VaporTrail Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 I'll start Deport all illegals currently in custody for committing any crime Stop all materiel support for Ukraine's war against Russia Use his influence to get Bibi to back the hell off and begin meaningful peace dialogue between Israel/Palestine/Lebanon Establish Department of Government Efficiency and eliminate tens of thousands of the most useless federal jobs (looking at you, HR) Unleash RFK Jr on the FDA, NIH, and CIA Remove anyone in the intelligence community who took part in the Russia puppet misinformation campaign against the American people Pardon the nonviolent J6 protestors who are still in jail What would you guys add? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 I’m generally on board or ambivalent to your suggestions, with one exception. Regarding illegals, l look forward to the wheat from chaff process. I don’t know who Bibi is. I like Lebanese food though. Establishing a department to cut federal jobs costs money. That’s my main bitch with your suggestions. It sounds nice and all, but why are we creating an entire department to fire people? That’s lame. Fuck yes unleash RFK. That’s what l’m looking forward to. I’m truly hoping Trump sticks to his word and gives him a cabinet position. I’m not privy to the intelligence community, so do whatever there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 29 minutes ago, VaporTrail said: I'll start Deport all illegals currently in custody for committing any crime Not just in custody. All of those on record but released and not prosecuted... Stop all materiel support for Ukraine's war against Russia Maybe. 90 days is a long time to back channel an end prior to this action ... Use his influence to get Bibi to back the hell off and begin meaningful peace dialogue between Israel/Palestine/Lebanon On the contrary, Give him the green light to take out Iranian leadership... It's past time Establish Department of Government Efficiency and eliminate tens of thousands of the most useless federal jobs (looking at you, HR) yep Unleash RFK Jr on the FDA and CIA Sure, let's get a third Kennedy killed Remove anyone in the intelligence community who took part in the Russia puppet misinformation campaign against the American people yep Pardon the nonviolent J6 protestors who are still in jail yep What would you guys add? Drill baby drill.. EVERYTHING is attached to the price of energy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 Trump knows is about energy prices. Looking forward to seeing the last 4 years cleaned up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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calfoxwc Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 11 hours ago, VaporTrail said: I'll start Deport all illegals currently in custody for committing any crime Stop all materiel support for Ukraine's war against Russia Use his influence to get Bibi to back the hell off and begin meaningful peace dialogue between Israel/Palestine/Lebanon Establish Department of Government Efficiency and eliminate tens of thousands of the most useless federal jobs (looking at you, HR) Unleash RFK Jr on the FDA, NIH, and CIA Remove anyone in the intelligence community who took part in the Russia puppet misinformation campaign against the American people Pardon the nonviolent J6 protestors who are still in jail What would you guys add? I will add disagreements. ****** YES, deport all of them, especially the ones NOT in custody. Find them, deport them. Because this corrupt biden/harris regime gave them housing etc, they apparently qualify to have to have a hearing or something. It's going to take a lot of time for the damage that has been done. ******* NO, stop the war. Put the screws to russia, give the Ukraine the assistance to kick the russians ass right back out of the Ukraine. Remember russian tanks rolling into Czechoslovakia ? Their failed system requires aggression. Make it non-profitable. It should have been PREVENTED, but the incompetent cowards in our WH did nothing, then did nothing, then did a little, then did a lot more with severe restrictions, and of course, it grew into a very dangerous war. Stopping aid to the Ukraine now will just encourage russia to gain more and more, do it again and again. Let the Ukraine and Israel fight to win. Stop the cowardly bs. It enables more wars in the long run. ******** Pres Trump should use his influence to screw over IRAN AGAIN, to make it clear we support Israel in killing all the terrorists, everywhere they are. Make the Iranian gov poor again, so they won't be sending billions to proxy terrorist orgs all over the middle east. Let Israel do whatever it takes to STOP THE TERROR. They have lived with terror their entire existence. IT's time to STOP it. Yes, give Israel the GREEN LIGHT to win. Iran does anything else from Iran? or another attempt to wipe out Israeli cities? Tell them your oil fields, everything else you want to keep will be wiped out, including your terrorist religious government if you keep supporting terrorist groups to attack Israel. The innocent "palestinians" should get help, but until they rid themselves of terrorists in their midst, they doom themselves. Eventually, only peace will happen when the terrorists and hatred stop coming from palestinian rank ********* Yes, our gov is BLOATED. Get rid of the dei and all other federal bureaucratic garbage in our gov. Trim the depts back to what their actual freaking legitimate functions are. These days, teachers don't get to teach - they are too busy with federal red tape and paperwork. It's counter-productive. Look at the results in education. The dept of ed on the federal level has no business making teachers stop teaching what they need to be teaching, and dump paperwork, unnecessary crap that takes away from actual math, history, etc etc. Stop the political leftwing garbage. *********** Have a team rid the doj, fbi, cia, irs etc etc etc of arrogant, corrupt partisan hacks. Get the dishonest sombeitches the hell out of our gov. *********** Yes, the Jan6th protesters should be pardoned - they were dishonestly politically sentenced. And get the dishonest Anti-Constitution leftwing hacks out of all judge positions. Enough with these decisions that are not based on any Constitution/Bill of Rights basis. STOP all the lawfare that has been encouraged and initiated by this corrupt biden/harris regime. *********** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 No men in women's sports 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 6 minutes ago, Jax said: No men in women's sports oh, absolutely. No more dei in our military. No more dei pref bs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 3 hours ago, Jax said: No men in women's sports And no more men in girls bathrooms... