WR

[Orion]

My late May 2022 guessing.

Donovan Peoples-Jones............Anthony Schwartz..............x.....x.....x......x.....x................David Bell..............Amari  Cooper

........Isaiah Weston.............................................................................................................Michael Woods II...............................

......................................and the Cheerio floating in the milk....Demetric Felton Jr....................................................................

 

 

[nickers]

1 hour ago, Orion said:

My late May 2022 guessing.

Donovan Peoples-Jones............Anthony Schwartz..............x.....x.....x......x.....x................David Bell..............Amari  Cooper

........Isaiah Weston.............................................................................................................Michael Woods II...............................

......................................and the Cheerio floating in the milk....Demetric Felton Jr....................................................................

 

 

Don't forget Jakeem Grant...

[Orion]

Probably gonna need somebody from the WR group to be returning the kicks and/or punts.

[gumby73]

Coop

DPJ

Bell

Schwartz

Grant (pro bowl return specialist)

Camp battle of who beats out Ja'Marcus Bradley...(to become inactive 🙃) Weston, Wims, Woods II or Harley

Stay away from the hammy wraps 🤕 & were good

[SdBacker80]

Might be an unpopular opinion but Schwartz could be a PS guy if he doesn’t step it up in Year 2 during camp.  Maybe the first off the PS should the obvious happen hammy or COVID with a starter. 
 

I think Will Fuller is in a play too and he’s good for 8 games 

[mjp28]

12 hours ago, Orion said:

Probably gonna need somebody from the WR group to be returning the kicks and/or punts.

Yeah someone good but not too good to join " the kamikaze squad " that can give you good field positions  -but- risk the hits you can take on kickoffs and punts.

Part of the reason they have changed the rules to try to prevent some nasty collisions. Concussions and  CTE are very real.

Candidates ?  Quite often a rookie or lower draft pick trying to make the 53 or taxi squad.  Put it this way guys will do it if it means making the team. 

[Dutch Oven]

Really, really need Donovan Peoples-Jones to step up this season, because that is still a pretty uninspiring depth chart beyond Cooper. 

[Orion]

1 hour ago, mjp28 said:

risk the hits you can take on kickoffs and punts.

For me, on kickoffs, whenever you can take a knee in the end zone, just do that and we'll go to the 25.  Too many penalties happen on returns.

[SdBacker80]

21 hours ago, Orion said:

For me, on kickoffs, whenever you can take a knee in the end zone, just do that and we'll go to the 25.  Too many penalties happen on returns.

Agree with you on that.  

It is the punt returns where he can flip the field.  He secures the ball well and has had a great punt return average as well. 

He has the best short area quickness and wiggle of any of the WRs on the roster…by far actually.  So I fully expect him to get touches there- short passing game. 

[Orion]

8 hours ago, SdBacker80 said:

It is the punt returns where he can flip the field.

That would be gravy.  For me, I just want a guy that can catch punts really well and is smart.  Someone who knows when he should and should not field the ball.  JoJo Natson was that type of guy.  He knew the rules that pertained to that part of the game, and when to apply them.  He was always hurt for us, but when he played I thought of him as a professional at his position of return specialist.  

[ballpeen]

Grant is the punt returner.  Who cares about kickoffs?  Anybody can stand back there and watch it go out of the endzone. D'Ernest would be fine as a kick returner.  Hunt or Chubb would do well.

 

Why teams have gone to just playing scrubs on ST I don't know.  You want them to be special, mix in some starters.  I remember guys like Matthews and Turner on ST all the time.

 

[mjp28]

On 5/29/2022 at 7:29 AM, gumby73 said:

Coop.....NO unless the game is on the line then a HC decision 

DPJ......probably NO same as above. 

Bell.....maybe.

Schwartz.....could be a choice.

Grant (pro bowl return specialist).....also a candidate. 

Camp battle of who beats out Ja'Marcus Bradley...(to become inactive 🙃) Weston, Wims, Woods II or Harley......a plan ?!

Stay away from the hammy wraps 🤕 & were good

It will be interesting to see who gets the touches in camp, preseason and the regular season games.  Somebody has to field punts and be back there on kickoffs.

It brings some more interest in the kicking game besides who is doing the kicking.   The hidden yardage part of the game. 

GO BROWNS  !

[mjp28]

4 hours ago, ballpeen said:

Grant is the punt returner.  Who cares about kickoffs?  Anybody can stand back there and watch it go out of the endzone. D'Ernest would be fine as a kick returner.  Hunt or Chubb would do well.

