Kosar says Anderson was "fantastic"

[DaBrowns41]

I like them both but im a browns fan first mangini says DA for now and i agree but i watched bq for over 3 yrs at ND and am a big fan what i saw bq doing in the first 3 games is not bq and he didnt impress me at all..but nevertheless you have to make what the OC gives you work and bq failed...i want to see the kid get a real and fair evaluation should DA become unstable and turn into mr.anderception again however if DA develops well under the new regime i am very content to have him as our starter ive always thought he could correct his problems under the right regime that is firm and insistant about it and if he can fix 3 things he could be one of the better qbs in the league in 2 years...

 

I want to see him go against a junk defense like the Bengals.

 

I want to see him get Jerome Harrison to run the ball instead of twinkle toes.

 

I want to see him get to throw the ball to Mo Mass, instead of Furrey and Royal.

[Vegasdogg]

I want to see him go against a junk defense like the Bengals.

 

I want to see him get Jerome Harrison to run the ball instead of twinkle toes.

 

I want to see him get to throw the ball to Mo Mass, instead of Furrey and Royal.

Dude come on now man, the KC Chiefs ripped the Ravens through the air, so don't tell me the Ravens couldn't be had, because I saw with my own eyes when they played the Chiefs. And for the record, Quinn and DA both played with Royal, Harrison and MoMass. I mean are you guys kidding me with this BS still? MoMass was poorly overthrown by Quinn vs Denver, and Harrison was his starting RB vs Bal. Just stop.

[Drunkandstoopid]

Lol @ Kosar.

 

Kosar loves DA and always has. He's a biased idiot when it comes to the QB spot. He's always hated Quinn... Ever since he was drafted.

 

It'd just be nice for somebody in Cleveland to have an unbiased opinion.

 

I feel like we only have DA fans or BQ fans, and we don't have Browns fans.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Kosar IS the unbiased one. Speaking highly of DA and being skeptical of BQ hasn't been popular in Cleveland lately.

[Greythan]

Speaking highly of DA

Cry me a river. The guy has done everything possible to make it near impossible to speak highly of him.

 

If he plays well, he'll get support. Pretty simple formula. If he doesn't, get ready for more calls for the backup. It is what it is.

[RestinPeace]

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Kosar IS the unbiased one. Speaking highly of DA and being skeptical of BQ hasn't been popular in Cleveland lately.

 

Sorry, but Bernie's lack of respect when discussing Quinn is well known. He has put down Quinn so many times, it is amazing.

 

He also never tells of DA's miscues.

 

Both those clowns need to go and Anderson's influence on Bernie, is just another tail of that reality.

[Lumbergh]

Sorry, but Bernie's lack of respect when discussing Quinn is well known. He has put down Quinn so many times, it is amazing.

 

So what.

 

how does ripping Quinn show a bias?

 

what else could he have said about him?

 

 

 

[Drunkandstoopid]

Sorry, but Bernie's lack of respect when discussing Quinn is well known. He has put down Quinn so many times, it is amazing.

 

He also never tells of DA's miscues.

 

Both those clowns need to go and Anderson's influence on Bernie, is just another tail of that reality.

 

 

Lack of respect, or just realism?

 

[cmac12]

These are DA's stats for his last 19 STARTS. The Starts that most people have said he has been terrible on

 

29 48 364 60.4 0 1 0.0 75.3

16 35 123 45.7 3 0 0.0 83.4

24 38 274 63.2 0 1 1.0 73.8

24 35 253 68.6 2 1 1.0 96.5

21 41 304 51.2 2 2 1.0 71.6

16 29 185 55.2 2 1 0.0 83.3

9 24 137 37.5 0 0 1.0 57.1

29 48 251 60.4 2 4 1.0 53.4

11 20 152 55.0 1 1 1.0 75.4

 

11 24 114 45.8 1 0 1.0 74.0

18 32 166 56.3 0 2 2.0 44.5

14 37 125 37.8 1 3 4.0 22.9

15 24 138 62.5 1 1 1.0 74.7

18 29 310 62.1 2 0 0.0 121.3

14 37 136 37.8 1 0 1.0 57.9

14 27 246 51.9 1 0 1.0 95.6

17 33 219 51.5 2 1 1.0 80.2

16 26 110 61.5 0 0 3.0 71.0

 

26 48 269 54.2 1 1 2.0 68.8

 

9 Wins 10 Losses for a team that when DA does not start is 1 win and 9 losses during the same time period (I am only counting the second half and beyond of 2007 otherwise it is DA 13 Wins and 12 Losses and rest of time from 2007 to now is 1 Win and 10 Losses when DA does not start)

 

342 completions 605 Atts 56.53% 3876 yards 22 TDs and 19 INTS and 2 Rushing TDs. Sacked 22 times (1.16 times a game)

 

These are not HoF numbers but they are really not that bad for a young QB during the period of time that most people on the board are saying DA is playing Horrible. Inconsitant for sure. And there are several horrible games in the mix.

