6 GAMES FOR WATSON....I'LL TAKE IT

[SdBacker80]

15 hours ago, FY56 said:

 Six games for "a" violation?  Hmmm... 6 games X 24 violations = 144 games.

I'd say he got off with less than a slap on the wrist but rather a pat on the head saying "now run along and be a good boy Deshaun."

Interesting. It's likely he would have received the same punishment had he only been accused of misbehaving one time. That doesn't seem right.

If I can add one bit of understanding to this situation.  As a rich man (which I am not but I know a few) Settling a civil case is not an admission of guilt.  Yet we have “intelligent” media members repeatedly bringing this up. You are certainly better off with an upcoming 350M payout paying a “victim” 100K than sitting in front of a jury that is aware of your known wealth.   Honestly if he was truly guilty they would have much much more and/or their lawyer stinks.  He seems like a d@mn good ambulance chaser to me 

[Westside Steve]

19 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said:

If I can add one bit of understanding to this situation.  As a rich man (which I am not but I know a few) Settling a civil case is not an admission of guilt.  Yet we have “intelligent” media members repeatedly bringing this up. You are certainly better off with an upcoming 350M payout paying a “victim” 100K than sitting in front of a jury that is aware of your known wealth.   Honestly if he was truly guilty they would have much much more and/or their lawyer stinks.  He seems like a d@mn good ambulance chaser to me 

Settling is not necessarily an admission of guilt neither is failure to indict a statement of Innocence. A legal system that forces you to go bankrupt defending yourself against BS or real allegations if that's what they are is a big big problem. That's life. It is what it is he got what he got time to live it or live with it.

WSS

[hoorta]

1 hour ago, jrb12711 said:

I can tell you without a moment of hesitation that I'd rather watch shitty football than win with Watson. I'll always be a fan of the Browns, but any success associated with Watson will feel like a tarnished crown to me. I just don't how on Earth I'll be able to cheer, or even be happy, assuming he has success playing the position. 

Then how fast you've forgotten 1-15, 0-16...  🙄 Whoopee!!! Let's go back the the good old days of being the NFL doormat.  

Look, I'm not thrilled about Watson's past- yeah, it's disgusting... But I believe he deserves a second chance. And that second chance will be his last- if you've caught on to what the arbitrator wrote. 

There's Browns fans who aren't Browns fans anymore... Plenty like you who may hold their noses and still root for the Browns in spite of the Watson stink. Count me in that group, what's done is done, not a damn thing that I can do about it. It's a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There's plenty of high character guys on the Browns like Nick Chubb & Joel Bitonio, you want players like them to lose just because you feel that Watson is an unforgivable sleaze ball?   

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

1 hour ago, jrb12711 said:

I can tell you without a moment of hesitation that I'd rather watch shitty football than win with Watson. I'll always be a fan of the Browns, but any success associated with Watson will feel like a tarnished crown to me. I just don't how on Earth I'll be able to cheer, or even be happy, assuming he has success playing the position. 

The guy got some hand jobs, big frigging deal.  They are money grubbers trying to get as much as possible.  Watch someone else then.

[jrb12711]

27 minutes ago, hoorta said:

Then how fast you've forgotten 1-15, 0-16...  🙄 Whoopee!!! Let's go back the the good old days of being the NFL doormat.  

Look, I'm not thrilled about Watson's past- yeah, it's disgusting... But I believe he deserves a second chance. And that second chance will be his last- if you've caught on to what the arbitrator wrote. 

There's Browns fans who aren't Browns fans anymore... Plenty like you who may hold their noses and still root for the Browns in spite of the Watson stink. Count me in that group, what's done is done, not a damn thing that I can do about it. It's a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There's plenty of high character guys on the Browns like Nick Chubb & Joel Bitonio, you want players like them to lose just because you feel that Watson is an unforgivable sleaze ball?   

As I've used before, all I'm going to say in response is "a rotten apple spoils the bunch". Further, this isn't JUST Watson-it's owners and an organization who made a conscious choice to go this route.

I haven't forgotten those awful days, at all. But that doesn't change my mind at all either.

16 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said:

The guy got some hand jobs, big frigging deal.  They are money grubbers trying to get as much as possible.  Watch someone else then.

“Watson then started to masturbate," the suit said, and the woman immediately stopped the massage. “Apparently responding to the look of shock on (the woman’s) face, Watson said to (the woman) ‘Relax. It is okay to touch it.' ” the suit said.

