O'Reilly's on board

[heckofajobbrownie]

Wow. I don't know how this happened, but he's now for a public option:

 

O’REILLY: But you know, I want that, Ms. Owcharenko. I want that. I want, not for personally for me, but for working Americans, to have a option, that if they don’t like their health insurance, if it’s too expensive, they can’t afford it, if the government can cobble together a cheaper insurance policy that gives the same benefits, I see that as a plus for the folks.

 

[calfoxwc]

Let's put it this way. A public option as a solution to the problem of folks not having med health insurance is fine.

 

Nobody wants to not have that problem fixed.

 

The problem is, the Congress has many things in their Dem bill, that does NOT WASH with the alleged intention of simply

 

solving the problem.

 

A simple provision of a grant for those who cannot afford med insurance would solve it.

 

But interfering with the private med insurance industry, to the point of one way or another, eliminating it,

 

along with the ALWAYS rationing of health care, and the enormous cost of a government program, plus

 

the INABILITY to sue the gov program for malpractice, AND the complete ABSENCE of tort reform as part of that package,

 

AND the constant lies Obama tells about "his" package, which doesn't exist...

 

ask O'Reilly if he's cool with all THAT.

 

Nobody is, except for the power grabbing leftsists, including Sel... I mean Cha...; I mean Obama.@@

[heckofajobbrownie]

Here's another fun article to read. It's about a guy named Wendell Potter, who used to be an exec at Cigna before realizing he didn't want to be in the business of finding ways to cut back on people's health care. I even got it from Fox Business so you won't dismiss it as liberal propaganda.

 

Here's a graph:

 

People are suspicious of a government takeover of the health-care system, he said. But they are not suspicious of the Wall Street takeover, even as premiums keep rising and more Americans find it impossible to afford insurance each year.

 

"This is a tribute to the power of the insurance industry and special interests to manipulate public opinion," he said.

 

Potter, who sat on industry boards, said he was involved with this manipulation, hiring PR firms to set up front groups to spread misleading messages. He says he still marvels at how ordinary people parrot these messages and complain about socialism.

 

"They'll show up at town hall meetings, not realizing that they've become spokespeople for the insurance industry," he said. "More effective than I could ever be."

 

 

[Legacy Fan]

O'Reilly's on board

Well, I'm sold.

 

 

Let those who work for the public, testdrive the "public option" 1st. If it's good enough for them, I'll listen.

 

I've posted this before (but it remained unaddressed - imagine that) but 47% of the nation has a chronic illness. The number 1 chronic illness is High Blood Pressure. A condition that is mitigated by diet & exercise in 99% of the cases. With new found health insurance this condition will be mitigated with medication. And this is supposed to lower over-all health costs?

 

Come on, buddy.

 

 

And I've treated patients on "the fairgrounds" that changed Potter's life (as per the article). We saw about 1200 to be exact, and that was just in the dental chair. And trust me, these people are in horrible shape. And are "covered" by Medicare. As in, they'd be unaffected by the public option.

[Legacy Fan]

Well, I'm sold.

 

 

Let those who work for the public, testdrive the "public option" 1st. If it's good enough for them, I'll listen.

 

I've posted this before (but it remained unaddressed - imagine that) but 47% of the nation has a chronic illness. The number 1 chronic illness is High Blood Pressure. A condition that is mitigated by diet & exercise in 99% of the cases. With new found health insurance this condition will be mitigated with medication. And this is supposed to lower over-all health costs?

 

Come on, buddy.

 

 

And I've treated patients on "the fairgrounds" that changed Potter's life (as per the article). We saw about 1200 to be exact, and that was just in the dental chair. And trust me, these people are in horrible shape. And are "covered" by Medicare. As in, they'd be unaffected by the public option.

*bump*

[Legacy Fan]

Well, I'm sold.

 

 

Let those who work for the public, testdrive the "public option" 1st. If it's good enough for them, I'll listen.

 

I've posted this before (but it remained unaddressed - imagine that) but 47% of the nation has a chronic illness. The number 1 chronic illness is High Blood Pressure. A condition that is mitigated by diet & exercise in 99% of the cases. With new found health insurance this condition will be mitigated with medication. And this is supposed to lower over-all health costs?

 

Come on, buddy.

 

 

And I've treated patients on "the fairgrounds" that changed Potter's life (as per the article). We saw about 1200 to be exact, and that was just in the dental chair. And trust me, these people are in horrible shape. And are "covered" by Medicare. As in, they'd be unaffected by the public option.

*bump*

If you can find time while the sperm are re-loading from the both of the "Republican Base/Party is failing" threads.

[heckofajobbrownie]

Is this being bumped for me?

 

If so, I don't see your logic on costs. You're talking about one specific illness. Nor is anyone saying that covering some 40 million new people isn't going to cost money. We've all seen the estimates.

 

The idea is that you lower the rate of the growth in health care costs. I don't see how your example proves this either way. It may say something about how we over-medicate though.

 

As for dental insurance in Medicare, you're right. It's odd that you don't get basic dental through Medicare.

[Legacy Fan]

yeah - bumps were for you, the cheap-shot was for everyone in favor of increasing the governments role in our health care.

 

My example was to point out that you cant lower the growth rate of costs by adding more costs. With any change in corporate insurance policies, the 1st talk at the watercoolers was what additionally would be covered. Medications, contacts, composite fillings in teeth opposed to metal/ amalgam. What I'm talking about is the notion that people will falsely believe they are getting something for nothing, and human nature tells us to see if we can get a little more. That's no way to lower costs. That's on the consumer end. Add the fact that we over-medicate (on both doctor & patient ends) will also increase costs.

 

And the people that came to the fairgrounds in Wise, VA came to the dental end of the property after they stood in line for physicals, High-blood pressure medicine, sniffles, coughs, aches, etc.

 

And while I dont intend this to be a cheap way to pat myself on the back (it is), after extracting teeth from one patient (I left 6 teeth in his head to paint the picture), and spending 10 minutes explaining to him how he can take better care of what he had still there, it flew right over his head and he said "When I come back next year, I want you guys to pull my other teeth." "Sir, the idea is to keep me out of your mouth."

 

Frustratingly satisfying. Eternal vigilance, I guess.

 

Dentistry doesnt have the market cornered on lack of patient education, especially on that end of the economic spectrum.