Weed Causes Mass Shootings...

[MLD Woody]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-mass-shootings-blame-weed-tucker-carlson-laura-ingraham-1378425/

 

 

 

They're clearly running out of things to blame. Hopefully a growing number of people realize how ridiculous this is. The pro gun lobby is running out of excuses ...

[Vambo]

21 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-mass-shootings-blame-weed-tucker-carlson-laura-ingraham-1378425/

 

 

 

They're clearly running out of things to blame. Hopefully a growing number of people realize how ridiculous this is. The pro gun lobby is running out of excuses ...

Kinda like blaming guns and wanting to ban them!

[Axe]

This kid like woodsucker,  is just fucked in the head.  His smoking pot if anything, probably delayed this warped action.

[Westside Steve]

Makes sense, Mass Shooters are usually young people and weed is their intoxicant of choice.

"Combined Gallup data from 2015-2021 show more Millennials (20%) saying they smoke marijuana than other generations, followed by Gen X (11%), Baby Boomers (9%) and Traditionalists (1%).Aug 17, 2021"

WSS

Didn't know traditionalist was a generation I bet it isn't

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

Know the Risks of Marijuana | SAMHSA

[MLD Woody]

7 hours ago, Westside Steve said:

Makes sense, Mass Shooters are usually young people and weed is their intoxicant of choice.

"Combined Gallup data from 2015-2021 show more Millennials (20%) saying they smoke marijuana than other generations, followed by Gen X (11%), Baby Boomers (9%) and Traditionalists (1%).Aug 17, 2021"

WSS

Didn't know traditionalist was a generation I bet it isn't

I thought that was the "Silent Generation"? 

 

I hear a lot of young people also listen to music. I guess listening to music causes mass shootings. Oh, they drink water too. Have we tested the connection there? Hmmmm 

[MLD Woody]

The crusade to keep weed illegal by old conservatives is just another example of them being on the wrong side of history. How anyone can say weed needs to be illegal then turn around and be perfectly fine with how we handle tobacco and alcohol is a giant hypocrite. But again, given the group I described at the beginning there, being a giant hypocrite is par for the course. 

This is another issue with those against it are getting more and more ridiculous on their reasoning each passing year,which has to be a good sign.

[Westside Steve]

16 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

The crusade to keep weed illegal by old conservatives is just another example of them being on the wrong side of history. How anyone can say weed needs to be illegal then turn around and be perfectly fine with how we handle tobacco and alcohol is a giant hypocrite. But again, given the group I described at the beginning there, being a giant hypocrite is par for the course. 

This is another issue with those against it are getting more and more ridiculous on their reasoning each passing year,which has to be a good sign.

No doubt some people are consumed with the weed angle. I wouldn't think that the weed causes any violent Behavior. On the other hand I think there could easily be some sort of correlation made among people who choose/need to get fucked up and how often they need to do it. Got to be a few factors between the guy who's drunk every day and the guy who's drunk on the weekend. Whether it's weed or blow or scotch or beer or oxy or crystal meth or ecstasy or whatever. I would also imagine that there are some angles to be figured out as to which of these appeal more or less to the people who consume a lot of them. For instance a crack smoker would have different psychological twists then maybe an oxy taker.

Probably a better factor for multiple killings would be age and race.

WSS

[MLD Woody]

1 minute ago, Westside Steve said:

No doubt some people are consumed with the weed angle. I wouldn't think that the weed causes any violent Behavior. On the other hand I think there could easily be some sort of correlation made among people who choose/need to get fucked up and how often they need to do it. Got to be a few factors between the guy who's drunk every day and the guy who's drunk on the weekend. Whether it's weed or blow or scotch or beer or oxy or crystal meth or ecstasy or whatever. I would also imagine that there are some angles to be figured out as to which of these appeal more or less to the people who consume a lot of them. For instance a crack smoker would have different psychological twists then maybe an oxy taker.