When she refused, Watson stood and “continued masturbating more aggressively,” the suit said.

As he did so, he also asked the woman, “Where do you want me to put it?” the suit said, adding that the woman was “in complete shock and could not speak. She froze.”

Watson then quickly ejaculated, the suit said, and “some of his ejaculate got on (the woman’s) chest and face,” the suit said.

The woman immediately left the room to clean up. Watson dressed, “offered no apology or explanation for his conduct,” left and paid her $150 via Cash App.

The woman called her close friend afterward and told her what happened. “They were both mortified by Watson’s conduct,” the suit said.

Sure, just handjobs. At least admit you are ignoring things.

[Orion]

So, is this the end of day 2?    Of the 3 days that the NFL has to appeal?  

[gumby73]

5 hours ago, Orion said:

So, is this the end of day 2?    Of the 3 days that the NFL has to appeal?  

Per The Dan Patrick show.. This Thursday 9am is the cutoff time.. I chose to wait this out..

This whole 'process' is a suits cluster-fuk imo.. Sue Robinson is not the blame here.. D. Watson is..

while the NFLPA should have never signed anything on letting players, loss games/fines get back into God-dell's 'process' on appeal.

Tick. Tick.tick

[Orion]

22 hours ago, hoorta said:

as Ms. Arbitrator wrote in her opinion,  the Personal conduct policy agreed on in the player's contract says 6 game max for a violation.  You can't change the rules retroactively.

'nuff said.....in reality, right?  If they want to amend the policy, well, there's probably a procedure in place for that.  But what changes may or may not be put forth in the future doesn't apply in the here and now.

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

[Orion]

22 minutes ago, gumby73 said:

Per The Dan Patrick show.. This Thursday 9am is the cut time.

Thanks.  So we're just about half way through...

[FY56]

5 hours ago, jrb12711 said:

I can tell you without a moment of hesitation that I'd rather watch shitty football than win with Watson. I'll always be a fan of the Browns, but any success associated with Watson will feel like a tarnished crown to me. I just don't how on Earth I'll be able to cheer, or even be happy, assuming he has success playing the position. 

Although I don't find myself going to that extreme, I don't blame you at all for feeling the way you do.

But how would you feel if Watson was to serve a full year suspension rather than a six game?

Rizzo on KNR played a montage of media taking heads expressing their opinion on the suspension, and one believing Watson deserves a one year suspension stuck out as making a lot of sense....

He said that upon completion of Watsons lengthy one year suspension, fans most conflicted about Watson would come around and be of the mindset that the man has paid his dues ...and that it is now time forgive and forget and get back to playing football, and that's exactly how I would feel.

At this point he still remains a scumbag to a lot of Browns fans.

 

[hoorta]

4 hours ago, jrb12711 said:

As I've used before, all I'm going to say in response is "a rotten apple spoils the bunch". Further, this isn't JUST Watson-it's owners and an organization who made a conscious choice to go this route.

I haven't forgotten those awful days, at all. But that doesn't change my mind at all either.

“Watson then started to masturbate," the suit said, and the woman immediately stopped the massage. “Apparently responding to the look of shock on (the woman’s) face, Watson said to (the woman) ‘Relax. It is okay to touch it.' ” the suit said.

When she refused, Watson stood and “continued masturbating more aggressively,” the suit said.

As he did so, he also asked the woman, “Where do you want me to put it?” the suit said, adding that the woman was “in complete shock and could not speak. She froze.”

Watson then quickly ejaculated, the suit said, and “some of his ejaculate got on (the woman’s) chest and face,” the suit said.

The woman immediately left the room to clean up. Watson dressed, “offered no apology or explanation for his conduct,” left and paid her $150 via Cash App.

The woman called her close friend afterward and told her what happened. “They were both mortified by Watson’s conduct,” the suit said.

Sure, just handjobs. At least admit you are ignoring things.

I'm certainly not ignoring that... And the other sleazy instances...  She never saw a guy beat off before in her life though?  Eventually got way more than $150 bucks to help her get over the shock... High five $$$$$ figures? 

Regarding the Browns Office & coaching staff who signed off on bringing DW into town, they had better be right about his playing ability, or they're all going to be looking for employment elsewhere.  

