WPB Dawg Fan Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 It could happen... Browns notes: Robiskie might get first start Published: Thursday, October 8, 2009 By Jeff Schudel JSchudel@News-Herald.com Brian Robiskie, still looking for his first catch as a pro, might start Sunday in Buffalo, Coach Eric Mangini said Wednesday morning, less than three hours after the Browns traded Braylon Edwards to the Jets. If it happens, it would be a huge jump for the rookie from Ohio State drafted 36th overall. He played on special teams in the first and fourth games and was inactive in the second and third games. "I'm excited about the opportunity to keep working," Robiskie said when told what Mangini said. "I'm going to try and approach it the way I have — every day in practice, I've come out and I've tried to get better." Robiskie is different than Edwards in a couple ways. He isn't going to stretch defenses the way Edwards did, but he has reliable hands. Edwards dropped the first pass from Derek Anderson last week. Robiskie never had off-the-field issues at Ohio State. Problems when Edwards was out of uniform were a factor in Edwards being traded. "I don't know what the connection was between (Edward's off-the-field issues and the trade), but obviously Coach has stressed the importance of preparing yourself on and off the field and holding guys accountable," Robiskie said. "It's the NFL, it's a business and teams are going to do what they feel they need to do (to get better). All we can control is what we do in practice and on Sundays." The Browns are definitely being transformed this season. Mangini traded Kellen Winslow Jr. to Tampa Bay in February. Winslow missed six games last season but still caught 43 passes. Edwards caught 55 passes. The offense might not be as talented as it was over the last three years, but it will consist of more honorable men. And despite having Edwards and Winslow, the Browns were 4-12 in 2006 and 4-12 last year. They were 10-6 in 2007. "I'm excited to see how (Robiskie) does," Mangini said. "I'm excited to see how Chansi (Stuckey) does, how Josh (Cribbs) continues to develop. We have a younger group that I think has a lot of really good potential." Robiskie caught 127 passes at Ohio State. He caught 42 passes as a senior and 55 as a junior. This could be interesting. Chansi Stuckey may well start in the slot ahead of Furrey...with Furrey continuing on defense...and then have MoMass as the #1 and Robiskie be our #2....alternating with Cribbs. Or Cribbs may get some time in the backfield with Lewis still limited in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ATENEARS Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 I just keep thinking that Robiskie is just too slow. If the guy was a late rounder, or undrafted free agent it wouldn't matter, but I hated using a #2 on him. I hope the hell that I am wrong. I don't see him being crafty like Joe J., I seem to remember him running long, slow, drawn-out fly patterns at OSU where the offense had 7-seconds to wait for the play to form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Masters Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 I just keep thinking that Robiskie is just too slow. If the guy was a late rounder, or undrafted free agent it wouldn't matter, but I hated using a #2 on him. I hope the hell that I am wrong. I don't see him being crafty like Joe J., I seem to remember him running long, slow, drawn-out fly patterns at OSU where the offense had 7-seconds to wait for the play to form. I certainly don't think Robiskie will stretch the field like he did at OSU for the reason you stated. But Robiskie's 40 times aren't bad. The question becomes can Brian get seperation at the NFL level. I think he can, in the JJ style like you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaygroundLegend Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Did you guys know that Robiskie ran a faster 40 than Braylon and Anquan Boldin. Plus he's just as tall as BE, jst doesn't have that crazy vertical. I think alot of people will b surprised by robiskie, he's the second fastest reciever on the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPB Dawg Fan Posted October 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Current 3-1 or better teams: (go to guy has at least 5 more touches than