Chicopee John Posted September 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Jimmy Carter wants a piece of this action: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/politics...t-59410277.html Carter believes Jews are racist too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Carter is a peanut brain. And Barry's is even smaller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 I think what it all comes down to, is people like Heck are influenced by the vicious and corrupt closet leftist leaders they've seen rail at Bush, however unfairly and totally uncalled for, and they have adopted the same hateful willingness to demean anyone who disagrees with them, by any verbal means necessary. It's all political benefit and expediency. Not a word about Pres Clinton protesting against his own government in England, and never served. But Pres W was a pilot in the National Guard, and was railed against, because he never served in Vietnam so he was a coward. Though, Bush had volunteered to go to Vietnam and serve in battle. What's more and more apparent, is that leftists/liberals don't respect themselves and/or definately do not respect others. The idea that they can say their health care bill doesn't do the things the bill SAYS, means that they think people are very stupid. the idea that AMERICANS can voice their opposition to their plans, and leftists believe they can demonize every one of all those millions of Americans, is so arrogant, it reeks of the inane ramblings of the members of Charles Manson's cult following. No respect for themselves, and that translates into no respect for anybody or anything. All they end up with, to compensate, is an anti-people, anti-American idealogy in whatever forms they take. Seriously. Think about it - anti-God, anti-family, anti-family values, anti-marriage, anti-patriotism, anti-conservative, anti-freedom, anti-capitalism, anti-personal responsibility, anti-military, anti-free speech (unless you agree with them), anti-Republican, anti-corporate America, anti-wealthy (unless it's them).. anti-everything that doesn't fit into the rantings of a hateful crazed college professor's idealogy. Superficial to the end, extremely self-centered and arrogant to the end. Beats me. I can't figure out what happened to them. But it is cool to see a very bright guy I've met in person, kick Heck's rear end every time. The "ha ha" is on you Heck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 OH, btw, Heck starts arguments to hujack the subject of the THREAD that he doesn't like. The subject, Heck, is "BURNING CROSS AND NOOSE PRESIDENT'. Deal with it. I'm pretty sure John didn't start this thread with the intention of reading how you will attack Steve some more. Although, it is intriguing how much you don't know he kicks your rear every time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Steve, thanks for reminding me why it's impossible to have an adult conversation with you. I ask you to defend what you said, and you ask me to defend my "truther buddies" and prove that I'm not one. And then you prove again and again that you're unwilling/unable to make qualitative judgments about anything. Apparently the problem of white-on-black racism isn't that big a deal because ...some people hate the Serbs? You can't differentiate between those two? It's all the same? Really? Sure, I remember all those Jim Crow laws against Serbs, and all that footage of Serbs being hit with firehoses and the pictures of them lynched and hanging from trees, but... And yes, you did say that Obama's urban base consisted of illiterate criminals on welfare. (That's why Obama was in favor of welfare, remember? To buy off those votes and make them dependent on him and the Democrats in government. Coming back to you yet?) Quite obviously, you were referring to blacks. Maybe you wish you hadn't said it, but you did. And then we discussed it for a few days. You wouldn't even admit that it was a horribly clumsy generalization, much less racist. And here you are, still defending it as some sort of accurate portrayal of urban black America, as if what you really wanted to do was get to the bottom of socio-economic questions. Really. If you'd like to admit that was a crass stereotype - at best - maybe we can move forward. We could even talk about what Rush Limbaugh and Michelle Malkin and Matt Drudge have been ranting about in the last 24 hours, and what that says about the base that listens to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Heck translation: "I'm too scared to admit I was really wrong about ACORN, so I'll put more words in Steve's mouth to cover up that I'm a doofus" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Steve, thanks for reminding me why it's impossible to have an adult conversation with you. Actually Heck I can do that now. There are a few possible reasons. A You really are stupid and can't grasp anything I say, no matter how tame the response is. B You can understand but refuse to respond rationally because you really have no answer. You choose to ignore every valid point. C You don't even read it, just go off like a loon after anything I say or that you pretend I say. I'll give you the reluctant benefit of the doubt and we'll say it's not likely A. But let's take just one issue. You just got done carping about the "birthers" and how no one would attack a White president. (I added "under the same circumstances") Ha. So to your anti birther rant I countered with some crackpots of your own ilk. The Truthers. (In case you aren't aware those are mostly Dems who think Bush planned 9/11.) And you become apoplectic. That's just one reason you're a clown Heck. Really. