Mr. T Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 OBAMA AND ACORN OFFICIALS SET SIGHTS ON GUNOWNERS ACORN, the publicly funded national organization linked to voter fraud in several states is now actively interfering with the exercise of firearm civil rights in New Jersey, and the Second Amendment Foundation is calling for an immediate federal investigation. One example of ACORN's gun control activism is when its officials intervened in an unsuccessful attempt to defend Jersey City, New Jersey's local gun control ordinance, which was struck down December 13, 2006 in New Jersey state court as a violation of state law pre-empting stronger local gun ordinances. "ACORN has, since 1998, received an estimated $31 million in government funding," said SAF founder Alan Gottlieb. "Now they have intervened in a New Jersey gun rights case in defense of an illegal Jersey City one-gun-a-month ordinance that violates the state preemption statute." "For the past few election cycles," Gottlieb noted, "ACORN has clearly grown more partisan toward the political Left. ACORN'S PAC has endorsed Sen. Barack Obama for president. That's hardly surprising since he used to serve as their legal counsel and he taught the group about community organizing. ACORN and Obama are lockstep in seeking to destroy our Second Amendment rights," he stated. "The organization is currently under FBI investigation over allegations of voter fraud in several states," he added. "Bad enough that ACORN is implicated in fraudulent activities in several states, but now an ACORN chapter in the Garden State is working against the ability of New Jersey gun owners to exercise a constitutionally protected individual civil right to own a handgun," said former NYPD detective, Sid Frances. "It is an outrage that this group has intervened to defend an antigun ordinance that has already been declared illegal by the court," he observed. "So long as ACORN accepts one penny of public funding, the organization should remain absolutely neutral on social issues, political campaigns and especially legal actions defending the right to keep and bear arms." "We call upon the FBI to expand the scope of its ACORN investigation and focus on the group's involvement in the Jersey City case," Gottlieb stated. "We support Ohio Congressman John Boehner's request that the White House immediately block all federal funding of ACORN activities until this group's questionable activities are fully investigated. We want to know how they are paying for attorneys, and why Seton Hall's Center for Social Justice and the Public Interest Law Center are providing legal assistance to ACORN for this effort." "This is still the United States, not a socialist gulag," Gottlieb concluded. "Public money should not be given to private organizations which then turn around and utilize that funding to usurp the electoral process and erode constitutionally guaranteed civil rights." Other political observers see something more sinister at play with Obama and ACORN's interest in disarming law-abiding citizens. "This gun control effort is part of an overall government takeover by the radical left who now control the White House, the Senate and the House of Representatives. The next part of the Obama-ACORN plan is a new military force separate from the US Armed Forces," claims political strategist Mike Baker. "Obama has called for a 'civilian national security force' as powerful as the US military, comments that were ignored by the vast majority of the corporate media but compared by conservatives to the Nazi Hitler Youth," warns Baker. "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded," said Senator Obama during his campaign. The idea wasn't Obama’s but Robert Gates’ which might explain why Obama is toying with the idea of keeping him on in his administration, claims Det. Frances. "An Obama Administration will accelerate the rush toward the New-World Order: first, by confiscating privately owned weapons, followed by creating a military force that would have jurisdiction within the US mainland. It will happen sooner than we believed," said the decorated former New York police officer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 ACORN? Still? Really???????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted November 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Let me get this straight: You think Barack Obama wants to disarm the rednecks and start up a Gestapo so he can... uhm... Okay, never mind. I can't even type that to make any sense of it. You guys are severely fucking Retarded. The guy is busy meeting with economic brainiacs to figure a way out of this mess we're in... and you have him building an SS. Do you ever just look in the mirror and say, "Holy Fissle-stick, man, I am just batshit crazy! WHOOOO!" and these are the words of a shithead liberal who wants everyone to think that he has the highest education in the land! the only thing is that when ever shitwrite speaks i imagine some trailer trash bitch with a cigeratte hanging out of her mouth yelling at the kids because shitwrite has a hangover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted November 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 your sources trailer trash bitch shitwrites! http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news106.htm even a fricking video for shitheadwrites! why bother he is so ignorant he wont read or listen http://www.infowars.com/?p=5891 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Shepbites and Mosquitobeak: Stop stinking up every thread with your hate. True legit articles are being brought to light. What would you have done if you were in Germany as Hitler took over? If some said "We're afraid he's going to commit genocide and destroy our country" ...what would have been your reply? If some said "He's going to create death camps and murder Jews"... and you had been there...what would you have said? The same thing as now? PLEASE STOP feeling with your rears and start criticically thinking with your minds, not that I think you have any control over that,,, we can only hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted November 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 It is the second amendment to the United States Constitution, and many people are practicing their right to bear arms. Charles Gilbert, a manager at Target World in Sharonville, says the demand is like nothing he's seen before. "9-11, when that happened, or when the riots happened a couple years ago, sales peaked during those time periods, but nothing to what we're seeing today. No comparison," Gilbert said. Customers say they're buying guns because they're not sure what President Elect Barack Obama is going to do. "As a general principal, I believe the constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constraint the exercise of that right," said Obama during a Democratic debate in April. In 1993, the Clinton Administration implemented two pieces of gun control legislation. The Brady Bill Act and the Assault Weapons Ban. The "waiting period provision" of the Brady Bill Act expired in 1998 after the National Instant Criminal Background Check (NICS) took the place of that provision. Today, gun buyers must still pass a background check before purchasing a weapon. The Assualt Weapons Ban is expired. With the fear of similar bans and rules on the horizon, Gilbert says the reason he's busy is simple. "It's just, I've always wanted one of these, I might not be able to buy it next year, I'm going to buy it now," Gilbert said. http://www.kypost.com/mostpopular/story ... 