Probably a better factor for multiple killings would be age and race.

WSS

So there's a correlation between how often someone chooses to do something and how often they do it. Groundbreaking stuff there...

 

I know this is where the mass shooting argument evolves for you and others to include gang violence and anything over the defined amount of like 3 murders (or whatever it is). And then the race angle can be young black guys. Got it. The root causes there are going to be different than the root causes of the white guys that shoot up schools, stores, and public events. 

Though regardless of which one we're talking about the right has no interest in actually addressing any of the root causes (they'll yell socialism) or take real preventative measures (more socialism). 

So we're left being the only developed country in the world dealing with mass gun violence...

[Westside Steve]

14 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

So there's a correlation between how often someone chooses to do something and how often they do it. Groundbreaking stuff there...

 

I know this is where the mass shooting argument evolves for you and others to include gang violence and anything over the defined amount of like 3 murders (or whatever it is). And then the race angle can be young black guys. Got it. The root causes there are going to be different than the root causes of the white guys that shoot up schools, stores, and public events. 

Though regardless of which one we're talking about the right has no interest in actually addressing any of the root causes (they'll yell socialism) or take real preventative measures (more socialism). 

So we're left being the only developed country in the world dealing with mass gun violence...

Pretty much. But of course I'm talking about multiple killings not necessarily gang violence but I'm sure that's a factor. Cultural diversity probably plays a part. But relax no doubt there will be an AR-15 band coming reasonably soon before you guys lose the houses. That should put an end to it.

By the way the United States also leads the world in traffic death. But be of good cheer China Russia and India have more heart disease than we do.

WSS

[MLD Woody]

26 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

Pretty much. But of course I'm talking about multiple killings not necessarily gang violence but I'm sure that's a factor. Cultural diversity probably plays a part. But relax no doubt there will be an AR-15 band coming reasonably soon before you guys lose the houses. That should put an end to it.

By the way the United States also leads the world in traffic death. But be of good cheer China Russia and India have more heart disease than we do.

WSS

Right, cultural diversity.... Like freaking out about the "great replacement", but the lite version.

 

I still believe legislation won't happen and if it does it will be completely inadequate. Allowing Reps to go "see! Gun reform doesn't work!"... As they line their pockets with gun lobby money. And around we go...

 

 

America doesn't lead the world in per Capita traffic death. Might be the highest of developed countries though. We can address that as well, sure. But do you really need it explained how gun violence and traffic deaths are different?

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

Advocates for the legalization of medical and retail marijuana are quick to point out all the possible benefits that a community might see from such a venture. These include increased jobs, increased tax revenue, possible medical benefits and they advertise it as “safe” and “healthy” and “organic.” They utilize the words “cannabis” and “marijuana” for everything without differentiating between the different forms of cannabis that can have very different effects on the mind and body.

Many people who have voted for legalization thought they were talking about the marijuana of the 1960s to 1980s when the THC content was less than 2%. However, without any clear guidelines or regulations from government officials, the cannabis industry has taken a page from the tobacco and alcohol industries’ play book and developed strains of marijuana and concentrated marijuana products with much higher concentrations of THC, the psychoactive component that causes addiction. The more potent a drug is, the stronger the possibility of addiction and the more likely the person will continue to purchase and use the product.

The active component in marijuana that people find so desirable was not really known until the 1960s when a research team in Israel found that after injecting THC into aggressive rhesus monkeys, they became calm and sedate.¹ This team discovered that there was a receptor in the brain that fit THC like a glove so they named these receptors cannabinoid receptors. It was not until the 1990s that this same team discovered why we have these receptors in our brain.¹ They discovered compounds produced by our bodies that fit into these receptors which they named anandamides, a Sanskrit word for “supreme joy.” These receptors are found all over the brain and are still called endocannabinoid receptors but that is not because they are meant for people to take in THC.