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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syd Posted November 7 Report Share Posted November 7 41 minutes ago, nickers said: And no more men in girls bathrooms... well there was this one time, Seriously just fucked up after A Zombies concert I found my way into the ladies bathroom, thank god it was a 21 and over show 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MLD Woody Posted November 8 Report Share Posted November 8 14 hours ago, nickers said: And no more men in girls bathrooms... "Liberals just care about meaningless issues, like abortion. Conservatives care about the issues that matter. Like the economy!... ......... ...... Oh and some made up fear mongering nonsense apparently." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted November 8 Report Share Posted November 8 2 hours ago, MLD Woody said: "Liberals just care about meaningless issues, like abortion. Conservatives care about the issues that matter. Like the economy!... ......... ...... Oh and some made up fear mongering nonsense apparently." Sorry, your perverted pastime is over. Hopefully... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VaporTrail Posted November 11 Author Report Share Posted November 11 On 11/8/2024 at 8:24 AM, MLD Woody said: "Liberals just care about meaningless issues, like abortion. Conservatives care about the issues that matter. Like the economy!... Oh and some made up fear mongering nonsense apparently." You've consistently characterized issues that Republicans campaign on as being made up and/or fearmongering. But as it turns out, the left aggressively trying to normalize transgender ideology was literally the most important issue for swing voters. This issue actually matters to people outside of this forum. Source: https://blueprint2024.com/polling/why-trump-reasons-11-8/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 10 minutes ago, VaporTrail said: You've consistently characterized issues that Republicans campaign on as being made up and/or fearmongering. But as it turns out, the left aggressively trying to normalize transgender ideology was literally the most important issue for swing voters. This issue actually matters to people outside of this forum. "Cultural issues like transgender issues" was the highest, relatively. But those groupings also split items up that are very similar. "Inflation was too high" and "the debt rose too much" can generally both be "the economy". "Too many immigrants illegally crossed" and "Kamala Harris would let in too many immigrants" both sound like immigration. Even then, the transgender stuff was absolutely pushed by the right. I don't think I saw a single Harris campaign ad focusing on transgender rights. I saw plenty of right wing ads with the "Harris is for they/them" bullshit. The right is great at making up an issue, telling you it is a big deal, and then pitching you a solution to the issue you didn't know existed a week ago. The right wing attempt to demonize trans people as their latest wedge issues didn't work years ago with the bathroom bill stuff. People thought it was weird (most people) and that we should just stay out of their business. But the men in girls sports thing actually took hold. So they pushed that and pushed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 12 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: The right wing attempt to demonize trans people as their latest wedge issues bs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted November 11 Author Report Share Posted November 11 13 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: Even then, the transgender stuff was absolutely pushed by the right. And the normalization of it was aggressively pushed by the left for the past 8 years. Harris didn't campaign on it because it's a losing issue. Trump didn't campaign on abortion either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 17 minutes ago, VaporTrail said: And the normalization of it was aggressively pushed by the left for the past 8 years. Harris didn't campaign on it because it's a losing issue. Trump didn't campaign on abortion either. What is considered "aggressive normalization"? Just letting them live their lives? I saw trans issues brought up by the right more than the left ever since Desantis tried to be the anti social Justice warrior candidate like 2 years ago. It was absolutely inflated to this giant, society defining issue by the right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan1 Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 43 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: What is considered "aggressive normalization"? Just letting them live their lives? I saw trans issues brought up by the right more than the left ever since Desantis tried to be the anti social Justice warrior candidate like 2 years ago. It was absolutely inflated to this giant, society defining issue by the right. Don't worry, we all accept your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted November 11 Author Report Share Posted November 11 1 hour ago, MLD Woody said: What is considered "aggressive normalization"? Just letting them live their lives? I