D Bone Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 http://www.ohio.com/news/top_stories/62243297.html Mangini's mess worse than last season By Patrick McManamon Beacon Journal staff writer POSTED: 06:10 p.m. EDT, Sep 27, 2009 BALTIMORE: Add one more element to the mess that is the 2009 Cleveland Browns. Uncertainty at quarterback. Big surprise there, eh? Once again, the team that can't seem to get the most important position on the field right can't seem to get the most important position on the field right. Brady Quinn won a lengthy and protracted quarterback competition that went back to last spring. He lasted 21/2 games before being pulled Sunday against the Ravens. Derek Anderson did what Derek Anderson does — take chances and throw interceptions. But he did it to the extreme, because the score was 20-0 when he took his first snap. Quinn didn't sound thrilled in the locker room. Anderson said he was told he'd be going into the game as the team left the locker room at halftime. Nothing like time to prepare. For the umpteenth year in a row, the position is a jumble. You really have to wonder how much it matters, though. Because the quarterback shenanigans were just part of the third Browns debacle in three weeks, a 34-3 loss to the Baltimore Ravens. A once-proud franchise is fast becoming the laughingstock of the NFL. On Sunday, the Browns were embarrassed for the third week in a row. Which means they're batting 1.000. At least they're getting something right. Three games. Three embarrassments by a combined score of 95-29. Though it was only 61-9 the last two weeks. The Browns are worse than they've been at any time since they returned to the field in 1999. Worse than the expansion team in 1999. Worse than many of the other bad teams fans have had to endure. Yes, the Spergon Wynn-Ken Dorsey-Bruce Gradkowski games were bad, but those teams were depleted and not able to compete. This season's team has had some injuries, but no more than any typical team. It is whole, yet it puts forth the kind of games and effort of the past three weeks. A year ago, there was significant outcry because the Browns were losing. Last season's team never lost like this one's did — not until it was down to Dorsey and Gradkowski. And Quinn never looked last season like he has this season. Quinn started three games in 2008, and in the third he had a broken finger. In the first two, he led the Browns' offense to 30 points and 29 points. One of those games was against the same Denver team he faced in week two this season, when the Browns scored six. On Sunday, Quinn and the Browns gained 78 yards in the first half. The Ravens had more than that in one second-quarter drive. Anderson took over in the second half and threw a poor interception, then guided a drive that ended at the Ravens' 12-yard line. Coach Eric Mangini chose to kick a field goal, down 27-0. Shades of the outcry when Romeo Crennel kicked a field goal in the opener a year ago against Dallas, down 28-7. Mangini used this reasoning for the decision: There were 10 or 12 minutes left, and three touchdowns and three 2-point conversions ties the game. He forgot to mention the part about monkeys flying in from Oz to carry away Ray Lewis. This season's Browns have lost by 14, 21 and 31. Not once last season when the team was whole did the Browns lose three games by that amount of points. Six of the first eight losses a year ago (pre-Dorsey) were by 10 points or fewer. Four of those were by four, three, four and four points. The goal is to win of course. But last season, the Browns were at least competitive. This season, they flat out stink. On Sunday, they had far more missed tackles than third-down conversions. The Ravens scored three running touchdowns when the back was not touched by a Browns defender. They spent part of Friday with a rookie cornerback throwing a punch in the locker room and a safety telling the rookie to fight him outside. They needed their veteran standout to grab the rookie by the scruff of the neck and drag him out of the locker room. Why worry about the team burning? Nero has his fiddle. The Browns have regressed. And it's happened despite a coaching change brought about, presumably, by the belief that poor coaching caused last year's problems. The Browns have a new coach, and they're worse. The question can safely be asked if the team has given up on Mangini, or if it ever believed in him to begin with. Players say no, but what else would they say about the guy who dips into their wallets? The discipline Mangini enacts seems more symbolic than meaningful. He keeps track of water bottles and who parks where and, while he does, his players fight and play like phantoms. At this point, the goal is to get a win and avoid residing in the world where Detroit resided a year ago. Which would be the world of the winless. An incredible question has to be asked, and it's not whether Mangini will be the coach of the Browns after this year — it's whether he will last 16 games this season. The regression has been that appalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownIndian Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 and that my friends is the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adz1987 Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Which is why it fathoms me as to why Quinn isn't given a little extra reign on his passing. Anderson is told to go out and throw away the game with 3-4 rec sets, let Quinn do it. By