The primary problem with the current available cannabis in dispensaries in Colorado is that the THC content is not like it used to be. Prior to the 1990s it was less than 2%. In the 1990s it grew to 4%, and between 1995 and 2015 there has been a 212% increase in THC content in the marijuana flower. In 2017 the most popular strains found in dispensaries in Colorado had a range of THC content from 17–28% such as found in the popular strain named “Girl Scout Cookie.”² Sadly these plants producing high levels of THC are incapable of producing much CBD, the protective component of the plant so these strains have minimal CBD. For example the Girl Scout Cookie strain has only 0.09–0.2% CBD.

The flower or leaves that are generally smoked or vaped are only one formulation. We now have concentrated THC products such as oil, shatter, dab, and edibles that have been able to get the THC concentration upwards of 95%. There is absolutely no research that indicates this level of THC is beneficial for any medical condition. The purpose of these products is to produce a high, and the increased potency makes them potentially more dangerous and more likely to result in addiction.

Because there was initially no regulation on the edibles they have been made to look very similar to regular products that people consume such as chocolates, gummy bears, PopTarts etc. As a result there has been a significant increase in the accidental exposure/overdoses of children younger than nine in Colorado compared with the US at large.³ New regulations beginning in 2019 require that all cannabis packaging in the state of Colorado must have a universal “THC” symbol on the label with the written warning “Contains Marijuana. Keep away from Children.” All marijuana-infused products must have the universal symbol marked on at least one side of the “Standard Serving of Marijuana.”

According to the 2014 Monitoring the Future Study, marijuana is by far the number one drug abused by eighth and twelfth graders.⁴ Since legalization in Colorado, marijuana use in adolescents and those 18–25 has steadily climbed, well outpacing the national average. Colorado leads the nation in first time marijuana use by those aged 12–17, representing a 65% increase in adolescent use since legalization.⁵ According to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment in 2015 the county of Pueblo, Colorado, has the highest prevalence of reported past month marijuana use by high school students at 30.1%.⁶ It is well documented that when drugs are perceived as harmful, drug use decreases as we have seen with adolescent use of tobacco.⁷ There is significantly less perception of harm by marijuana primarily because Colorado has normalized it as a society and allowed the perception that it is “organic” and “healthy” and that there is nothing wrong with it.

However, there are significant consequences of long-term or heavy marijuana use beginning in adolescence. Adolescence is a time of significant brain development. Normally during this period there is a significant increase in dopaminergic and glutamatergic stimulatory neurotransmitters and a decrease in serotonergic and GABAergic suppressive neurotransmitters located in the pre-frontal motor cortex – the last part of the brain to fully develop.⁸ The prefrontal motor cortex or the “seat of judgement” is the last to fully develop and can take up to 25 – 30 years to fully develop. This equates to a great deal of learning, exploring and doing during this period, similar to stepping on the gas pedal and problems with impulse control and judgement, similar to problems stepping on the brake.

The reasons why adolescents are at such great risk for developing an addiction to drugs or alcohol is because this is a period with increased neurobiological based tendencies for risk taking with decreased suppressive and regulatory control, and this is a period of decreased parental monitoring and increase in peer affiliations, a “perfect storm.”

The marijuana of old used to be classified as a hallucinogen and was thought to not cause addiction because there was no identified withdrawal syndrome. This has changed and with the increased potency of THC there is a definite recognized withdrawal syndrome which includes increased anger, irritability, depression, restlessness, headache, loss of appetite, insomnia and severe cravings for marijuana.⁹ It has been reported that 9% of those who experiment with marijuana will become addicted; 17% of those who start using marijuana as teenagers will become addicted; and 25–50% of those who use daily will become addicted.¹⁰ A 2015 study carried out in the UK found that high-potency cannabis use is associated with increased severity of dependence, especially in young people.¹¹