 

Why teams have gone to just playing scrubs on ST I don't know.  You want them to be special, mix in some starters.  I remember guys like Matthews and Turner on ST all the time.

 

I remember when Lou Holtz at Notre Dame (way back when) often used starters to do punts and kickoff returns.   I guess it depends on how much you rate the kicking game.   Nice if they could do a TD out of it like Eric Metcalf versus the steelrz.       

[ballpeen]

1 hour ago, mjp28 said:

I remember when Lou Holtz at Notre Dame (way back when) often used starters to do punts and kickoff returns.   I guess it depends on how much you rate the kicking game.   Nice if they could do a TD out of it like Eric Metcalf versus the steelrz.       

It would be nice.  I'd take a average of 10-15 yards on punt returns.

[Orion]

On 5/29/2022 at 7:29 AM, gumby73 said:

Grant (pro bowl return specialist)

 

On 5/28/2022 at 11:57 PM, nickers said:

Don't forget Jakeem Grant...

He's on our roster.  But who does he unseat?  Woods?  The guy they drafted in Rd 6 this year.  Or Felton?  The guy they drafted in Rd 6 last year.  Please not Weston who is 9 inches taller than Grant.  

I always thought that the Felton pick was to be our returner, pass catching back, slot receiver type player.  I mean, he's the reason JoJo Natson was let go.  Felton though, did not appear to exude confidence while tracking a punt.

[gumby73]

1 hour ago, Orion said:

 I always thought that the Felton pick was to be our returner, pass catching back, slot receiver type player.(he was found to slow, getting up to his top speed)   I mean, he's the reason JoJo Natson was let go.  Felton though, did not appear to exude confidence while tracking a punt.

.Felton may only see his next seat on this teams PS...😯

please use youtube to watch this..

Grant it..

he don't like making fair catches (caused a bench clearing at Bengals, getting popped to early to catch a punt)

he will drive fans nutz bringing the ball out of the endzone on kickoffs

he is scared of no one, running crossing routes/slants over the middle

he's a pesky little speed gnat, that's going to make this team

 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GranJa00.htm  

 

[SdBacker80]

10 minutes ago, gumby73 said:

.Felton may only see his next seat on this teams PS...😯

please use youtube to watch this..

Grant it..

he don't like making fair catches (caused a bench clearing at Bengals, getting popped to early to catch a punt)

he will drive fans nutz bringing the ball out of the endzone on kickoffs

he is scared of no one, running crossing routes/slants over the middle

he's a pesky little speed gnat, that's going to make this team

 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GranJa00.htm  

 

first good hands. 

Great vision…makes a cut…doesn’t dance…and then uses his elite speed.  I don’t see a negative yardage guy in the return game, certainly confirmed by his punt return avg. too
 

He’s a great tool in the tool box. We got vertical threats and route runners I don’t think he’s that, but we need wiggle and a special teams guy. Check and check.  

[nickers]

12 hours ago, Orion said:

 

He's on our roster.  But who does he unseat?  Woods?  The guy they drafted in Rd 6 this year.  Or Felton?  The guy they drafted in Rd 6 last year.  Please not Weston who is 9 inches taller than Grant.  

I always thought that the Felton pick was to be our returner, pass catching back, slot receiver type player.  I mean, he's the reason JoJo Natson was let go.  Felton though, did not appear to exude confidence while tracking a punt.

Woods maybe winds up on the taxi squad..

[Zombo]

6 hours ago, nickers said:

Woods maybe winds up on the taxi squad..

Is this 1973?

Z

[nickers]

1 hour ago, Zombo said:

Is this 1973?

Z

Taxi squad=practice squad... Tell me the difference... Yeah.... That's what I thought! 😛

[Orion]

2 hours ago, nickers said:

Taxi squad=practice squad... Tell me the difference...

It's the Uber Squad now.  

The last 2 drafts have produced 4 wr's.  (and Felton)  And undrafted Weston looks good getting off the bus.  That's a lotta utes.  The non utes would be Cooper 8yrs and Grant 7 yrs.   So, if we don't keep Grant we'd have 1 seasoned vet.  

[ballpeen]

On 5/31/2022 at 9:28 PM, Orion said:

 

He's on our roster.  But who does he unseat?  Woods?  The guy they drafted in Rd 6 this year.  Or Felton?  The guy they drafted in Rd 6 last year.  Please not Weston who is 9 inches taller than Grant.  

I always thought that the Felton pick was to be our returner, pass catching back, slot receiver type player.  I mean, he's the reason JoJo Natson was let go.  Felton though, did not appear to exude confidence while tracking a punt.