saw trans issues brought up by the right more than the left ever since Desantis tried to be the anti social Justice warrior candidate like 2 years ago. It was absolutely inflated to this giant, society defining issue by the right. I'm all about letting them live their lives. You can't just pretend this hasn't been shoved in our faces. South Park made fun of it 5 years ago! The medical field in particular has been terribly affected by this - and it might be out of sight out of mind for most of you, but this is by far the biggest reason we all should care about this. Surgical or chemical castration of minors being taught as the standard of care for the gender dysphoria. Residents afraid to speak out against it for fear of retribution. The American Association of Pediatrics reaffirming that this is the standard of care despite large amounts of strongly conflicting scientific evidence. Much as I loathe Europeans for being European, their physician academies are taking more reasonable views on puberty blockers for kids than ours are. This is a giant, society-defining issue and it's being championed by the right because the left has failed on it. Second biggest issue is that it's eroding women's sports. A hermaphrodite won a Women's gold medal at the Olympics. Lia Thomas, a biological man who says he's a woman, won an NCAA division 1 swimming championship. You have less than reputable combat sports organizations letting men identifying as women beat the shit out of female combatants. Boys identifying as girls has been an issue at high school track and field state championships across the country. I had an MtF patient tell me that the estrogen negated all advantages as a born male in cycling competitions. Yeah, right. Which part of the above would you consider normal? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 17 minutes ago, VaporTrail said: I'm all about letting them live their lives. You can't just pretend this hasn't been shoved in our faces. South Park made fun of it 5 years ago! The medical field in particular has been terribly affected by this - and it might be out of sight out of mind for most of you, but this is by far the biggest reason we all should care about this. Surgical or chemical castration of minors being taught as the standard of care for the gender dysphoria. Residents afraid to speak out against it for fear of retribution. The American Association of Pediatrics reaffirming that this is the standard of care despite large amounts of strongly conflicting scientific evidence. Much as I loathe Europeans for being European, their physician academies are taking more reasonable views on puberty blockers for kids than ours are. This is a giant, society-defining issue and it's being championed by the right because the left has failed on it. Second biggest issue is that it's eroding women's sports. A hermaphrodite won a Women's gold medal at the Olympics. Lia Thomas, a biological man who says he's a woman, won an NCAA division 1 championship. You have less than reputable combat sports organizations letting men identifying as women beat the shit out of female combatants. Boys identifying as girls has been an issue at high school track and field state championships across the country. I had an MtF patient tell me that the estrogen negated all advantages as a born male in cycling competitions. Yeah, right. Which part of the above would you consider normal? Without getting too philosophical I'd say what we consider normal, including in the medical sense, has changed a lot over the decades. I don't disagree with your first point, but I'm also not well researched on the issue. It is a tricky situation. Taking action early could provide the best situation long term, but that is putting a lot on a child to make a decision for the rest of their life. I think I'd lean towards a more conservative approach here and hold off on any major, permanent (or mostly permanent) changes until they're older. All that said, this seems like a fraction of a fraction of a percent being amplified by the right to push the "trans people are weird and things are different now!" alarm by the right. With sports, I'd like there to be some option for trans women to participate in sports. I know some leagues have rules on how long someone has to be transitioning before competing. Seems like another issue being amplified by the right, but at least more grounded. Though I doubt the cast majority of gold actually give two shits about women's sports. So, long and short of it, I don't necessarily disagree with your statements above. That said, this still comes across as a right wing amplified social wedge issue. With plenty of grifters hopping on, like that one girl that lost to Thomas years ago. I also have to wonder how this will be looked at in the future, and how it'll compare to all of the past social issues that would "destroy society" (racism issues, gays most recently, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 https://www.psychiatry.org › patients-families › gender-dysphoria › what-is-gender-dysphoria What is Gender Dysphoria? - Psychiatry.org Gender dysphoria is psychological distress that results from an incongruence between one's sex assigned at birth and one's gender identity. Learn about the criteria, diagnosis, and treatment options for people who are transgender and experience gender dysphoria. https://www.healthline.com › health › gender-dysphoria Gender Dysphoria: Symptoms, Causes, Treatment - Healthline Dec 1, 2022Gender dysphoria is when someone feels out of alignment with their assigned sex and gender. Learn how to identify, diagnose, and treat this condition, and find resources for gender affirming care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted November 11 Author Report Share Posted November 11 1 hour ago, MLD Woody said: Without getting too philosophical I'd say what we consider normal, including in the medical sense, has changed a lot over the decades. I don't disagree with your first point, but I'm also not well