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Oh, brother. I know what your point is, Steve. And my point was that I'm making you answer for you, and what's you've said, while you're trying to tie me to people I don't agree with and have never spoken for. They're lunatics, and I've actually done work that's publicly confront them in real life. Or as you say, they're my "buddies." Nor are you representing what I'm saying correctly. You can go back and read it if you like. "I think any Democrat would get their share of wingnut bullshit hurled at them to go along with the valid critiques and the usual partisan debate/bickering, but this is different, and it's worse because of who he is; what his background is." You seem to agree with that. And then you point out that "truthers" exist, and they're my "buddies." You see, this would work if you ever saw me suggest that they had a point. Can you remember me doing that? Pointing out that there are crazy people in both parties isn't revolutionary, as much as you seem to think it is. And it's not an answer to questions about crazies in the Republican Party. The problem with the Republican Party today is that it's been overwhelmed by the crazies. It's not a fringe. It's the base. I'd wager that around 25% of the base Democratic Party is a bit loopy. I'd wager about 65% of the Republican base is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Here's one for you: do you agree with me that if you had a public job -- say Van Jones' old job -- and your employer or the public got hold of the things you've written about blacks in the past that you wouldn't be immediately fired and universally condemned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Poor little democrats are victims of a white world. boo hoo !!!! Some like Jimmy Peanut head Carter claims Berry Obama is being attacked for the color of his skin. Bull Shit! Berry obama is being attacked for being a socialist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Thank you, Crispin Glover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Hard to believe Heck is supporting/defending an avowed Communist that had to resign in disgrace out of Obama's admin. He just can't admit Obama and his ilk are mistakes. Pitiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalls1129 Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Here's one for you: do you agree with me that if you had a public job -- say Van Jones' old job -- and your employer or the public got hold of the things you've written about blacks in the past that you wouldn't be immediately fired and universally condemned? I know it is not directed at me but since your main point seems to be much more broad than just one person, and I can say for a fact, in my mind had what Van Jones said merely been on a message board or even just in a blog that I would not have cared NEARLY has much. Message boards and blogs are much more like diaries, an arena where you can think your thoughts allowed and reflect. Van Jones was an activist. That is not me being racist, that's what he called himself. He was someone who traveled and spoke to promote, defend and spread his believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 This has nothing to do with Van Jones. I just used his name as an example of someone who has a public position, even though it's a job that most people didn't even know or care about three weeks ago. You could change it to the person in charge of the National Parks if you like. It doesn't matter. The point is that if Steve had such a position and you put what he wrote (and has continued to write) into the public sphere he'd be fired faster than you can say Van Jones. I guarantee you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 You're just race baiting. I dont believe anybody on this board is a racist. If so they are good at hiding it. To Bad Van Jones was such a Bad Ass Hater, + Socialist + Left Wing Extremist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Oh, brother. I know what your point is, Steve. And my point was that I'm making you answer for you, and what's you've said, while you're trying to tie me to people I don't agree with and have never spoken for. They're lunatics, and I've actually done work that's publicly confront them in real life. Or as you say, they're my "buddies." Gosh I'll bet they're all fellow Dems ya think? Hey it's you who linked me to the birthers. Nor are you representing what I'm saying correctly. You can go back and read it if you like. "I think any Democrat would get their share of wingnut bullshit hurled at them to go along with the valid critiques and the usual partisan debate/bickering, but this is different, and it's worse because of who he is; what his background is." You seem to agree with that. Right up until you add the bullshit about how it's worse because of Obama's background. The f*cker isn't even descended from slaves. And then you point out that "truthers" exist, and they're my "buddies." You see, this would work if you ever saw me suggest that they had a point. Can you remember me doing that? See the above. Pointing out that there are crazy people in both parties isn't revolutionary, as much as you seem to think it is. And it's not an answer to questions about crazies in the Republican Party. The lefty media makes a bigger deal out of the loons on the right. The problem with the Republican Party today is that it's been overwhelmed by the crazies. It's not a fringe. It's the base. That's idiotic. I'd wager that around 25% of the base Democratic Party is a bit loopy. I'd wager about 65% of the Republican base is. BFD. Wager away. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 The point is that if Steve had such a position and you put what he wrote (and has continued to write) into the public sphere he'd be fired faster than you can say Van Jones. I guarantee you. Depends Heck. If I was a Democrat or Black I can get away with all kinds of ridiculous shit. Especially if I was Obamas buddy!!! Van Jones would still be in his position if he'd issued a small apology. OTOH if I'm White Jesse and Al are gonna be on my doorstep no matter how many acts of contrition I make. I'd get the Imus treatment. (ps Heck I can't remember you unloading on your boy Shep for his many instances of calling Charlie Frye "Whigger" because he talked funny. Can you?) WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Here's a good cartoon for you, Steve. And I loved "The f*cker isn't even descended from slaves." Yes, racists generally check a black person's lineage first just to be sure they're not discriminating against the wrong people. And what you wrote is a lot worse than what Imus said. So do you still stand by that statement? Obama's urban base is made up of illiterate criminals on welfare? And if so, have you ever looked at a map of voting results in your life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Heck, when are you going to knock off hijacking threads? The subject wrinkles your pink fedora, so you have to change the subject? I've met Steve. You are an idiot. Saying Steve is raciet is one of the most ] stupid things you've tried to pull here on this forum. Nobody here is buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Here's