• Evaluating quarterbacks, JFF, 2014 Draft and 6 years later, and in 2022. "Abilities and character".

[mjp28]

• Evaluating quarterbacks, JFF, 2014 Draft and 6 years later,  and in 2022.   Abilities and character.     Character, quarterbacks...and our beloved   ♥️   Cleveland Browns. 

I found this old article from Football  Outsiders in clicking around for JFF information wow did it turn out to be a good article from 2014, 2020 and even now 2022.   About talent,  character,  the evaluation process, "pulling the trigger"  or just pass.  (see biggest bust)

Good look into the football evaluation process and the crap shoot it really can be.  Good read, well I liked it,  

Quarterbacks.... or see link below 

Conventional Wisdom: Entering the 2013 college football season, Louisville's Teddy Twatwater had been considered the top prospect, with little dissent. He was calculated and football-smart, with precision and rhythm to make up for a lack of arm strength and athleticism, as well as a slight frame at just 190 pounds through the end of his college career. But after being one of the best college quarterbacks in 2012, in 2013 Bridgewater was only good, not great. That probably wouldn't have been enough to really squelch the hype around him, but then he had a legendarily bad Pro Day, and was reportedly just as bad in private workouts. Mike Mayock dropped him from a top-five pick to out of the first round, and one anonymous scout said that he was a Day 3 pick. Sports Illustrated draft writer (and Football Outsiders alum) Doug Farrar disagreed, listing Bridgewater as his top talent overall in the class, and saying that "any NFL executive who will throw multiple scouted games out the window based on a shirt-and-shorts session, whether positive or negative, is probably on his way out the door."

Still, many did throw that out the window, looking for better options. For most, that was Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel. Johnny Football won the Heisman Trophy as a redshirt freshman in 2012 and nearly repeated the feat the next season. Even those who stuck by Bridgewater were mostly forced to admit that Manziel had the higher ceiling -- an ad-libbing, sandlot-style quarterback who was nigh-impossible to gameplan against; an astonishing scrambler; a ferocious competitor, with unparalleled confidence and a knack for being one step ahead of his competition. Manziel had boom written all over him. But with the potential for boom came a potential to bust and, well, some people really, really disliked Manziel's attitude, his character, and his work ethic. He was a well-known partier and not at all well-known as a leader in college, with a "sense of entitlement and prima-donna arrogance." The name "Ryan Leaf" was being circulated as well, and that was before you mentioned his lack of discipline in the pocket. Don't get us wrong, though -- at the time, Manziel was a very, very popular choice for a top-ten pick. NFL.com's Bucky Brooks had Manziel going third to Jacksonville; ESPN Nation writers had Cleveland scooping him up fourth overall, while Walter Football had him tumbling all the way to seventh. There were even some rumors the Rams were ready to cut bait on Sam Bradford and take Manziel second overall.

With Bridgewater tumbling and Manziel showboating, some scouts leaned towards Central Florida's Blake Bortles as their preferred option. Bortles wasn't considered to be as pro-ready as Manziel or Bridgewater, but as a project with upside, his stock increased rapidly as draft day approached. Bortles had the best Pro Day of the three top prospects, and he had the most prototypical size and arm measurables. He needed to be paired with a team that could afford to develop him, but Bortles was the relatively drama-free option atop the class.

After those three, most talk revolved around Eastern Illinois' Jimmy Garoppolo, Alabama's A.J. McCarron, and Fresno State's Derek Carr, all of whom were possible Day 2 selections.

Here on Football Outsiders, the last year for the Lewin Career Forecast was ... terrible! Georgia's Aaron Murray was listed with the highest projection, because he was the only top prospect who started all four seasons in college. Everyone else fell into a sort of general mishmash, with no real red flags and no real diamonds in the rough. And so, to quote from the article, "the official position of Football Outsiders regarding the 2014 LCF is that this year the LCF doesn't mean anything. Figuring out the difference between Bridgewater, Manziel, and Bortles is all up to the scouts."

✔️   Yes. Super helpful,  that. The next year, we unveiled QBASE, which at the time retroactively rated the 2014 quarterbacks Bridgewater, Carr, Manziel, and Bortles, in that order.

Highest Pick: Blake Bortles, third overall to Jacksonville.

Best Player: It strangely feels like the jury is still out on this one. Bridgewater's terrible leg injury in 2015 means he is only now regaining a starting spot, while Garoppolo only has one full season as a starter thanks to Tom Brady never, ever retiring and an ACL tear. So your winner is Derek Carr, whom Oakland took with the fourth pick of the second round. While his third-place finish in the 2016 MVP race was a product of over-hype, Carr has accumulated 3,674 DYAR in his career. The only other quarterback from this class with over 1,000 is Garoppolo (1,487), with Bridgewater's 263 and McCarron's 16 being the only other passers on the positive side of the ledger.

Don't get me wrong -- this isn't a win by default for Carr, either. He has the two best seasons of any passer in the class, and five of the top eight. While it was rumored that Jon Gruden was thinking about moving away from Carr this offseason, plenty of teams would love to have someone with Carr's quality under center; he's a top-ten quarterback when everything is going right around him. It might have been a closer race if Bridgewater had stayed healthy or Garoppolo had taken over in New England, but Carr would likely have been the best player in this class regardless.

★    Biggest Bust: Yeah, those Ryan Leaf comparisons weren't miles away for Johnny Manziel. Bortles actually accumulated less DYAR (-209 to -191), but that was over six seasons, and he's still in the league. Manziel went 22nd overall to Cleveland, and that was the high point of his tenure with the Browns. Every fear of off-field incidents came to pass. Manziel was pulled over by police after drinking and arguing with his girlfriend. Manziel was filmed partying in a nightclub, lied about it to head coach Mike Pettine, encouraged his friends to lie about the video -----> continued ----->  FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS 2020 -----> April 13, 2020 ----->  SEE LINK IN BELOW POST, should work. 

