Zombo Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 I'm sure you old- timers remember Kathy "Mom" Hutchins, she was a huge part of the Browns Board until she sadly passed of cancer, the Fantasy Baseball League was named in her honor. That was her daughter-in-law that Alex Baldwin accidentally shot and killed. Married to Kathy's son Matt. I had spoken to her when the Browns Board honored Kathy, real nice girl. Matt had attended a tailgate or two with Kathy, who was instrumental in setting up the first tailgate and launching the Browns Board. Please keep Matt and his son in your prayers, what a shocking and sudden way to lose a beautiful wife and mother. Z 1 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 Heartbreak. Sorry to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 Wow...small world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATOM Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 if it wasnt already sad enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 Wow that was such a sad and probably totally unnecessary accident. It is indeed a small world 🌍 that we all live on together. May she rest in peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 Horrible, horrible, senseless tragedy. Live ammo being anywhere near a gun on set is truly indefensible. Also, some clarity on events: 1) At least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to a production manager about gun safety. 2) Baldwin’s stunt double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was “cold” — lingo for a weapon that doesn’t have any ammunition, including blanks. 3) No investigations into what happened at either of the above two. No safety meetings. No assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All the production team wanted to do was rush. 4) Kathy had been advocating for safer conditions for her team and was tearful when the camera crew left. Daily Mail's article includes the possibility that the weapon was being used for target practice. The point I'm making by getting into the details is that this really should not be seen as a "shrug, things happen, life has risk" moment.. Basic, known, routine firearms safety precautions do exist [were created after the Brandon Lee incident] but were intentionally ignored on this set.. all to save the money it would cost to spend more time on crew safety. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 Truly tragic. MIKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 7 hours ago, Zombo said: I'm sure you old- timers remember Kathy "Mom" Hutchins, she was a huge part of the Browns Board until she sadly passed of cancer, the Fantasy Baseball League was named in her honor. That was her daughter-in-law that Alex Baldwin accidentally shot and killed. Married to Kathy's son Matt. I had spoken to her when the Browns Board honored Kathy, real nice girl. Matt had attended a tailgate or two with Kathy, who was instrumental in setting up the first tailgate and launching the Browns Board. Please keep Matt and his kids in your prayers, what a shocking and sudden way to lose a beautiful wife and mother. Z As others have said, small world, and truly tragic. I know it was a movie, but just saw over on AOL- that gun had live rounds chambered. Inexcusable, and totally unacceptable. The prop master is in a world of trouble, but that won't bring her back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 God Bless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 So sorry to hear of the loss.. My prayers are with them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted October 23, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 3 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: Baldwin should be in a world of trouble also. Why? Yes, he's a douchebag, but there is a person on set that is in charge of weapons, they declare them safe, they give them to the assistant director, who announces them as safe before giving them to the actor. Absolutely not the actor's fault. Z 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 3 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: Baldwin should be in a world of trouble also. Not so sure about that- if the prop master says it's blanks? I do agree there's going to be at least a dozen folks scarred for life about this...Including Baldwin having to realize he accidentally killed someone. One of my co workers took out a guy years ago in her car when he walked right in front of her getting his mail... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Zombo said: but there is a person on set that is in charge of weapons, they declare them safe, they give them to the assistant director, who announces them as safe before giving them to the actor As an actor, Alec Baldwin trusted the armorer like you're supposed to. As an executive producer, Alec Baldwin is on the hook for hiring decisions which led to this. He acted out his Jack Donaghy character from 30 Rock. Baldwin is responsible for refusing to stop after the multiple instances of "near-miss" lack of gun safety prior to this.. see my previous post. Here is a twitter thread detailing what should have been done - from an actually safe movie armorer. Baldwin's desire to squeeze cash by not either (1) spending time to train staff on appropriate safety before set days with any potentially dangerous situations or (2) stopping production until safety was installed AFTER multiple instances had been documented are the cause of this. The part of the crew who were IATSE walked off due to the safety concerns under 6 hours before this occurred. Baldwin the producer ignored the safety concerns and kept the set going with scabs. Under a week ago a gun the same armorer had declared "cold"... fired 2 live rounds. That should have led someone to ask the question "What if one person signing off isn't enough" -- among others such as "Why does nobody verify that a gun is clear on this set?" And that culture [the approval, implementation, & sustainment of multiple processes that exist to ensure worker safety] is the responsibility of Baldwin. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: He pulled the trigger. He killed her. He should ensure it was safe to do so. Learn firearms safety. He deserves jail time. That's harsh. Yeah, I'm 100% aware of firearm saftey. Are you certain even if Baldwin had checked the gun, after the prop master said it was safe, would he have been able to tell the difference between a live round and a blank? He may, as others are opining- be responsible for lack of oversight, but sorry, the ultimate responsibility lies with whoever handed him a loaded gun. Sheeze, with todays action adventure movies, I'm surprised more people aren't killed with stuff blowing up every 5 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 14 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: He pulled the trigger. He killed her. He should ensure it was safe to do so. Learn firearms safety. He deserves jail time. Not to mention he mocked Trump, your boy, mercilessly accurately. Prop gun? Safety staff on all movie shoots.... but yeah... whatever HOMIE! Way to stay in the spirit of the thread... Fuck you. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 These 3 things can be true simultaneously... - It's a tragedy where a life has been lost and other lives forever changed. Yes, that includes Baldwin himself. Very few people are sick enough to pull the trigger and not feel anything. - Safety clearly sounds like an issue and I was a kid when the Brandon Lee thing happened, too young to understand. it's sad that this tragedy could have been prevented. Which leads me to my next point... - While there won't be criminal liability, there will absolutely be some civil liabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 Three things? Homie can barely follow one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 Multiple people in this thread have attempted to blame only one person.. "the armorer". The thing each of you are missing is.. IF that was the case, that one person SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED THE WEEK BEFORE. A different gun that same armorer said was cold fired not one but TWO live bullets.. luckily nobody got hurt in that incident but that's gameover on an actual safety-first set. Who precisely is responsible for NOT firing the armorer.. at the time of event #1? [and that two-live-bullet incident was NOT event #1] The boss: Alec Baldwin. And why did Baldwin not fire the armorer one week before this incident? Because he..... was OK with a set that wasn't concerned about worker safety. Yes, the armorer was incompetent.. but once it's documented the armorer is incompetent AND YET IS NOT FIRED.. now the responsibility is on the person who doesn't take action to install a responsible armorer. There is no excuse -- Yes, it would have taken longer to find a replacement.. Yes, that replacement would have shut down the set as a condition of employment to change processes 100%. What's the correct response? Suck it up, buttercup -- the set is unsafe and that needs to change immediately. As in every industry, bosses do not care one iota about worker safety --> Worker safety and worker pay are the two reasons people form unions, and this set was terrible at both, as described in more detail in my links above. That's why the portion of the crew that was IATSE walked off the set 6 hours before this incident. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, Unsympathetic said: As in every industry, bosses do not care one iota about worker safety --> Sadly true or very close to it (I might allow for one iota).. but they are very concerned about their liabilty after the fact. That said.... the continued debate is really not in the spirit of the thread, so I'm out. My sympathies to any and all feeling a loss here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 45 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: That said.... the continued debate is really not in the spirit of the thread, so I'm out Me too. The reason I have been going hard is that looking for "one person" is too simplistic because it misconstrues the situation to the benefit of the people who are in fact responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Unsympathetic said: ....because it misconstrues the situation to the benefit of the people who are in fact responsible. Well reasoned as usual, Unsym... All too aware of organizational reality distortions that form in pursuit of the Almighty $$$ and lead to organiational behaviors ranging from merely poor to criminal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 Small world indeed. Very tragic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 Baldwin the actor isn't responsible. Baldwin the producer is responsible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 3 hours ago, ballpeen said: Baldwin the actor isn't responsible. Baldwin the producer is responsible. Yep. The producer ran an unsafe ship - cutting corners .... and the crew was shooting that same gun with live ammo off set. So tragic. Would have been easily prevented by safe practices. He knew, surely. It would be pretty easy to hear the shots the crew was firing.......that makes it even more heartbreaking. Report Alec Baldwin Gun Was Used for Target Practice With ... https://www.independentsentinel.com › report-alec-baldwin-gun-was-used-for-target-practice-with-live-ammo Report Alec Baldwin Gun Was Used for Target Practice With Live Ammo. By. M. Dowling. -. October 24, 2021. 0. The gun Alec Baldwin used to kill a woman was also being fired recreationally, even when cameras weren't rolling, according to several sources. Multiple sources directly connected to the 'Rust' production tell TMZ … the same gun ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 And again there goes the spirit of the thread courtesy of the most self-centrred ass collection on this board... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 On 10/23/2021 at 4:28 PM, hoorta said: As others have said, small world, and truly tragic. I know it was a movie, but just saw over on AOL- that gun had live rounds chambered. Inexcusable, and totally unacceptable. The prop master is in a world of trouble, but that won't bring her back. 3 hours ago, Tour2ma said: And again there goes the spirit of the thread courtesy of the most self-centrred ass collection on this board... yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 15 hours ago, Tour2ma said: And again there goes the spirit of the thread courtesy of the most self-centrred ass collection on this board... ?? What are you talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 9 hours ago, ballpeen said: ?? What are you talking about who knows. But it takes away from the intent of the thread. it's just so tragic, devastating for the families involved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 2 hours ago, calfoxwc said: who knows. But it takes away from the intent of the thread. it's just so tragic, devastating for the families involved. Mock accepted. 2nd sentiment shared. Any comment on the fundraising off it now? Ordered your XXXL yet? See, Homie, that's why I reacted to begin with. No room for decency in MAGA-ville. As for the rest and especially the PM exchanges, I apologize. I went way over the line. No reason to go as low as I did. No excuses. That said.... not going to waste time in the Polyland.circke jerk.But will also call out any and all signs of it invading our football space. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 On 10/23/2021 at 8:51 AM, Zombo said: Please keep Matt and his son in your prayers, what a shocking and sudden way to lose a beautiful wife and mother. Z So sorry for the family 🙏 one tragic life lost here, is the real story God Bless her family and Matt & Son 💔 😥 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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