[mjp28]

11 minutes ago, hoorta said:

I'm certainly not ignoring that... And the other sleazy instances...  She never saw a guy beat off before in her life though?  Eventually got way more than $150 bucks to help her get over the shock... High five $$$$$ figures? 

Regarding the Browns Office & coaching staff who signed off on bringing DW into town, they had better be right about his playing ability, or they're all going to be looking for employment elsewhere.  

Something tells me some staff might have started that already.   Who knows.   Good night everyone.   

[hoorta]

3 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said:

I don't know about "remorseful"..  At least publicly.  Was I wrong hearing it somewhere Judge Robinson said he might have gotten off lighter with an apology, instead of continually harping "I didn't do anything wrong"?  

[gumby73]

Can't find this posted.. so

 Here's Sue Robinson's 16 pages of findings..(pg.5)

 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/08/01/sports/football/deshaun-watson-suspension-decision.html

[gumby73]

16 hours ago, SdBacker80 said:

Honestly if he was truly guilty they would have much much more and/or their lawyer stinks.  He seems like a d@mn good ambulance chaser to me 

The NFL, led by investigator Lisa Friel, does its investigative work. In this case, it literally took months and months because of the sheer volume of accusers. From there, once the investigation has concluded, Friel and her team turn over their findings and recommendation for punishment to a third party mediator by the name of Sue L. Robinson, a former U.S. district judge who is jointly appointed by the league and the NFL Players Association under the conduct policy.

ok, See pg.3/4.. of Sue's report with the start of.."Watson allegedly* worked with more than 60.... 

dear lord..215 pages from a former sex crimes prosecutor of the NFL's choice in Lisa Friel .. And the best she could do is find 5 (decides to boot one) & only 3 of 4 holds a business therapist license..

 

Folks.. we have some ambulance chasers, that got their chasing $$, while hurting their own shady business feelings  

Go on Roger/NFL, to only listening to your paid media meatheads.. we'll wait

 

 

[FY56]

19 minutes ago, gumby73 said:

The NFL, led by investigator Lisa Friel, does its investigative work. In this case, it literally took months and months because of the sheer volume of accusers. From there, once the investigation has concluded, Friel and her team turn over their findings and recommendation for punishment to a third party mediator by the name of Sue L. Robinson, a former U.S. district judge who is jointly appointed by the league and the NFL Players Association under the conduct policy.

ok, See pg.3/4.. of Sue's report with the start of.."Watson allegedly* worked with more than 60.... 

dear lord..215 pages from a former sex crimes prosecutor of the NFL's choice in Lisa Friel .. And the best she could do is find 5 (decides to boot one) & only 3 of 4 holds a business therapist license..

 

Folks.. we have some ambulance chasers, that got their chasing $$, while hurting their own shady business feelings  

Go on Roger/NFL, to only listening to your paid media meatheads.. we'll wait

 

 

Yet:

"Mr. Watson is hereby suspended for six (6) regular-season games without pay," she ruled. "Although this is the most significant punishment ever imposed on an NFL player for allegations of non-violent sexual conduct, Mr. Watson's pattern of conduct is more egregious than any before reviewed by the NFL."

She ruled according to the precedent the NFL had set, but it almost seems like the NFL has her blessing should they choose to appeal.

 

[Flugel]

13 hours ago, Orion said:

So, is this the end of day 2?    Of the 3 days that the NFL has to appeal?  

Knowing Roger Godcomplex, he'll wait to the very last minute and appeal Thursday morning.  

[FY56]

12 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said:

Haha, remorseful? Not according to the judge.

Let the lies flow. lol

 

[jrb12711]

10 hours ago, hoorta said:

I'm certainly not ignoring that... And the other sleazy instances...  She never saw a guy beat off before in her life though?  Eventually got way more than $150 bucks to help her get over the shock... High five $$$$$ figures? 

Regarding the Browns Office & coaching staff who signed off on bringing DW into town, they had better be right about his playing ability, or they're all going to be looking for employment elsewhere.  

TBH my friend, making the statement "she never saw a beat off before" is missing the point. It doesn't matter if she has (or hasn't), it's that they clearly did not want a man doing this in their professional work place. I can have sex with 100 people, if I don't want to have sex with a person who forces me to it's still assault.

Regarding the settlements, I just hope you and others bear in mind a settlement for crimes like this make a lot more logical sense than dragging themselves through the context of a trial. These crimes are notoriously (and unfortunately) hard to prove, and settlements serve as a logical conclusion when criminal prosecution won't occur. It isn't, for many, about just the money.