Addiction is a problem with the learning and memory part of the brain and all drugs of abuse work in the same “reward pathway” where we learn to do anything such as eat and procreate. All drugs of abuse cause a release of dopamine from the nucleus acumbens that signifies salience and starts the process of long term potentiation which reinforces the learning. At the same time, the hippocampus which is vitally important for new memory and learning is negatively impacted by the chronic use of any addictive substance. These substances decrease neurogenesis in the hippocampus and actually cause shrinkage of the hippocampus and impair the ability to learn new things. This is true for alcohol, cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, nicotine, and THC.¹² Animal studies have demonstrated impaired learning with all of these substances but the good news is that recovery is possible. When the use of addictive drugs is stopped and the animals are allowed to be in a recovery environment where they are free to exercise (voluntary exercise being one thing that improves neurogenesis) they can again learn new things.¹³

Human studies have shown that long-term (>10 years) and heavy (>5 joints per day) cannabis use compared with age matched non-using controls resulted in bilaterally reduced hippocampal and amygdala volumes (p=.001) and significantly worse performance on measures of verbal learning (p<.001).¹⁴ There is evidence that recovery is possible in humans as well. A study of 40 male and 34 female long-term (@15 years) cannabis users versus 37 non-users, healthy controls divided the marijuana users into three groups; those that smoked predominantly THC in the previous three months, those who smoked a combination of THC and CBD in the previous three months and former uses with a sustained abstinence of 29 months.¹⁵ They found that cannabis users had smaller hippocampal volumes compared to controls but the users not exposed to CBD had an even greater (11%) reduced volumes (CBD appears to be somewhat protective). In the former users the hippocampal integrity was comparable to controls. The only problem with this study is they did not test for functional deficits to see if function improved along with hippocampal volume.

There are other important neurotransmitters that are very active during adolescence and include acetylcholine receptors (ACH) and endocannabinergic receptors (CB1). ACH helps us focus and concentrate and ACH innervation of the pre-frontal motor cortex reaches mature levels during adolescence.¹⁶ These receptors in the brain are called nicotinic or nACHRs to differentiate them from the muscarinic receptors in the body. They are called nicotinic simply because nicotine binds to these receptors – not because we are supposed to use tobacco products. These receptors are involved in promoting or preventing neuronal cell death depending on the stage of brain development. Putting an exogenous form of nicotine in the developing brain, as in consuming tobacco, can dysregulate these fine tuning mechanisms during adolescence.

CB1 receptors regulate the balance between excitatory and inhibitory neuronal activity utilizing our own natural anandamides. Exposure to cannabis during adolescence disrupts glutamate which plays an important role in synaptic pruning in the pre-frontal motor cortex; disrupting normal brain development.¹⁷ This is most likely why there are many studies demonstrating the negative effect on cognition and IQ in people who are exposed to marijuana beginning in utero through adolescence. In spite of this, nearly 70% of dispensaries in Denver, Colorado, recommend cannabis products to treat nausea in the first trimester of pregnancy.¹⁸ This is basically bud-tenders practicing medicine without a license.

A study in New Zealand with a 20-year follow-up showed an average loss of 8 IQ points with early persistent teen use of marijuana.¹⁹ If you already have a high IQ, a drop in 8 points may mean the difference between making As and making Bs, however for the person with an average IQ of 100 (50^th percentile), a loss of 8 points can put that person in the 29^th percentile with significant difficulty in functioning. A study out of Yale University tracked 1,142 students who achieved similar SAT scores and were enrolled in college.²⁰ They found that those who used minimal alcohol or cannabis had an average GPA of 3.1 at the end of the semester. Those who drank alcohol without using marijuana had an average GPA of 3.03 and those who used both alcohol and marijuana had an average GPA of 2.66.