 

1 rating of 121

2 ratings of 95 or better

3 ratings of 80 or better

7 ratings in the 70's

1 rating of 68.8 (last week)

5 ratings of below 60

 

That would be on average 6 above average games, 7 or 8 good enough to win games (most people would say last week was at least average) and 5 totally unacceptable games. Again not HoF material, but not as bad as some make it seem for a 26 year old QB. Basically during the period of time when DA is playing horrible he has performed at least average or acceptable football 74% of the time. In addition over the last 30 Browns games DA has produced 90% of the wins and only 50% of the losses, all the time while playing "horrible".

 

I am not in any way saying that DA is the answer, but on this team right now he is not a bad option to be a stop gap.

 

BQ's 6 starts

 

23 35 239 65.7 2 0 0.0 104.3

14 36 185 38.9 0 0 1.0 55.9

8 18 94 44.4 0 2 0.0 21.3

 

21 35 205 60.0 1 1 5.0 74.1

18 31 161 58.1 0 1 4.0 58.7

6 8 34 75.0 0 1 1.0 42.7

 

1 Win 5 Losses

 

90 Comp 163 Atts 55% 918 Yards 3 TDs and 5 Ints 0 Rushing TDs Sacked 11 times (1.83 times a game)

 

I probably should not have put BQ's stats in there as they are really not revelant to what I am saying. But, When I post one I like to post the other.

 

I feel I am addressing what you are saying as I am only posting stats from DA's horrible play over the last 19 games. And during that same period of time DA lead the Browns to 4 come from behind victories or you could say 4 times more victories than the Browns have had without DA starting. And during that 19 games the Browns have scored 380 points for an average of 20 a game. In the games he did not start the Browns scored 111 points for an average of 11.1 a game. And this is only over the 30 games the Browns have played, not the first half of 2007, only during the 'horrible" DA span.

 

And yes I am talking about games started.

[Guest AdaM]

These are DA's stats for his last 19 STARTS. The Starts that most people have said he has been terrible on

 

29 48 364 60.4 0 1 0.0 75.3

16 35 123 45.7 3 0 0.0 83.4

24 38 274 63.2 0 1 1.0 73.8

24 35 253 68.6 2 1 1.0 96.5

21 41 304 51.2 2 2 1.0 71.6

16 29 185 55.2 2 1 0.0 83.3

9 24 137 37.5 0 0 1.0 57.1

29 48 251 60.4 2 4 1.0 53.4

11 20 152 55.0 1 1 1.0 75.4

 

11 24 114 45.8 1 0 1.0 74.0

18 32 166 56.3 0 2 2.0 44.5

14 37 125 37.8 1 3 4.0 22.9

15 24 138 62.5 1 1 1.0 74.7

18 29 310 62.1 2 0 0.0 121.3

14 37 136 37.8 1 0 1.0 57.9

14 27 246 51.9 1 0 1.0 95.6

17 33 219 51.5 2 1 1.0 80.2

16 26 110 61.5 0 0 3.0 71.0

 

26 48 269 54.2 1 1 2.0 68.8

 

9 Wins 10 Losses for a team that when DA does not start is 1 win and 9 losses during the same time period (I am only counting the second half and beyond of 2007 otherwise it is DA 13 Wins and 12 Losses and rest of time from 2007 to now is 1 Win and 10 Losses when DA does not start)

 

342 completions 605 Atts 56.53% 3876 yards 22 TDs and 19 INTS and 2 Rushing TDs. Sacked 22 times (1.16 times a game)

 

These are not HoF numbers but they are really not that bad for a young QB during the period of time that most people on the board are saying DA is playing Horrible. Inconsitant for sure. And there are several horrible games in the mix.

 

1 rating of 121

2 ratings of 95 or better

3 ratings of 80 or better

7 ratings in the 70's

1 rating of 68.8 (last week)

5 ratings of below 60

 

That would be on average 6 above average games, 7 or 8 good enough to win games (most people would say last week was at least average) and 5 totally unacceptable games. Again not HoF material, but not as bad as some make it seem for a 26 year old QB. Basically during the period of time when DA is playing horrible he has performed at least average or acceptable football 74% of the time. In addition over the last 30 Browns games DA has produced 90% of the wins and only 50% of the losses, all the time while playing "horrible".

 

I am not in any way saying that DA is the answer, but on this team right now he is not a bad option to be a stop gap.