 

12 hours ago, FY56 said:

Although I don't find myself going to that extreme, I don't blame you at all for feeling the way you do.

But how would you feel if Watson was to serve a full year suspension rather than a six game?

Rizzo on KNR played a montage of media taking heads expressing their opinion on the suspension, and one believing Watson deserves a one year suspension stuck out as making a lot of sense....

He said that upon completion of Watsons lengthy one year suspension, fans most conflicted about Watson would come around and be of the mindset that the man has paid his dues ...and that it is now time forgive and forget and get back to playing football, and that's exactly how I would feel.

At this point he still remains a scumbag to a lot of Browns fans.

 

Honestly? Nah, nothing short of this never occurring would make me feel strongly. To say it a bit differently and appropriately, if I could magic wand this I'd much rather have rolled with Baker and rolled the dice on how the season went.

[Axe]

Geez, I just want to see the Browns win a Lombardi in my lifetime.. 🥴

[FY56]

15 minutes ago, jrb12711 said:

Honestly? Nah, nothing short of this never occurring would make me feel strongly. To say it a bit differently and appropriately, if I could magic wand this I'd much rather have rolled with Baker and rolled the dice on how the season went.

If you would have preferred to roll the dice with Baker then this will make you feel even worse...sorry!

 

 

[Bob806]

14 hours ago, gumby73 said:

 

while the NFLPA should have never signed anything on letting players, loss games/fines get back into God-dell's 'process' on appeal.

Tick. Tick.tick

This is what I truly don't understand.

I was a union president for 15 years, and was actively involved in contract negotiations. Typically, they are cordial yet intense. I wonder what the union received in return for such strong language favoring management (Goodell) on that clause?

Most contracts I've seen include a disciplinary section, and while this is definitely the case, usually the Independent Arbitraitor (in this case, Sue Robinson) rends the final decision, and appeals can ensue if one side isn't thrilled. How the union agreed to basically give power back to Goodell is astonishing to me.

My hunch is Goodell won't act on it, just to keep the peace with the CBA. Hope I'm right.

[ballpeen]

2 hours ago, FY56 said:

Yet:

"Mr. Watson is hereby suspended for six (6) regular-season games without pay," she ruled. "Although this is the most significant punishment ever imposed on an NFL player for allegations of non-violent sexual conduct, Mr. Watson's pattern of conduct is more egregious than any before reviewed by the NFL."

She ruled according to the precedent the NFL had set, but it almost seems like the NFL has her blessing should they choose to appeal.

 

You leave out the part about it being for alleged non-violent sexual conduct.

 

The part you highlight isn't saying this is the most egregious case the NFL has reviewed.

[BrownsFan4Evr]

Question.......if she didn't "want to" how did she end up with semen on her dress and FACE????!!! Must have been pretty close for someone who wasn't consenting!

[Westside Steve]

Slap on the wrist for someone called egregious and predatory. Still this is the judge the NFL hand picked. Whether they appeal or not could the league be any more incompetent?

WSS

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

[hoorta]

12 hours ago, gumby73 said:

Can't find this posted.. so

 Here's Sue Robinson's 16 pages of findings..(pg.5)

 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/08/01/sports/football/deshaun-watson-suspension-decision.html

I'm using my tablet now, the full report is on Cleveland.com I'll post the link later. Read all 16 pages. It's obvious Deshawn was using these sessions with at least "some" sexual intent,  and the "therapists" were warned ahead of time he wanted them to massage certain areas of his body.  

Of note: Ms. Robinson stated what the NFL was alleging was poorly defined. And as I've said before, 6 games is the max penalty for personal conduct policy violations. Sorry Roger, you can't retroactively change that. If him and the NFL try to, it will certainly be challenged in court by the NFLPA.. and the NFL will almost certainly lose. The NFL "might" try to hit Deshawn with a big fine, and the NFLPA "might" be OK with that... We'll find out soon enough. 

 

[Canton Dawg]

“Rubs off” 😂

What a poor choice of words when referring to DW.

[hoorta]

OK... Cleveland.com article + 16 page complete ruling..     

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/08/debate-the-deshaun-watson-suspension-but-the-reports-finding-is-clear-he-did-it-doug-lesmerises.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22124209-deshaun-watson-suspension-ruling?responsive=1&title=1