Marijuana use is also correlated with creating or worsening many mental health problems including anxiety, depression, psychosis, and suicidal ideation. A prospective study in Australia followed 1,600 girls for seven years starting before they expressed symptoms of mental illness or substance abuse.²¹ They found that girls who used marijuana at least once a week were twice as likely to develop depression than those who did not use, and those who used marijuana every day were five times more likely to suffer from depression and anxiety than non-users. A study of 307 adults with depression assessed symptoms, functioning and marijuana use at baseline, and three- and six-month intervals.²² Researchers found that marijuana use was associated with poor recovery. Those aged 50+ increased their marijuana use compared to the youngest age group (p<.001) and the marijuana use worsened depression (p<.001) and anxiety (p=.025) symptoms. Marijuana use led to poorer mental health functioning compared to those who did not use marijuana (p=.01).

Numerous studies have demonstrated that using cannabis prior to the age of 15–18 significantly increases the risk of developing psychotic symptoms.²³ The risk is dose dependent and increases with greater frequency of use and with higher potency THC. A landmark study out of the UK analyzed 780 adults, ages 18–65, 410 with their first psychotic episode versus 370 matched healthy controls.²⁴ They found that use of high potency THC >15% resulted in a three times increased risk of psychosis, and if the use was daily there was a five times increased risk. Those using hash with <5% THC did not exhibit psychotic symptoms.

A growing number of states have identified PTSD as an approved condition for medical marijuana. However, this is not based on any research. There is no evidence that marijuana successfully treats PTSD and there is evidence that it can make it worse. Marijuana is not the answer for PTSD similar to the reason why benzodiazepines or alcohol are not the answer for PTSD. All these compounds do is provide temporary relief by numbing the individual and disconnecting them from the traumatic emotion. It does not resolve the trauma, and they have to continue to use multiple times a day in order to continue with the benefit. This can lead to increased addiction potential and withdrawal symptoms, cognitive impairment, a-motivational syndrome, and the potential for psychosis or worsening psychosis from the PTSD. An observational study done by the VA followed 2,276 Veterans who were treated for PTSD in one of the VA PTSD treatment programs around the country.²⁵ It compared those using marijuana and those not using it and found those who never used marijuana had significantly lower symptom severity four months after PTSD treatment. Those who were using marijuana but stopped using it in treatment had the lowest level of PTSD symptoms four months after treatment, and those who started smoking marijuana had the highest levels of violent behavior and PTSD symptoms four months after treatment. Another conundrum that impacts treatment for PTSD is the possibility that cannabis users have an increased susceptibility to memory distortions even when abstinent and drug free which can compromise reality monitoring. Riba et al. studied 16 heavy cannabis users (daily for last two years – average of 21 years) to 16 matched cannabis naïve controls.²⁶ The cannabis users had to abstain from cannabis use for four weeks prior to the study. The study involved a memory paradigm including a study phase and a testing phase with the participant in an MRI scanner. They were given lists of four words to memorize and then shown a different list and they had to report if the words were on the previous list. Marijuana users were significantly more likely to have false recognition of the words and were less likely to reject that they had a false memory compared with the non-users.

Multiple studies have documented a relationship between cannabis use and suicidality. A large, longitudinal study in Australia and New Zealand of over 2000 adolescents and maximum frequency of marijuana use found almost a seven fold increase in suicide attempts in daily marijuana users compared with non-users.²⁷ A Congressional Hearing on April 27, 2017, reported that Veteran suicides were up 32% since 2001 compared to a national increase of 23% during the same time period. A 2017 cross-sectional multi-site VA study of 3,233 Veterans found that cannabis use disorder was significantly associated with both current suicidal ideation (p<.0001) and lifetime history of suicide attempts (p<.0001) compared to Veterans with no lifetime history of cannabis use disorder.²⁸ This significant difference continued even after adjusting for sex, PTSD, depression, alcohol use disorder, non-cannabis drug use disorder, history of childhood sexual abuse, and combat exposure. According to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment, marijuana is by far the most frequently encountered drug on toxicology screens of suicides among adolescents ages 10 – 19 and has been increasing over the last eight years.²⁹