a good cartoon for you, Steve. Good? If "neither funny nor insightful" means "good" in the Hecktionary. Otherwise it sucks. And I loved "The f*cker isn't even descended from slaves." Yes, racists generally check a black person's lineage first just to be sure they're not discriminating against the wrong people. No Heck. To racists like, well you, skin color is all that matters. If in fact he has no relation to those in this country who suffered in the past (save for flesh tone) why should I, or anyone else, give a shit about his background? And what you wrote is a lot worse than what Imus said. It is? Is it as bad a Farrakhan or Bill Ayers or Wright? So do you still stand by that statement? Obama's urban base is made up of illiterate criminals on welfare? Well I'm sure that's not the exact language but lets say this: Yes Heck, I believe that most A people on welfare B people with the least education and C criminals were probably among the ranks Obama voters. Can you tell me that statement is not true? And if so, have you ever looked at a map of voting results in your life? Yes Heck I have. That's why I feel free to make these claims. I have no doubt you have too. That's why you can only attack what you feel my motives may be and not the facts. ps are you going to answer anything I ask coward? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 And, simpleton, to your cartoon: Those groups get free healthcare already. We've been talking about giving it to assholes that make fifty K and up. Maybe you and your buddies call them "whiggers." WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Here's a good cartoon for you, Steve. And I loved "The f*cker isn't even descended from slaves." Thats a week attempt for a cartoon, i suppose some 15 year old wrote the text for that, or was it Jimmy Carter & Rev. Wright who wrote the text. This is how the Hypocritical Lefties Campaign. Linker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted September 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Here's one for you: do you agree with me that if you had a public job -- say Van Jones' old job -- and your employer or the public got hold of the things you've written about blacks in the past that you wouldn't be immediately fired and universally condemned? He probably would, Heck. However, that would reinforce the notion it being better to sweep certain truths under the rug than to honestly deal with them. Van Jones went way over the line with 9/11. If not for that issue, he would still be in that role, IMHO. I have known Steve for quite a while and do not believe he has a racist inkling in his person. It is, to a large extent, what the definition of 'racist' has become more than somebody simply stating that there may or may not be a 'curve' in terms of heritage. I believe you are better dealing with it IF you accept the fact that it exists and work toward a solution rather than deflecting the results and rationalizing about reasons. Just my 2 cents on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 So we all seem to agree that Steve would be fired for what we be called "racist remarks" and universally condemned by both sides. (Well, maybe Rush would have your back.) But you guys are still going to cling to the idea that it's not because they're racist statements, and crass generalizations, but because he'd be getting the Imus treatment from a PC world? Maybe it's because, you know, they're racist statements. And Steve, I'll happily answer your questions when they're not an attempt to change the subject to Reverend Wright and slavery lineages. We can talk about the problems of poverty and discrimination all day if you like. And you can offer up your worldly explanations, like it's because of black people and their "anti-social behavior." As for the cartoon, I just thought it was funny because it tracks almost perfectly with what we're discussing. You don't see the racially-loaded language you use and the contempt you show, while I think it's pretty obvious. The cartoon even used some of the same language you have. As for your pathetic attempt at justifying what you said, would the fact that most illegal immigrants in this country are of Hispanic origin justify calling the Hispanic community "a bunch of dumb, illegal alien lowlifes who don't speak English"? Wouldn't that get you fired as well? Shouldn't it get you fired as well? I can't believe you don't want to admit your error. Then again, I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Are the majority of Hispanics low-lifes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I think you missed the point, Leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Sarcasm fail. My bad. I'll see if Al can install some sarcasm tags to help it convey better on a message board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 But Steve never proclaimed himself a communist. Let's get back to criticizing Obama... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 So we all seem to agree that Steve would be fired for what we be called "racist remarks" and universally condemned by both sides. We do? We be called? Uhhh I guess you talk funny too. As for your pathetic attempt at justifying what you said, would the fact that most illegal immigrants in this country are of Hispanic origin justify calling the Hispanic community "a bunch of dumb, illegal alien lowlifes who don't speak English"? Wouldn't that get you fired as well? Shouldn't it get you fired as well? Who cares? Nobody said anything like that. How about if you said "White people should bow to master Obama" would that get you fired? I mean since we're just making shit up now.... hmmm come to think of it you'd get a Csar post if you don't already have one.... I can't believe you don't want to admit your error. Then again, I can. My error? What was that again? Be precise and honest. Heh heh like you can..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Sorry, that should have been "what would be called". And your error is making racist generalizations about an entire segment of the population. And it would and should get you fired from any public job, from Cabinet-level to some guy working in the Department of Transportation. All it would need to do is see the light of day. Guaranteed. And yet you still don't see anything wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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