anyone else on the team) NY Giants - Steve Smith is the go to (34 catches) Minnesota - NO go to guy Chicago - NO go to guy New Orleans - NO go to guy San Francisco - NO go to guy NY Jets - Cotchery (23 catches) New England - Randy Moss (29 catches) Baltimore - NO go to guy Cincinnati - NO go to guy Indianapolis - NO go to guy (or 2 if you go Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark with 26) Denver - Brandon Marshall (16) So, out of the 11 teams that are 3-1 or better, only 4 (5 if you count Indy) have a go to guy at this point in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 I just keep thinking that Robiskie is just too slow. If the guy was a late rounder, or undrafted free agent it wouldn't matter, but I hated using a #2 on him. I hope the hell that I am wrong. I don't see him being crafty like Joe J., I seem to remember him running long, slow, drawn-out fly patterns at OSU where the offense had 7-seconds to wait for the play to form. I think for him to be successful he WILL have to "crafty" like Joe J. And I am not sure that he cannot be that way. Numerous great receivers were not great speedsters. You remember Chris Carter, "all he did was catch touchdowns". RoBo has the background to be a successful possession receiver. And he is only a rookie who has played in what? 1-2 games? The "crafty" receivers always take longer to develop than the "speed" guys......he may yet be OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Masters Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Current 3-1 or better teams: (go to guy has at least 5 more touches than anyone else on the team) NY Giants - Steve Smith is the go to (34 catches) Minnesota - NO go to guy Chicago - NO go to guy New Orleans - NO go to guy San Francisco - NO go to guy NY Jets - Cotchery (23 catches) New England - Randy Moss (29 catches) Baltimore - NO go to guy Cincinnati - NO go to guy Indianapolis - NO go to guy (or 2 if you go Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark with 26) Denver - Brandon Marshall (16) So, out of the 11 teams that are 3-1 or better, only 4 (5 if you count Indy) have a go to guy at this point in the season. You know as well as I do you can't go stricktly by number of catches. Cinci has their guy for now in Ocho Cinco Wayne is the go to guy in Indy and that shows when they need a big play in the passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPB Dawg Fan Posted October 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 I just keep thinking that Robiskie is just too slow. If the guy was a late rounder, or undrafted free agent it wouldn't matter, but I hated using a #2 on him. I hope the hell that I am wrong. I don't see him being crafty like Joe J., I seem to remember him running long, slow, drawn-out fly patterns at OSU where the offense had 7-seconds to wait for the play to form. Heyward-Bey, Darrius 4.30 Wallace, Mike 4.33 Knox, Johnny 4.34 Butler, Deon 4.38 Thomas, Mike 4.40 Harvin, Percy 4.41 Underwood, Tiquan 4.41 Byrd, Demetrius 4.42 Murphy, Louis 4.43 McKinley, Kenny 4.44 Ogletree, Kevin 4.46 Edison, Dominique 4.47 Maclin, Jeremy 4.48 Mitchell, Marko 4.49 Sargeant, Lydell 4.50 Johnson, Taurus 4.52 Means, Andrew 4.52 Kelly, Aaron 4.53 Iglesias, Juaquin 4.54 Britt, Kenny 4.56 Cosby, Quan 4.57 Dillard, Jarett 4.57 Hartline, Brian 4.58 Passmore, Darius 4.59 Robiskie, Brian 4.59 Stroughter, Sammie 4.59 Norwood, Jordan 4.62 Collie, Austin 4.63 Nicks, Hakeem 4.63 Massaquoi, Mohamed 4.66 Richmond, David 4.66 Barden, Ramses 4.68 Williams, Derrick 4.68 Childs, Jeremy 4.69 Swift, Nate 4.70 Williams, Jaison 4.72 Orton, Greg 4.75 Just sayin.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPB Dawg Fan Posted October 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Here is that list again, with catches and yards (only with 10 or more receptions) Heyward-Bey, Darrius 4.30 Wallace, Mike 4.33 (14, 194) Knox, Johnny 4.34 (14, 190) Butler, Deon 4.38 Thomas, Mike 4.40 Harvin, Percy 4.41 Underwood, Tiquan 4.41 Byrd, Demetrius 4.42 Murphy, Louis 4.43 (11, 172) McKinley, Kenny 4.44 Ogletree, Kevin 4.46 Edison, Dominique 4.47 Maclin, Jeremy 4.48 Mitchell, Marko 4.49 Sargeant, Lydell 4.50 Johnson, Taurus 4.52 Means, Andrew 4.52 Kelly, Aaron 4.53 Iglesias, Juaquin 4.54 Britt, Kenny 4.56 (17, 271) Cosby, Quan 4.57 Dillard, Jarett 4.57 Hartline, Brian 4.58 Passmore, Darius 4.59 Robiskie, Brian 4.59 Stroughter, Sammie 4.59 Norwood, Jordan 4.62 Collie, Austin 4.63 (12, 131) Nicks, Hakeem 4.63 Massaquoi, Mohamed 4.66 (10, 179) Richmond, David 4.66 Barden, Ramses 4.68 Williams, Derrick 4.68 Childs, Jeremy 4.69 Swift, Nate 4.70 Williams, Jaison 4.72 Orton, Greg 4.75 Point is, raw speed does NOT mean you will be successful. 