Misguided marijuana advocates have recently been suggesting that marijuana is a solution for the opioid epidemic. There is no clinical evidence of this and in fact, marijuana is found to be more of a “companion” drug rather than an “alternative” drug for most patients seeking addiction treatment in Colorado. A study of 5,315 adolescents in the UK with three or more measures of cannabis use from age 13–18 found a dose-response relationship between cannabis use trajectories in adolescence and nicotine dependence, harmful alcohol consumption, and other illicit drug use by age 21.³⁰ A large study of 34,653 individuals using NESARC data compared cannabis use at wave 1 (2001–2002 – 81% response rate) to prescription opioid use disorder at wave 2 (2004–2005 – 70.2% response rate).³¹ Cannabis use at wave 1 was associated with a significant increase of having a prescription opioid use disorder at wave 2, with over four times the risk for those who had frequent use of marijuana.

There is evidence that prenatal exposure of cannabis can alter opioid gene function in humans. Fetal brains obtained from aborted fetuses from women who were using marijuana during their pregnancy were compared to those from women not using marijuana during pregnancy.³² The researchers discovered impaired opioid-related genes in distinct brain circuits that they hypothesized may have long term effects on cognitive and emotional behavior. These findings are comparable to findings with animals. One study of prenatal cannabis exposure in rats found that the THC exposed rats exhibited shorter latency to first active lever press for heroin and had higher heroin-seeking during mild stress and drug extinction than animals not exposed to THC.³³ The THC exposed animals exhibited allostatic changes in the limbic encephalin systems in adulthood.

Another interesting study that supports the idea that cannabis use and opioid use are linked was in a randomized, double-blind, placebo controlled trial of naltrexone in non-treatment seeking cannabis smokers.³⁴ In a laboratory setting those receiving a placebo had 7.6 times the odds of self-administering active cannabis compared with those receiving daily naltrexone, an opioid receptor blocker.

If states continue to commercialize marijuana as has been done in Colorado we are destined to see many more people requiring treatment for addiction, depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and psychosis. We need to continually educate every one of the risks and increase prevention efforts to prevent children and adolescents from initiating marijuana use. This should include a strong ban on any advertising that appears to be directed toward youth – for all drugs including marijuana, tobacco, and alcohol. States will need to commit to increased funding for and availability of treatment options. The strongest recommendation would be to initiate regulations to limit the concentration of THC. Ideally this would be to less than 10% as there is no good research on concentrations greater than this for any medical condition and there is significant literature on the negative effects of high potency THC.

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Footnotes

 

Elizabeth ‘Libby’ Stuyt, MD, is a board certified Addiction Psychiatrist and a Senior Instructor for the University of Colorado Health Science Program, Department of Psychiatry. She is the medical director for a 90-inpatient dual diagnosis treatment program in Pueblo, Colorado.

Contact: moc.nsm@tyutsybbil

 

[calfoxwc]

5 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said:

Marijuana use is also correlated with creating or worsening many mental health problems including anxiety, depression, psychosis, and suicidal ideation. A prospective study in Australia followed 1,600 girls for seven years starting before they expressed symptoms of mental illness or substance abuse.²¹ They found that girls who used marijuana at least once a week were twice as likely to develop depression than those who did not use, and those who used marijuana every day were five times more likely to suffer from depression and anxiety than non-users. A study of 307 adults with depression assessed symptoms, functioning and marijuana use at baseline, and three- and six-month intervals.²² Researchers found that marijuana use was associated with poor recovery. Those aged 50+ increased their marijuana use compared to the youngest age group (p<.001) and the marijuana use worsened depression (p<.001) and anxiety (p=.025) symptoms. Marijuana use led to poorer mental health functioning compared to those who did not use marijuana (p=.01).

Numerous studies have demonstrated that using cannabis prior to the age of 15–18 significantly increases the risk of developing psychotic symptoms.²

so, woodpecker hates science. I'm guessing woodpecker kneejerked and feels he is more of an expert than this board certified Addiction Psychiatrist.

after all, he is? an "engineer"...........

so stupid.