going this way, Mangini has made an already unstable team collapse at the foundations. I don't know whether or not the blame to this falls with Daboll or with Mangini but its remarkable. Quinn has shown he can guide this team to victories last year, and that he can make throws of over 6 yards, SO LET HIM DO IT. Its pointless making the kid play 'safe' dink and dunk, when its ruining his career and ruining any semblance of a chance that this team may have had this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegasdogg Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 An incredible question has to be asked, and it's not whether Mangini will be the coach of the Browns after this year — it's whether he will last 16 games this season. The regression has been that appalling. Yep and Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gips Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Which is why it fathoms me as to why Quinn isn't given a little extra reign on his passing. Anderson is told to go out and throw away the game with 3-4 rec sets, let Quinn do it. By going this way, Mangini has made an already unstable team collapse at the foundations. I don't know whether or not the blame to this falls with Daboll or with Mangini but its remarkable. Quinn has shown he can guide this team to victories last year, and that he can make throws of over 6 yards, SO LET HIM DO IT. Its pointless making the kid play 'safe' dink and dunk, when its ruining his career and ruining any semblance of a chance that this team may have had this year. Thats what ive been saying bq is not a dinker by nature its what they are trying to turn him into its nice that someone else noticed that when DA came out the scheme went 4-5 WR sets to spread the defense while quinn was made to play within a very small framework...mangini needs to be fired now and save time..lerner needs to sell this club his mismanagement and unaccountability to the fans is unbelievable and must be challenged... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted September 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Thats what ive been saying bq is not a dinker by nature its what they are trying to turn him into its nice that someone else noticed that when DA came out the scheme went 4-5 WR sets to spread the defense while quinn was made to play within a very small framework...mangini needs to be fired now and save time..lerner needs to sell this club his mismanagement and unaccountability to the fans is unbelievable and must be challenged... As much as I dislike Quinn and hate to admit it, you might be right. Now is it because the "coaching staff" <term used loosely> sees Quinn in practice and they don't like what they see, or is it simply they have the handcuffs on for another reason?? Who knows, but one thing is for sure, the opposing defense defends a VERY short field when Quinn is the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilsonTheVolleyball Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 D Bone and Gips, what are you guys smoking? Didn't you hear the other people on this forum? This is a work in progress that's going to take one, two, or possibly ten years. Give Mangini time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NebBrownsFan Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 As much as I dislike Quinn and hate to admit it, you might be right. Now is it because the "coaching staff" <term used loosely> sees Quinn in practice and they don't like what they see, or is it simply they have the handcuffs on for another reason?? Who knows, but one thing is for sure, the opposing defense defends a VERY short field when Quinn is the QB. I can't see how it could be that....I mean they selected him over DA, so if they don't like what they see with Quinn in practice, what does that say about DA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted September 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 1st rd QB draft picks are treated way differently then any other draft pick, especially compared to a free agent practice squad QB. As much as people don't want to admit it and say I'm wrong, we HAVE to start Quinn because of the position he plays and more importantly, where he was drafted............Plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumbergh Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Quinn has shown he can guide this team to victories last year you imply he has more than one victory although his record is 1-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegasdogg Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 you imply he has more than one victory although his record is 1-5 Congratulations. Your lover is the best of the shit worst QB's we've had here. He's the best of the crappiest. Must make your Oregon pride swell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greythan Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Congratulations. Your lover is the best of the shit worst QB's we've had here. He's the best of the crappiest. Must make your Oregon pride swell. Seriously. The team just got blown out for the second straight week and looks like shit everywhere and this dickhead is gloating? Even more alarming is he's gloating when his only reason for being threw three picks and scored 3 points against a defense that was playing with a 20+ point lead? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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