I think Felton might have a hard time making the team.

 

He largely failed as a returner.  As a back he won't make the team unless we move somebody.  I did read he was working exclusively at receiver yesterday...but some guys were out ...The days of lower round draft picks being pretty much a lock to make the roster for a few years are over.  I am sure that if he doesn't make the final cuts we would put him on the practice squad if we can.  But, this is early.  Things can change once we start hitting real camp and start to play the exhibitions.  

To expand on running back, i just don't see any way he makes it in that room with Chubb, Hunt, Johnson, and Ford in there. None of those guys are going to get cut, so unless we trade one, Felton is in for a tough go.

[SdBacker80]

53 minutes ago, ballpeen said:

I think Felton might have a hard time making the team.

 

He largely failed as a returner.  As a back he won't make the team unless we move somebody.  I did read he was working exclusively at receiver yesterday...but some guys were out ...The days of lower round draft picks being pretty much a lock to make the roster for a few years are over.  I am sure that if he doesn't make the final cuts we would put him on the practice squad if we can.  But, this is early.  Things can change once we start hitting real camp and start to play the exhibitions.  

To expand on running back, i just don't see any way he makes it in that room with Chubb, Hunt, Johnson, and Ford in there. None of those guys are going to get cut, so unless we trade one, Felton is in for a tough go.

Felton didn’t make the team last year as a RB and his few highlights and touches he had were at WR and as a return man. 
 

Grant takes away the return option. So it is Felton….Schwartz, the Rookies and possibly a veteran free agent (maybe) for the 5 and 6 spot. 

[gumby73]

21 hours ago, nickers said:

Woods maybe winds up on the taxi squad..

14 hours ago, Zombo said:

Is this 1973?

Z

maybe some former players being placed on the Taxi squad.. was giving them a bad rep 

 

[ballpeen]

3 hours ago, SdBacker80 said:

Felton didn’t make the team last year as a RB and his few highlights and touches he had were at WR and as a return man. 
 

Grant takes away the return option. So it is Felton….Schwartz, the Rookies and possibly a veteran free agent (maybe) for the 5 and 6 spot. 

Then for some odd reason he is currently listed as a RB, as he was last year. Who knows how they will do it, maybe we will get the new roster and depth chart and James Hudson will be listed as a RB.

[TexasAg1969]

3 hours ago, ballpeen said:

Then for some odd reason he is currently listed as a RB, as he was last year. Who knows how they will do it, maybe we will get the new roster and depth chart and James Hudson will be listed as a RB.

On ESPN's depth chart he is not listed as a RB, just 4th string Kick returner.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/cle/cleveland-browns

[SdBacker80]

4 hours ago, ballpeen said:

Then for some odd reason he is currently listed as a RB, as he was last year. Who knows how they will do it, maybe we will get the new roster and depth chart and James Hudson will be listed as a RB.

Well James Hudson may play better at RB than T. 

Felton had 7 “Rushes” last year I can’t recall if some of those were bubble screens/laterals behind the LOS. I remember him getting a few opportunities at RB last year in mop up time.  Pretty telling considering the fact we had a game or two where both Chubb and Hunt were out and half the year Hunt was out.   I watched the rookie from Cincy last year…Felton isn’t beating him out for Rushes, but he can most certainly win the #5 WR role considering the depth chart

[Orion]

3 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

On ESPN's depth chart he is not listed as a RB, just 4th string Kick returner.

Yeah, but as a punt returner he's all the way up to 3rd string.

He's always been listed as a RB on the team's site.  And always played on the field as a receiver.  (almost always)

 

[ballpeen]

Any way you cut it, it sounds like he will have a hard time sticking.   Maybe he can make it as a WR.  He won't be the returner and if he lines up as a back over Chubb,Hunt, or Johnson...even Ford, Stefanski should be evaluated.

 

Last year, when he came in, you knew he was getting the ball to run one of the 4-5 plays which were his package of plays.

[Orion]

I wasn't Felton's biggest supporter last year.....because he didn't seem to excel at anything.  He's not real fast (and we knew that on draft day), he's not really a shifty route runner, he's only 5'9" and as a RB, the few times he did carry the ball, he was an arm tackle.   I don't remember his blocking ability but I wouldn't think he was able to pancake anyone.   -  He was a 6th round rookie so there's a possibility that he makes a jump this year but as has been said, he's probably got a lot of competition for his roster spot.

I was a little disappointed in the Ford pick.  I really didn't want to upset that RB apple cart that we had.  I was thinking that we could get one more year out of the trio that we had...which was a great trio.