13027375b4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted November 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 A LITTLE GUN HISTORY I Thought you might appreciate this . . In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ----------------------------- Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. ------------------------------ It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: List of 7 items: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent. Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'. During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 NOW you are talkin, guys. The work to overrule, or render INEFFECTIVE the 2nd Ammendment is historical - it's FACT. Not to over-react, there isn't any need to go out and get bazookas etc. But, if in a long, depression of worse scale than the last "Great Depression", crime could skyrocket, and the Obama admin could use that as an excuse to lessen crime. As you guys pointed out, very very bad things happen when the gov tries to disarm entire countries. The citizens are left defenseless from gov domination and denial of their freedoms, or, the criminals have the guns, and crime skyrockets worse. I keep hearing people saying they are going to join the NRA. It goes to show - liberals actions result in the exact opposite of their alledged intentions. Notice they never go after bows and arrows, crossbows? Because THEY would have the guns. This is one country where guns will not be taken away. ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted November 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Notice they never go after bows and arrows, crossbows? Because THEY would have the guns. This is one country where guns will not be taken away. ever. in NC cross bows are illegal, do to the fact there silent and accurate! it scares the crap out of those who someday would possibly want to supress the citizens. what i could never understand was these guys with hi-powered rifles here on the eastern side of the state, dear hunting (xsmall size deer) with rifles when it is so flat, always scared me to be anywhere near public hunting lands. there are not enough hills to stop a bullet. i know that has been some of the reasoning in Ohio for using shotgun slugs. but in eastern and southern Ohio deer season should be opened up for rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiperBowl Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 A LITTLE GUN HISTORY I Thought you might appreciate this . . In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ----------------------------- Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. ------------------------------ It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: List of 7 items: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent. Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'. During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends. Add January 21st Obama declares all guns to be confiscated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted November 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 lets hope not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 This is one country where guns will not be taken away. ever I agree. It might be tried, but there will be a terrible price. Even if troops are used, it is going to cause a massive civil riot....and southerners and gun advocates make up a large portion of the military...I don't see them turning on American citizens...I see them standing at our side. I honestly see a break up of this country inside 50 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Well, I went to a sporting goods store. A worker there said to a question about a lot of gun sales... that hell, yeah, it's crazy. He said "people are really scared of what's maybe coming down, man". Then we went to a gun show. Never went to one before. It was not small. And it was tough to make it down just one aisle, because of the crowd. There was one serous guy, who was looking at some kind of fancy semi auto rifle, with a laser sight. I think it was 900 bucks - was pretty sure he was buying it. People were walking out of the place with guns they just bought, buying ammunition like crazy. There were pistols there like there are leaves in our woods. There were assualt rifles, with bayonets from all over the world, primarily from Romania, I think. Even a $1900 tripod mounted semi auto machine gun lookin thing, with ammo belts and a hand crank for fast firing. Don't know where that came from, but that was crazy. There were men AND women looking at pistols, rifles, shotguns... and I heard a few dealers saying they ran out of certain ammo, they were sold out. Threatening to take guns away from the American public is a typical liberal mistake: What they try to do always ends up with the exact opposite result of what they intended. I say it's because they run on emotion and do not critically think. If they did the latter, they wouldn't be liberals. That is my hypothesis, to explain why they tend to contradict themselves and refuse to be aware that they are. The American public will not be unarmed, even if the libs do try to render the right to bear arms invalid. But, honestly, I see very bad things ahead for our country unless Obama isn't really like a lot of folks fear he is as a person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Even if troops are used, it is going to cause a massive civil riot....and southerners and gun advocates make up a large portion of the military...I don't see them turning on American citizens...I see them standing at our side. Ballpeen ******************************** Isn't it so crazy to even remotely consider this as a possiblity? but... Obama wants a "civilian security force" precisely, perhaps, because you are right. I sense bad things coming down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 The one gang your article didn't mention was regular old folks tired of this shit.....and we are the biggest gang of all....any many of the people profiled as skinheads or biker gangs are just regular people. The government wants people to think some of these people are deviants. I am 100% confident I live in a part of the country that won't submit to tyranny when push comes to shove. This is beyond Obama..this is a true cultural rift that will come to a conclusion beyond voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted November 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 The one gang your article didn't mention was regular old folks tired of this shit.....and we are the biggest gang of all....any many of the people profiled as skinheads or biker gangs are just regular people. The government wants people to think some of these people are deviants. I am 100% confident I live in a part of the country that won't submit to tyranny when push comes to shove. This is beyond Obama..this is a true cultural rift that will come to a conclusion beyond voting. I agree with you, When the left want to attack gun owners they portray gun owners in a bad way. that way they can get those who allow the evening news to sahpe there views, they will come and jump on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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