 

BQ's 6 starts

 

23 35 239 65.7 2 0 0.0 104.3

14 36 185 38.9 0 0 1.0 55.9

8 18 94 44.4 0 2 0.0 21.3

 

21 35 205 60.0 1 1 5.0 74.1

18 31 161 58.1 0 1 4.0 58.7

6 8 34 75.0 0 1 1.0 42.7

 

1 Win 5 Losses

 

90 Comp 163 Atts 55% 918 Yards 3 TDs and 5 Ints 0 Rushing TDs Sacked 11 times (1.83 times a game)

 

I probably should not have put BQ's stats in there as they are really not revelant to what I am saying. But, When I post one I like to post the other.

 

I feel I am addressing what you are saying as I am only posting stats from DA's horrible play over the last 19 games. And during that same period of time DA lead the Browns to 4 come from behind victories or you could say 4 times more victories than the Browns have had without DA starting. And during that 19 games the Browns have scored 380 points for an average of 20 a game. In the games he did not start the Browns scored 111 points for an average of 11.1 a game. And this is only over the 30 games the Browns have played, not the first half of 2007, only during the 'horrible" DA span.

 

And yes I am talking about games started.

 

 

 

 

All I can say about the above is, its not good enough, he's not consistent enough.

 

 

[cmac12]

Adam I am not saying it is good enough, but for a 26 year old QB on a team that is 10 Wins (9 from DA) and 20 Losses (10 from DA) over its last 30 games (half way through 2007 and beyond) that he is good enough to be a stop gap while the Browns get a line and defense in place.

 

I will agree that he needs to not have those 5 games where he was totally unacceptable. My hope is that at age 26 with another new offense and coaching staff that he will be able to grow and remove his horrible games. I don't think he will ever be a 65% completion guy or be a guy that never makes a stupid play, but he does need to improve in those areas.

 

I am looking at DA as a stop gap player, somebody who hopefully plays well enough so the Browns can use their draft picks for the defense and line for the next couple of years.

 

Seems like everybody has been saying the Browns need to just stop the QB shuffle and stick with one. Maybe that one is DA for now. And at age 26 maybe he can at least be functionable while the Browns rebuild the rest of the team.

[Guest ATENEARS]

All I can say about the above is, its not good enough, he's not consistent enough.

 

No shit, Sherlock ... that's not what he is saying. He is taking for granted that all realize that DA's been benched during this same period, lost out in camp because of the numbers and is back in by default again. What he is saying is that in the past 19 games (the ones that most say are just horrible) we are 9-10 in them and 1-9 in ones without him during this time.

 

Looking around, I see no one else left to compete with him, so you better start embracing him because he is the best we got. At 26 yrs old, he's worth working with as he's slightly above average with all kinds of intangables that God gave him that can't be coached (strong arm, 6'-6" frame).

 

I'd say that is a pretty good indication of a player that gives us a chance to win.

[YtownBrownsBacker]

No shit, Sherlock ... that's not what he is saying. He is taking for granted that all realize that DA's been benched during this same period, lost out in camp because of the numbers and is back in by default again. What he is saying is that in the past 19 games (the ones that most say are just horrible) we are 9-10 in them and 1-9 in ones without him during this time.

 

Looking around, I see no one else left to compete with him, so you better start embracing him because he is the best we got. At 26 yrs old, he's worth working with as he's slightly above average with all kinds of intangables that God gave him that can't be coached (strong arm, 6'-6" frame).

 

I'd say that is a pretty good indication of a player that gives us a chance to win.

 

 

One thing that bothers me about NFL coaches sometimes is they bring in a system and expect the players to change to embrace their syetem. What ever happened to devising a system to take advantage of the personnel you have. One reason I wanted to see Quinn at QB this year, besides not knowing what he really has, was that he seemed to fit the offense and mentality that Mangini/Daball wanted out of a QB. Now with a suspect OL, no running game and average, at best, TEs the system is sound but we don't have the personnel to make it work.

 

Which brings me to Anderson, if they are looking for a dink and dunk QB who manages the game then they could very well end up with the same result as with Quinn. What really needs to happen is for Daball to revise the offense to take advanage of the personnel he has. That means, 3 or 4 wide and not two TEs. That means understanding that this isn't going to be a power running team that is run first to set up the pass. We need pass first to set up the run. And, that means not having two TEs and running Harrison into the A gap. It means 4 wide and running a draw with Harrison.

 

It's not that the Mangini/Daball system isn't good or can't work, but I don't believe it fits our personnel.

 

For Anderson to be successful you need to create a system that he will be comfortable in.

[Guest Masters]

We need pass first to set up the run.

 

That really is becoming the trend in the NFL now anyway.

[sisky fringo]

Bernie has manlove for DA. I don't know what he will do when DA is gone.

well if he does it's a new thing cuz he certainly never used to.

 

and in answer to your rhetorical question, he'll be honest about what he sees regarding them just like he is now. Bernie is certainly a company man but other than when he's doing color commentary with Jimmy D in front of a huge audience, he's never, EVER given Derek a free pass. the guy has integrity, he wouldn't bullshit about this.