researched on the issue. It is a tricky situation. Taking action early could provide the best situation long term, but that is putting a lot on a child to make a decision for the rest of their life. I think I'd lean towards a more conservative approach here and hold off on any major, permanent (or mostly permanent) changes until they're older. All that said, this seems like a fraction of a fraction of a percent being amplified by the right to push the "trans people are weird and things are different now!" alarm by the right. With sports, I'd like there to be some option for trans women to participate in sports. I know some leagues have rules on how long someone has to be transitioning before competing. Seems like another issue being amplified by the right, but at least more grounded. Though I doubt the cast majority of gold actually give two shits about women's sports. So, long and short of it, I don't necessarily disagree with your statements above. That said, this still comes across as a right wing amplified social wedge issue. With plenty of grifters hopping on, like that one girl that lost to Thomas years ago. I also have to wonder how this will be looked at in the future, and how it'll compare to all of the past social issues that would "destroy society" (racism issues, gays most recently, etc). There were 17,000 minors on puberty blockers as of a 2017 study. In the 7 years since then, I would not be surprised if it doubled or even hit 100k. I probably saw a trans patient once a year when I first graduated med school. I am now seeing about 5-10 a year for other issues. Children should not be allowed to make that decision, and I don't even think that parents should be allowed to make that decision for them. I don't fault the parents for going along with it, I fault the doctors who push this agenda more than anyone else involved. And holy shit does it get pushed by these physicians, the academic associations they run, and the medical school DEI officers forcing it into their curriculum - this is why I take exception to you saying it's just an issue because of right wing propaganda. Trump's successful they/them ad campaign is the culmination of this trash being pushed onto people by a very loud subset of the medical community. Anecdotally, every single trans person that I have treated had other crippling mental health issues that the estrogen/test didn't seem to help in the slightest (and in my opinion worsened). For sports, there should be an XX category and an open category for everyone else. There's been an XY hermaphrodite competing in the women's competition in just about every Olympic competition for the last 20-30 years and they performed exceptionally well. Even if a hermaphrodite has primitive, underdeveloped testes, they're still producing more testosterone than 99.9999% of females. Karyotype all the athletes and the karyotype decides which category they compete in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FY56 Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 On 11/8/2024 at 8:24 AM, MLD Woody said: "Liberals just care about meaningless issues, like abortion. Conservatives care about the issues that matter. Like the economy!... ......... ...... That is correct. Megyn Kelly rocks! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 2 hours ago, VaporTrail said: There were 17,000 minors on puberty blockers as of a 2017 study. In the 7 years since then, I would not be surprised if it doubled or even hit 100k. I probably saw a trans patient once a year when I first graduated med school. I am now seeing about 5-10 a year for other issues. Children should not be allowed to make that decision, and I don't even think that parents should be allowed to make that decision for them. I don't fault the parents for going along with it, I fault the doctors who push this agenda more than anyone else involved. And holy shit does it get pushed by these physicians, the academic associations they run, and the medical school DEI officers forcing it into their curriculum - this is why I take exception to you saying it's just an issue because of right wing propaganda. Trump's successful they/them ad campaign is the culmination of this trash being pushed onto people by a very loud subset of the medical community. Anecdotally, every single trans person that I have treated had other crippling mental health issues that the estrogen/test didn't seem to help in the slightest (and in my opinion worsened). For sports, there should be an XX category and an open category for everyone else. There's been an XY hermaphrodite competing in the women's competition in just about every Olympic competition for the last 20-30 years and they performed exceptionally well. Even if a hermaphrodite has primitive, underdeveloped testes, they're still producing more testosterone than 99.9999% of females. Karyotype all the athletes and the karyotype decides which category they compete in. Isn't there already a testosterone test for women competing in the Olympics? And it's absolutely been amplified by the right as they saw the opportunity for a political win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 and.... the Republicans will have both houses of Congress - no more screwed up fighting to destroy everything Pres Trump tries to do. NOW TO STOP THE PARTISAN BS. https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2024/11/11/election-results-2024-us-house-control-n2181619 BREAKING: Republicans Control the U.S. House Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 "the swamp" is dangerously too powerful and corrupt. They have to be stopped and put OUT of our gov. There is NO reason to put up with partsan hacks who dare to manipulate our elections, and who dare to exceed their authority to stay in control of our gov. LOVE THIS: https://www.theblaze.com/shows/the-glenn-beck-program/trump-deep-state Trump’s 10-point plan to DISMANTLE the deep state Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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