[Axe]

Three words ya never want to hear come out of an engineer's mouth

"Works on paper"

🤣

[MLD Woody]

@DieHardBrownsFan1 most of that is giving why teens shouldn't smoke. Ok, fine. No one is pushing to legalize weed for kids. 

If you're agreeing with all of those points presented for why weed is dangerous and should be illegal then I imagine you're looking to completely ban alcohol too, right?

 

 

@calfoxwc just like I'm convinced you don't know the first thing about statistics I'm convinced you don't know the first thing about anything vaguely related to science. 

It's also fucking hilarious for you to point at an "expert" when you frequently dismiss any expert that disagrees with your preconceived believes. The best example being the virtual consensus of climatologists that believe climate change is a threat. But instead you find a random petition with much less qualified people signing it and go "see! look!" as if it means anything.

 

Like most things, you're just a giant hypocrite. You have a deeply rooted anti academic anti expert sentiment in your beliefs, because you need one in order to follow the political beliefs you follow. But you'll then find one rando that believes with you and turn around and say "oh you don't trust the experts? You're anti science?". Oh just fuck off with that. You're as transparent and hypocritical as they come. 

 

And for those that want to question my education please feel free to line up and state your own. Realizing any comments I make on this matter will be something like "Woody is always saying his smart he is blah blah blah" (when 95% of the posts on the subject come from the MAGA morons rushing to be the first to insult me. Geniuses I'm sure)

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

24 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

If you're agreeing with all of those points presented for why weed is dangerous and should be illegal then I imagine you're looking to completely ban alcohol too, right?

 

Absolutely not.😁

[Vambo]

15 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

and for those that want to question my education please feel free to line up and state your own. Realizing any comments I make on this matter will be something like "Woody is always saying his smart he is blah blah blah" (when 95% of the posts on the subject come from the MAGA morons rushing to be the first to insult me. Geniuses I'm sure)

[mjp28]

On 7/10/2022 at 9:50 PM, Westside Steve said:

Makes sense, Mass Shooters are usually young people and weed is their intoxicant of choice.

"Combined Gallup data from 2015-2021 show more Millennials (20%) saying they smoke marijuana than other generations, followed by Gen X (11%), Baby Boomers (9%) and Traditionalists (1%).Aug 17, 2021"

WSS

Didn't know traditionalist was a generation I bet it isn't

    Let's see adding the bars below 48% of people there use pot so 52% don't.  Only 3% over 65 ?  The old hippies,  hmmm I thought that would be higher.   Sound about right ?

I'm a no user at 71.

[Vambo]

[calfoxwc]

woodpecker - you don't have a degree in pharmacy. So........your ignorant arrogance is absolutely astounding.

so, stick that up your trans-beak.

[MLD Woody]

3 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

woodpecker - you don't have a degree in pharmacy. So........your ignorant arrogance is absolutely astounding.

so, stick that up your trans-beak.

Cal, don't act like you actually care about academics, degrees, or expertise. If you did, you'd understand climate change is a real issue. 

You don't actually care about any of those things. You don't respect schevxe, scientists, doctors, experts, professor's, etc. You just flip back and forth based on whatever fits you best. 

You have no conviction. No morals. No spine. 

[Vambo]

Weed causes climate change!

[calfoxwc]

19 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Cal, don't act like you actually care about academics, degrees, or expertise. If you did, you'd understand climate change is a real issue. You don't actually care about any of those things. You don't respect schevxe, scientists, doctors, experts, professor's, etc. You just flip back and forth based on whatever fits you best. You have no conviction. No morals. No spine. 

so, climate change = man made global warming. Go peck yourself. You're a moron.

Not once in all this time, have you or your politically left groupie "scientists" who have modified data, blackballed contrary studies, lied and played the game for UN grants.

I have SHOWED again and again - the truth - from officials of the UN - etc. "GLOBAL WARMING IS A MANIPULATIVE TOOL THAT CAN REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH TO POOR COUNTRIES".

