just tell the defensive players to play like a bunch of pissed off fire ants.

Some of you northern friends might not know what I am talking about, and that is a good thing, but if you have ever stepped on a fire ant sand hill, you know exactly what I am talking about.  It's not a good thing.

[jiggins7919]

On 10/7/2021 at 11:24 PM, Orion said:

This is a game with playoff implications.  The Chargers might be in the mix for a wild card spot.  And so could we.  It would be awfully nice if we had the head to head tie breaker in our pocket.  

Might be in the mix? They might win it all. They are very good with few weaknesses. Their rush defense hasn't really been that much of a factor. 

[SdBacker80]

Boy if there was a game that Baker would be amped up for - this is it.  After Last weeks performance and taking on All World Justin Herbert (stock has never been higher.  He’s a good one no doubt.)  he Looks vulnerable like most QBs with Defensive Lineman in his face. 

I’d love to see a W.  Lots of arrogance from the Charger fans.  We will see if their run defense is fixed like they say it is.  Apparently we haven’t played anybody or proven anything. They expect to outnumber Browns fan by a large margin.  Last game out here against the Browns it was 50/50 at Qualcomm.  

[Orion]

14 hours ago, ballpeen said:

I agree, but for a D, it is much easier to shut down a run game than it is to shut down a passing game,

...and, I agree.  That's why I think that early on, we have to show that we can indeed pass the ball.  Get those safeties out of the box.   

[hoorta]

On 10/8/2021 at 5:28 PM, Zombo said:

He didn't get one.

Gonna rub some dirt on it and give it another go.

Z

Wills is officially OUT. Probably need to keep some help on the left side in pass pro if they decide to put Bosa over there.

[ballpeen]

4 hours ago, hoorta said:

Wills is officially OUT. Probably need to keep some help on the left side in pass pro if they decide to put Bosa over there.

We were probably going to do that anyway.  I see a lot of two TE sets with a late TE release.  Look for the TE's to have a busy day in the passing game.  Hooper might get 12 targets.

[Ibleedbrown]

5 hours ago, hoorta said:

Wills is officially OUT. Probably need to keep some help on the left side in pass pro if they decide to put Bosa over there.

When l rewatched the Vikings game l tried to keep an eye on if there was an attempt to help out Hudson on the edge, and a fair amount of time there was. I noted some TE help, or the RB would shade his way if staying in to protect. I even recall one play where Teller pulled and went his way and effectively blocked the edge for that one play. 

But l do recall one play they left him alone on the island and he didn’t fare so well. Speed rushers are going to be an issue for Hudson until he can figure out when and how to engage them. 

Edit: A gimpy Wills was having issues with speed rushers too, so l’m not sure this is as monumental a change as we think. We might actually come out ahead in some regards as Hudson looked ok on running plays. 

[jiggins7919]

11 minutes ago, Ibleedbrown said:

Edit: A gimpy Wills was having issues with speed rushers too, so l’m not sure this is as monumental a change as we think. We might actually come out ahead in some regards as Hudson looked ok on running plays. 

It's a fair point. As much as I'm worried about the tangible impact of his loss, I'm also concerned about the mental effect it generates. When Baker doesn't trust his protection he doesn't process information as well. He misses people, even when they're in front of him. He rushes and presses and we don't want that. 

So many people keep talking about how the Bolts can't stop the run and we're simply going to run it down their throat. I don't see that happening, not right away. When a team spends all week focusing on stopping something, they're going to be ready, and they're going to be ready because they don't believe Baker can beat them. Bolts will have 8 even 9 in the box at times and will basically tell Stefanski to let it rip down field and we're not changing until he hits a few and makes us pay. 

We're going to run the ball, but I'd be very surprised if we didn't have to loosen things up with the pass first. We'll see that TE screen several times, swings to the RBs, Hunt screen, Felton draw play, and then don't shocked if we run it on 3rd and 6-7 a few times. 

[gumby73]

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What if I told you both of these plays resulted in penalties against the #Browns ? @NFL refs are a joke.

I understand missing a call, but calling a penalty on the wrong team is unacceptable.

 

 

    

 

[Orion]

51 minutes ago, gumby73 said:

What if I told you both of these plays resulted in penalties against the #Browns

...but what would Bosa say?

[gumby73]

26 minutes ago, Orion said:

...but what would Bosa say?

 Oh, he paid too   https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/10/09/joey-bosa-fined-28917-for-unsportsmanlike-conduct-toward-officials/

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