Orion Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 First, to all of you who called fans who hoped we'd lose our final games once we're eliminated from the playoffs, Not True Fans.....FU. Obviously it's a strategy in front offices. Now, how do ya fix it so teams won't try to make themselves lousy so they can draft towards the top of the order? You can't just eliminate the draft because all of the good players will want to play in glamorous locations. Do you just come up with a draft order for year one....and whichever team drafts #1 will next year draft dead last and have to wait 3 decades before they rotate back up to #1 again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusty Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 I hate that too. Here's a suggestion. The teams that don't make the playoffs are in a drawing for the first 18 draft picks. The remaining 14 are based on how they did in the playoffs with the super bowl winner picking 32nd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 A lottery like the NBA for the bottom X teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 There's still the potential for gaming the system a la the frozen ball the year the Knicks had the top pick so they could get Ewing on a team the NBA thought was desirable.. As well, I'd find it hard to discern between a team that had collectively given up / coach lost the locker room bc he was Hue Jackson vs a team that was "tanking from the top" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted February 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 hour ago, dusty said: The teams that don't make the playoffs are in a drawing for the first 18 draft picks. The remaining 14 are based on how they did in the playoffs with the super bowl winner picking 32nd. Perfect! Ratify that! (perhaps the worst 9 get an extra name in the hat...but perhaps not) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 It will never get fixed because certain teams are a bigger draw than others. It's always about $$$$ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 9 hours ago, dusty said: I hate that too. Here's a suggestion. The teams that don't make the playoffs are in a drawing for the first 18 draft picks. The remaining 14 are based on how they did in the playoffs with the super bowl winner picking 32nd. That is what the NBA does and it hasn’t stopped tanking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 9 hours ago, MLD Woody said: A lottery like the NBA for the bottom X teams. It hasn’t stopped tanking in the NBA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 Change human nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted February 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Browns149 said: That is what the NBA does and it hasn’t stopped tanking The NBA has only 8 teams in that lottery (as I recall. I no longer follow the NBA). dusty's suggestion puts 18 teams in that mix. That is a huge difference. You have the same odds of picking 18th as you do 1st. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 Tanking isn't an issue that matters in the NFL. The Bengals went from the worst team in the NFL to the Super Bowl in two years. Football and the NFL is very unique in how many teams ebb and flow from playoffs to bad it really doesn't create long-term 'tank' culture. For example, this year there were 7 teams in the playoffs that were not last year. The teams that drafted 3rd and 5th (I know the 49ers traded up) were in the NFC and AFC championship games. There's so much parity year to year I don't see it remotely as a problem in the NFL. Don't forget, what the Browns did in 2016 and 2017 was so unique the NFL investigated it and found no wrong doing. That plan was an exception to the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Orion said: The NBA has only 8 teams in that lottery (as I recall. I no longer follow the NBA). dusty's suggestion puts 18 teams in that mix. That is a huge difference. You have the same odds of picking 18th as you do 1st. There are 14 teams in the NBA lottery. And it is a weighted system. The worst 4 teams have the same odds of getting the 1st pick And teams still tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted February 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 9 hours ago, Browns149 said: There are 14 teams in the NBA lottery. And it is a weighted system. The worst 4 teams have the same odds of getting the 1st pick And teams still tank Thanks! 14 teams in the nba (like I said, I gave up on bball - Knicks fan...Walt Frazier is who I modeled my game after. I was quite good at bball) ...anywho, so you've got to do away with the weighting. All incentive to finish with the worst record must be removed. If you miss the playoffs, you're all equal. And it's because yaz just don't wanna play nice. - I used to tell my crew when a silly company policy would be brought up, "Counter to popular opinion, they don't stay up late at nights trying to think of stupid rules to put in place. Stupid rules are in place because people did stupid things." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvoethe Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 Relegation...just like soccer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 On 2/3/2022 at 6:15 PM, Orion said: First, to all of you who called fans who hoped we'd lose our final games once we're eliminated from the playoffs, Not True Fans.....FU. Obviously it's a strategy in front offices. Now, how do ya fix it so teams won't try to make themselves lousy so they can draft towards the top of the order? You can't just eliminate the draft because all of the good players will want to play in glamorous locations. Do you just come up with a draft order for year one....and whichever team drafts #1 will next year draft dead last and have to wait 3 decades before they rotate back up to #1 again? The NBA went to a draft lottery to combat tanking. I would suspect the NFL might do the same. It's hard to prove out and out tanking, so a lottery makes sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AP1 Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 Morality cannot be legislated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted February 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 19 minutes ago, AP1 said: Morality cannot be legislated. IMO, morality is why you must legislate. (if heinous of enough) This is a loophole that has to be closed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvoethe Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 Hit em the pocket books....produce a winner or you lose your ownership. Pirates of MLB need that. Another thought...your share of the tv money is based on where your team finishes or maybe you dont get your merch cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 14 hours ago, AP1 said: Morality cannot be legislated. True, but lack of can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 On 2/4/2022 at 7:26 PM, Kvoethe said: Relegation...just like soccer. Interesting concept. IMO the problem would be having enough quality teams in the 'lower league" to move up. I suppose in some ways the NFL already has that with playoffs teams and non-playoff teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvoethe Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 10 hours ago, ballpeen said: Interesting concept. IMO the problem would be having enough quality teams in the 'lower league" to move up. I suppose in some ways the NFL already has that with playoffs teams and non-playoff teams. Relegate the owners lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted February 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2022 Let's use this season as an example. We were eliminated from the playoffs with the Steelers & Bengals left to play. Now, there's no way that a die-hard Browns fan (of which we on message boards are) wants to entertain the thought of losing to either of those rivals. However, that same Browns fan knows that winning those two games do not help our draft position, which could make our team better in the long run. And you know the GM (Berry) was privately hoping the team would lose the games and move him up that draft board. So, theoretically, we could've tanked the last couple of games to improve our draft spot. But if dusty's suggestion is adopted then there is never an advantage in tanking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted February 7, 2022 Report Share Posted February 7, 2022 13 hours ago, Kvoethe said: Relegate the owners lol. Maybe...in the end, there is probably a pretty small list of people who could buy a team. In the end, by and large I don't think owners really make that much of a difference in the overall scope of things. That doesn't mean there aren't good owners and "bad" owners. In the end, I don't see the "bad" owners hiring a head football coach from their high school to head up the team. To me it comes down to "culture", but IMO that is hard to measure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted February 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2022 57 minutes ago, ballpeen said: by and large I don't think owners really make that much of a difference But they can have an impact. Let's take our owner, he constantly hired the wrong people. And he meddled into the football people's jobs. Our owner and his hiring of lousy people kept us down for almost all of this century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsfaninPa Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 If a team owner or any member of a NFL team suggests losing games on purpose (tanking) should be fired. If a team feels they need to lose more games to get a better draft pick for the following season is just plain stupid. There is no absolute sure bet that a draft pick at any position is going to change your team . There have been very highly rookie players with star status and what happens, he flops. The team is stuck with a hefty contract due to the player, and he aint earned it. So im thinking if a team tanks on purpose, then your a loser from top to bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 14 minutes ago, BrownsfaninPa said: The team is stuck with a hefty contract due to the player, and he aint earned it. Since the advent of the rookie pay tier system, that hasn't been an issue. That was 2011... you're literally over a decade behind when discussing rookie deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted February 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 6 hours ago, tiamat63 said: Since the advent of the rookie pay tier system, that hasn't been an issue. Sam Bradford was the last guy to get a whopper contract right out of college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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