WPB Dawg Fan Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Year Coaching 1st yr: 7-9 2nd yr: 7-9 3rd yr: 6-10 4th yr: 11-5 5th yr: 5-11 6th yr: 5-11 Amazing record (41-55). 5 out of 6 of his first seasons were losing seasons...and he is still coaching!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClevelandFanForLife Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Year Coaching 1st yr: 7-9 2nd yr: 7-9 3rd yr: 6-10 4th yr: 11-5 5th yr: 5-11 6th yr: 5-11 Amazing record (41-55). 5 out of 6 of his first seasons were losing seasons...and he is still coaching!!! jim mora jr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownB499 Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Gotta be Jeff Fisher, never seen a team so bipolar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPB Dawg Fan Posted October 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 jim mora jr? Nice try...but nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPB Dawg Fan Posted October 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Gotta be Jeff Fisher never seen a team so bipolar Another good guess, but nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgpound3 Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Bill Belichick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPB Dawg Fan Posted October 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Bill Belichick. DING DING DING...we have a winner!!! My point? Give Mangini a year or two (or 6) like Belichick had (and look at how he turned out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgpound3 Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 DING DING DING...we have a winner!!! My point? Give Mangini a year or two (or 6) like Belichick had (and look at how he turned out). I agree. He will build this team. It has potential to be a great team. We are young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownB499 Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Bill Belichick. Wow I didn't remember us going 11-5 with Vinny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNSofSTEEL08 Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Wow I didn't remember us going 11-5 with Vinny? That was the Year The Steelers Beat you 3 Times. Something Like 17-10 , 17-7 and 29-9 in the play-offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestinPeace Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Actually it is more like: 1991: 6-10 1992: 7-9 1993: 7-9 1994: 11-5 1995: 5-11 2000: 5-11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPB Dawg Fan Posted October 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Now for his first draft for NE and BB... 2nd round, 46th overall: Adrian Klemm - 4yrs with NE, only 1 as a starter (G) 3rd rd, 76th overall: JR Redmond - 3yrs with NE, 0 as starter (RB) 4th rd, 127th overall: Greg Randall - 3yrs with NE, 1 as starter (T) 5th rd, 141st overall: Dave Stachelski - 2yrs with NE, 0 as starter (TE) 5th rd, 161st overall: Jeff Marriott - total bust (DT) 6th rd, 187nd overall: Antwan Harris - 4yrs with NE, 0 as starter (DB) 6th rd, 199nd overall: Tom Brady - to discuss later 6th rd, 201st overall: David Nugent - 2yrs with NE, 0 as starter (DE) 7th rd, 226th overall: Casey Tisdale - total bust (DE) 7th rd, 239th overall: Patrick Pass - 7yrs with NE, 0 as starter Other than Tom Brady, BB had 9 total picks and only 7 made the team...and only 1 was with the team after 4 years....and he was a ST's guy. As of now, from the 2000 draft, Tom Brady is the ONLY active player in the league. Not great success now was it. Now, to discuss the GENIUS of drafting Tom Brady. First, he was a THROW IN PICK in the 6th round...in fact he wasn't even the FIRST pick of the 6th round for BB. Second, Tom Brady sat out his entire first year behind Bledsoe...and the only reason he got into a game in year 2 was because Bledsoe was bleeding into his lungs....so he was basically passed over by BB then too. Third, this is what TB was surrounded by: RB: Antowain Smith, 1st rd, 23rd pick FB: Marc Edwards, 2nd rd, 55th pick WR: Troy Brown, 8 year veteran, pro bowler WR: David Patten, yeah, the guy we tried out here TE: Rod Ruttlidge, 2nd rd, 54th pick LT: Matt Light - 2nd rd, 48th pick LG: Mike Compton - 3rd rd, 68th pick C: Damien Woody - 1st rd, 17th pick RG: Joe Andruzzi - yeah, again, recent Brown RT: Greg Randall - 4th rd, 127th pick That was a VERY TALENTED offense young Tom Brady stepped into. He was placed into a PERFECT situation for a young guy to gain his confidence...and it shows by his career. I have said it often...the protection and system are as much to credit as Tom Brady (whom I consider a system QB....just look at Cassel for evidence). Again, my reason for this is....Mangini has done a HELL of a lot better in THIS draft than BB did back in 2000 (his 6th draft)...and has seen the benefits of surrounding a young QB with talent before deciding to discard him....so, do not count EITHER of our QB's as history just yet. RG: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownB499 Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 That was the Year The Steelers Beat you 3 Times. Something Like 17-10 , 17-7 and 29-9 in the play-offs. Ah Yes, I do remember that. I had a guy from Lincoln welding at my shop teaching welding class that was a Steelers fan While he had his welding hood down teaching one of the guys ,I slipped everybody a Browns welders hat when he looked up at all of us standing there with our Browns hats,he just shook his head "your all a bunch of ass wholes" That was was a couple of days before the playoff game(he flunked me on my weld test BTW,God I hate Steeler fans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNSofSTEEL08 Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Ah Yes, I do remember that. I had a guy from Lincoln welding at my shop teaching welding class that was a Steelers fan While he had his welding hood down teaching one of the guys ,I slipped everybody a Browns welders hat when he looked up at all of us standing there with our Browns hats,he just shook his head "your all a bunch of ass wholes" That was was a couple of days before the playoff game(he flunked me on my weld test BTW,God I hate Steeler fans) Wow... That was a Good one to. I woulda Laughed my Tail off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sez.EJ Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 I have been saying that for a while now.. we turn over coaches every 3 years.. NO WAY you can field a winning team when you tear a team apart to rebuild every 3 years.. Bengals are in year 7 with thier guy... looks like the patience may be paying of with a team that at least can play with the big boys.. I don't think they are a championship team.. but at least they have allowed lewis enough time to install his program with his players.. They have had a couple 8-8 seasons and some 7-9 seasons where they were right on the edge..and palmer has been hurt.. But we cannot keep this revolving door of coaches going and ever expect to field a team that is decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownB499 Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 I have been saying that for a while now.. we turn over coaches every 3 years.. NO WAY you can field a winning team when you tear a team apart to rebuild every 3 years.. Bengals are in year 7 with thier guy... looks like the patience may be paying of with a team that at least can play with the big boys.. I don't think they are a championship team.. but at least they have allowed lewis enough time to install his program with his players.. They have had a couple 8-8 seasons and some 7-9 seasons where they were right on the edge..and palmer has been hurt.. But we cannot keep this revolving door of coaches going and ever expect to field a team that is decent. Totally agree ,but in the case of Romeo a change had to be made I'm sure Crennel is a very intelligent man,but I couldn't take another year of "I hope we play better" "I'd like to see us score this week" "I don't know if we can beat them ,I'd like to think we could" He should have been fired at the presser before the final game last year,that was the most spineless display I've ever seen from a Professional coach. If Savage would've had any balls at all ,he should of walked up to the mike, ripped it away from Crennel and said "Get OUT !" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roach Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Ah Yes, I do remember that. I had a guy from Lincoln welding at my shop teaching welding class that was a Steelers fan While he had his welding hood down teaching one of the guys ,I slipped everybody a Browns welders hat when he looked up at all of us standing there with our Browns hats,he just shook his head "your all a bunch of ass wholes" That was was a couple of days before the playoff game(he flunked me on my weld test BTW,God I hate Steeler fans) Man, you just described my uncle (taught welding at Lincoln and is a big ball busting Steelers fan). Do you remember the name of the guy? (first name only) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownB499 Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Man, you just described my uncle (taught welding at Lincoln and is a big ball busting Steelers fan). Do you remember the name of the guy? (first name only) Gary, if thats him PM me I'd like to find out where he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dencyguy Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 DING DING DING...we have a winner!!! My point? Give Mangini a year or two (or 6) like Belichick had (and look at how he turned out). Maybe...let's go deeper than just the records here. In Belichick's first season, here were the scores of his games: Dallas: 14-26 New England: 20-0 Cincinnati:14-13 New York Giants: 10-13 New York Jets: 14-17 Washington: 17-42 San Diego: 30-24 Pittsburgh: 17-14 Cincinnati: 21-23 Philadelphia: 30-32 Houston: 24-28 Kansas City: 20-15 Indianapolis: 31-0* Denver: 7-17 Houston: 14-17 Pittsburgh: 10-17 *-Not for nothing, but I was at that game. Man, was it sweet. Putting talent issues aside, this may have been one of the best 6-10 teams in NFL history. Only three losses came by more than a score, and if Gibbs pulls Mark Rypien at some point in the fourth quarter and the Redskins score one less touchdown, the Browns actually outscore their opponents on the season (293-291). I agree with giving a coach time, but the Belichick example is a bit of a mirage in terms of just wins and losses. He didn't get time because his teams went 6-10, 7-9, etc., but because they were competitive. The only exception was 1995, at least half of which should be taken off of his career statistics by the NFL because no-one could have won after Modell announced he was leaving. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Year Coaching 1st yr: 7-9 2nd yr: 7-9 3rd yr: 6-10 4th yr: 11-5 5th yr: 5-11 6th yr: 5-11 Amazing record (41-55). 5 out of 6 of his first seasons were losing seasons...and he is still coaching!!! That would be Bill Belichick. the first 5 years with the Browns, that 6th year was his first year with the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Wow I didn't remember us going 11-5 with Vinny? Yea, that would have been 1994. Belichick beat his mentor, Bill Parcells in a playoff game that year, (but yea, he then lost the next game to the Squealers) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPB Dawg Fan Posted October 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Now for his first draft for NE and BB... 2nd round, 46th overall: Adrian Klemm - 4yrs with NE, only 1 as a starter (G) 3rd rd, 76th overall: JR Redmond - 3yrs with NE, 0 as starter (RB) 4th rd, 127th overall: Greg Randall - 3yrs with NE, 1 as starter (T) 5th rd, 141st overall: Dave Stachelski - 2yrs with NE, 0 as starter (TE) 5th rd, 161st overall: Jeff Marriott - total bust (DT) 6th rd, 187nd overall: Antwan Harris - 4yrs with NE, 0 as starter (DB) 6th rd, 199nd overall: Tom Brady - to discuss later 6th rd, 201st overall: David Nugent - 2yrs with NE, 0 as starter (DE) 7th rd, 226th overall: Casey Tisdale - total bust (DE) 7th rd, 239th overall: Patrick Pass - 7yrs with NE, 0 as starter Other than Tom Brady, BB had 9 total picks and only 7 made the team...and only 1 was with the team after 4 years....and he was a ST's guy. As of now, from the 2000 draft, Tom Brady is the ONLY active player in the league. Not great success now was it. Now, to discuss the GENIUS of drafting Tom Brady. First, he was a THROW IN PICK in the 6th round...in fact he wasn't even the FIRST pick of the 6th round for BB. Second, Tom Brady sat out his entire first year behind Bledsoe...and the only reason he got into a game in year 2 was because Bledsoe was bleeding into his lungs....so he was basically passed over by BB then too. Third, this is what TB was surrounded by: RB: Antowain Smith, 1st rd, 23rd pick FB: Marc Edwards, 2nd rd, 55th pick WR: Troy Brown, 8 year veteran, pro bowler WR: David Patten, yeah, the guy we tried out here TE: Rod Ruttlidge, 2nd rd, 54th pick LT: Matt Light - 2nd rd, 48th pick LG: Mike Compton - 3rd rd, 68th pick C: Damien Woody - 1st rd, 17th pick RG: Joe Andruzzi - yeah, again, recent Brown RT: Greg Randall - 4th rd, 127th pick That was a VERY TALENTED offense young Tom Brady stepped into. He was placed into a PERFECT situation for a young guy to gain his confidence...and it shows by his career. I have said it often...the protection and system are as much to credit as Tom Brady (whom I consider a system QB....just look at Cassel for evidence). Again, my reason for this is....Mangini has done a HELL of a lot better in THIS draft than BB did back in 2000 (his 6th draft)...and has seen the benefits of surrounding a young QB with talent before deciding to discard him....so, do not count EITHER of our QB's as history just yet. RG: Wow....the more I look at the draft of BB in his first year at NE, the more I think of how AWFUL it was. If not for an injury to Bledsoe....Brady would likely never have seen the field...and the ONLY player that BB would have ended up with for more than 4 years would have been a ST's guy!!! Compare that to what we have here this year in Mangini's first draft. Guaranteed Starters: Mack MoMass Probably Starters: Veikune Robiskie Davis Special Teams Guy: Maiava Am I forgetting anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernietheKid Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Wow....the more I look at the draft of BB in his first year at NE, the more I think of how AWFUL it was. If not for an injury to Bledsoe....Brady would likely never have seen the field...and the ONLY player that BB would have ended up with for more than 4 years would have been a ST's guy!!! Compare that to what we have here this year in Mangini's first draft. Guaranteed Starters: Mack MoMass Probably Starters: Veikune Robiskie Davis Special Teams Guy: Maiava Am I forgetting anyone? Coye Frances! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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