24 of the 29 WR's that posted faster times than MoMass have fewer receptions. So, speed alone is NOT the key....and ROBO still posted a faster time than MoMass (ranked 8th in rookie receptions) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaygroundLegend Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Dude, your numbers are off I have multiple sources saying Robiskie Runs a 4.47, the fastest he's ever ran, a 4.37, and the slowest a 4.61 He has inconsistent speed, but he's FAST http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dspro...9&genpos=WR http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile...rospect_id=1625 http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...ne_insider.html http://www.bostonscore.tv/draft-central/br...e/10021547.html Everyone has him between 4.46 and 4.49 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPB Dawg Fan Posted October 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Dude, your numbers are off I have multiple sources saying Robiskie Runs a 4.47, the fastest he's ever ran, a 4.37, and the slowest a 4.61 He has inconsistent speed, but he's FAST Everyone has him between 4.46 and 4.49 Um, those are not MY numbers...they are from the OFFICIAL NFL COMBINE website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ATENEARS Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Those 40-times don't mean much to me. I believe Robo ran the best times of his life at the combine. I'm going by what I've seen, and football speed, and the word'crafty' don't fit in unless you use it as "He ain't crafty". I'll give him the benefit of the doubt though and a chance to show us ... it's just my concern going in that he don't have NFL speed or crafty enough to play without the ball. He has great hands though, you can tell his old man must not have screwed him up like our past WR's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solon16 Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Heyward-Bey, Darrius 4.30 Wallace, Mike 4.33 (14, 194) Knox, Johnny 4.34 (14, 190) Butler, Deon 4.38 Thomas, Mike 4.40 Harvin, Percy 4.41 Underwood, Tiquan 4.41 Byrd, Demetrius 4.42 Murphy, Louis 4.43 (11, 172) McKinley, Kenny 4.44 Ogletree, Kevin 4.46 Edison, Dominique 4.47 Maclin, Jeremy 4.48 Mitchell, Marko 4.49 Sargeant, Lydell 4.50 Johnson, Taurus 4.52 Means, Andrew 4.52 Kelly, Aaron 4.53 Iglesias, Juaquin 4.54 Britt, Kenny 4.56 (17, 271) Cosby, Quan 4.57 Dillard, Jarett 4.57 Hartline, Brian 4.58 Passmore, Darius 4.59 Robiskie, Brian 4.59 Stroughter, Sammie 4.59 Norwood, Jordan 4.62 Collie, Austin 4.63 (12, 131) Nicks, Hakeem 4.63 Massaquoi, Mohamed 4.66 (10, 179) Richmond, David 4.66 Barden, Ramses 4.68 Williams, Derrick 4.68 Childs, Jeremy 4.69 Swift, Nate 4.70 Williams, Jaison 4.72 Orton, Greg 4.75 what It says to me is .....don't take receivers till the third round.....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsKidd Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 I just keep thinking that Robiskie is just too slow. If the guy was a late rounder, or undrafted free agent it wouldn't matter, but I hated using a #2 on him. I hope the hell that I am wrong. I don't see him being crafty like Joe J., I seem to remember him running long, slow, drawn-out fly patterns at OSU where the offense had 7-seconds to wait for the play to form. Maybe he will turn into another Brian Brennan.... I always remember him coming in on 3rd down and always coming up with the clutch catch, never dropping anything, and never wore gloves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c-dawg Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 I don't think any of the other guys on the 40 list that was shared had a dad as a NFL wide receivers coach either. He has to be craftier than most of them by osmosis alone Then why has he not played? Hell, I'm not Mangini, ask him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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