We are so much in debt it is extremely dangerous. Every time some gov goes totally "climate change" woke - they fail.

Go live in sri lanka.

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[calfoxwc]

Woodpeckersucker pecked:

al, don't act like you actually care about academics, degrees, or expertise. If you did, you'd understand climate change is a real issue. You don't actually care about any of those things. SoYou don't   drespeSct schevxe, scientists, doctors, experts, professor's, etc. You just flip back and forth based on whatever fits you best. You have no conviction. No morals. No spine.

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     Your insults are as asinine and ignorant as any I've ever read. You have zero idea of what you are quacking about. You constantly make a complete asswhole of yourself. You flaunt your education, but ridicule anyone else's.

     It doesn't make you look like you have a clue. You have no idea of what you are talking about, and you have NO idea of what a lot of us have sacrificed, accomplished, learned .... about life, love, courage.

It's just sad you are such an ignorant wimpy mouthy punk.

[MLD Woody]

9 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

Woodpeckersucker pecked:

al, don't act like you actually care about academics, degrees, or expertise. If you did, you'd understand climate change is a real issue. You don't actually care about any of those things. SoYou don't   drespeSct schevxe, scientists, doctors, experts, professor's, etc. You just flip back and forth based on whatever fits you best. You have no conviction. No morals. No spine.

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     Your insults are as asinine and ignorant as any I've ever read. You have zero idea of what you are quacking about. You constantly make a complete asswhole of yourself. You flaunt your education, but ridicule anyone else's.

     It doesn't make you look like you have a clue. You have no idea of what you are talking about, and you have NO idea of what a lot of us have sacrificed, accomplished, learned .... about life, love, courage.

It's just sad you are such an ignorant wimpy mouthy punk.

I literally have not "flaunted" an education anywhere in here. 

That's great you've lived a long time, experienced a lot, loved, etc. Happy for you. But none of that carries any weight when talking about a scientific issue like climate change. 

You "flaunting" your life experience somehow mattering on a topic like this is no different than you just "feeling" your way through the subject. 

 

Again, you simultaneously prop up "experts " you agree with while trashing any actual experts or scientists you disagree with. You don't respect any of this expertise or academics because if you did you wouldn't trash them constantly. 

In reality, none of that matters to you. All that matters is whether they're aggreeing with you already turned beliefs.

 

Literally nothing to do with me or ky education, fyi. Which is just brought up as a red herring constantly. 

 

 

Cal, you're wrong on climate change. You can't claim you respect scientists, education, etc. and then crap all over the virtual consensus of climatologists. 

End of story.

[Westside Steve]

15 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

I literally have not "flaunted" an education anywhere in here. 

That's great you've lived a long time, experienced a lot, loved, etc. Happy for you. But none of that carries any weight when talking about a scientific issue like climate change. 

You "flaunting" your life experience somehow mattering on a topic like this is no different than you just "feeling" your way through the subject. 

 

Again, you simultaneously prop up "experts " you agree with while trashing any actual experts or scientists you disagree with. You don't respect any of this expertise or academics because if you did you wouldn't trash them constantly. 

In reality, none of that matters to you. All that matters is whether they're aggreeing with you already turned beliefs.

 

Literally nothing to do with me or ky education, fyi. Which is just brought up as a red herring constantly. 

 

 

Cal, you're wrong on climate change. You can't claim you respect scientists, education, etc. and then crap all over the virtual consensus of climatologists. 

End of story.

Actually as we all know the bottom line is that yes the climate is changing. Yes there is probably more than one reason. No we don't know exactly which one is the most significant. If in fact it's fluorocarbons released into the atmosphere then that has to be not only stopped but the effect reversed.

And yes we keep kicking the can of the point of no return ahead a few years every time doomsday comes and goes.

WSS

 

[Westside Steve]

PS another thread that's gone off the track oh well