[mjp28]

Oh finally got a link, hope it works....

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2020/2014-nfl-draft-six-years-later  

There's a lot  more on that one page.  But I've always been a BIG believer in quarterbacks and character  they just go together. 

Graham,  Ryan, Sipe, Kosar, even Testaverde and others. 

Kosar got beat up before our eyes and kept on taking hits !   

GO BROWNS and all of our quarterbacks with the character  they've shown on every Sunday.....and Monday,  Thursday,  Saturday.   Oh yeah.

[mjp28]

I didn't realize how high Teddy Bridge.water's stats were and why he was rated so high.   A potential Cleveland Browns player ?

Teddy Bridge-water Stats
Year	Att	Comp.	Pct.	Yards	TD	INT	Rating
2012	287	419	68.5	3718	27	8	160.5
2013	303	427	71.0	3970	31	4	171.1

[Unsympathetic]

Manziel: A Sad Story of Overhype -- Focuses on Manziel's bad traits which would not translate to NFL including hero ball, bad feet, one-and-run etc.

If there's a character piece in this, it's his lack of self-awareness to actually identify opportunities for improvement and the work ethic to do something with that identified gap -- to actually become a better pocket passer [or player in general].  As well, of course the team tracks the usage of their tablet for video work at home -- when they said he wasn't studying, that was from their installed tracking software.

Manziel's actual pro trait was his RB1 athleticism, yet was a QB.

Or maybe throwing to future actual Hall Of Famer Mike Evans [and Christine Michael at RB, and Luke Joeckel / Jake Matthews / Cedric Ogbuehi on OL] made it too easy at college.

[mjp28]

Manzel needed more college football experience he even had less than ND's Kizer too early to be thrown into the world of professional football  especially for a rookie quarterback. 

Too much money too early and no restraints  he soon turned into a bum.  He never had a work ethic, bad combination for an NFL  quarterback. 

And then drinking and drug issues just rode him out of thr NFL, CFL and any other football. 

No future for JFF. 

[gumby73]

Looking Back at the 2018 NFL Draft After Baker Mayfield Is Dealt to Panthers  

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/sports/looking-back-at-2018-nfl-draft-after-baker-mayfield-dealt-to-panthers-2/2875740/

 

1. Baker Mayfield, Cleveland Browns

2. Saquon Barkley, New York Giants

3. Sam Darnold, New York Jets

4. Denzel Ward, Cleveland Browns

5. Bradley Chubb, Denver Broncos

6. *Quenton Nelson, Indianapolis Colts

7. *Josh Allen, Buffalo Bills

8. Roquan Smith, Chicago Bears

9. Mike McGlinchey, San Francisco 49ers

10. Josh Rosen, Arizona Cardinals

11. *Minkah Fitzpatrick, Miami Dolphins

12. Vita Vea, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

13. Daron Payne, Washington

14. Marcus Davenport, New Orleans Saints

15. Kolton Miller, Oakland Raiders

16. Tremaine Edmunds, Buffalo Bills

17. *Derwin James, Los Angeles Chargers

18. *Jaire Alexander, Green Bay Packers

19. Leighton Vander-Esch, Dallas Cowboys

20. Frank Ragnow, Detroit Lions

21. Billy Price, Cincinnati Bengals

22. Rashaan Evans, Tennessee Titans

23. Isaiah Wynn, New England Patriots

24. DJ Moore, Carolina Panthers

25. Hayden Hurst, Baltimore Ravens

26. Calvin Ridley, Atlanta Falcons

27. Rashaad Penny, Seattle Seahawks

28. Terrell Edmunds, Pittsburgh Steelers

29. Taven Bryan, Jacksonville Jaguars

30. Mike Hughes, Minnesota Vikings

31. Sony Michel, New England Patriots

32. Lamar Jackson, Baltimore Ravens

2018 QB draft class..with (*debatable) Updated grades as of July 2022.. https://thelistwire.usatoday.com/lists/grading-the-quarterbacks-chosen-in-the-2018-nfl-draft-baker-mayfield-sam-darnold-josh-rosen-josh-allen-lamar-jackson/

Cleveland Browns: Baker Mayfield  Grade:  C

Pittsburgh Steelers: Mason Rudolph Grade: C

just Blow ME , to this nonsense ! ^^^ (Gipper has scheduled a football gods meeting)

 

Any regrades? or fan GM thoughts?

Both Lamar Jackson & Josh Allen get A's? heck..I had a hard time getting to 5 graded A's (see *) Vea/Roquan/K.Miller?

Grade Shaquon Barkley?  can we all now deal with Denzel Ward's playing time 😊

 

Enjoy the weekend !  

 

 

[mjp28]

July 15, 2022  -   Mayfield  C can see that.  My grades :  2018 A.  2019 D-   2020  A-   2021. D    Overall. C- (maybe  a  B- at times)   But a lot of up/down inconsistencies and injuries to deal with.

On a pass/fail  for a #1 NFL pick,   Fail.

On a curve again inconsistencies,   C+

WELL he's gone an overall BAD experience on the BRM years.  Definitely trending. DOWN  in year 4.    Adios Baker you gave us a few thrills, but didn't go far in the playoffs. 

[FY56]

I'm happy Rosen busted. What an arrogant prick.

And to think he was in the Browns discussion.

[TexasAg1969]

Ah, just add one more second rounder from 2018. #35 overall one Nick Chubb. Now that there is a draft pick!!🤗