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Fans, Quinn lose as Browns stick with Anderson

Charles Robinson

 

By Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports 1 hour, 56 minutes ago

 

 

Photo Browns QB Derek Anderson recovers his own fumble.

(AP Photo/Mark Duncan)

 

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Another game, another round of snaps keeping Cleveland Browns quarterback Brady Quinn(notes) from earning $10.9 million in salary escalators. With every Derek Anderson(notes) start, fans can only hope the franchise is going to use some of the money it saves by refunding season tickets.

 

For every moment they keep Anderson as their starting quarterback after Sunday’s 31-3 loss to Green Bay, the Browns are stealing money from fans and trading losses for millions. Thanks to salary escalators in Quinn’s deal, he would stand to earn nearly an additional $11 million in salary in 2010 and 2011 if he plays at least 70 percent of the offensive snaps this season. But with each Anderson start, Quinn gets further and further from earning that money. By not earning that money, Cleveland keeps him on the cheap, while simultaneously avoiding hurting his trade value. The less money Quinn makes, the easier he is to deal away. Meanwhile, the tradeoff is sticking with Anderson and losing games in embarrassing fashion, but who’s really paying attention?

 

Of course, the Browns will scoff at the idea that they are sitting a player to avoid triggering a salary escalator, which is the typical reaction of every offending coach/general manager/owner. That trio historically shrugs and says it has a sound reason to sit a player – that it has nothing to do with money and is actually in the best interest of the team.

 

Photo Brady Quinn started at QB for the Browns in their first three losses, but has been benched.

(James Lang-US PRESSWIRE)

 

But how can the Browns realistically justify that argument at this point? How can they point to Anderson and say he’s the best shot this team has to win? He has been the worst NFL starter not named JaMarcus Russell(notes) this season. Forget theorizing whether Quinn would have helped the Browns win games. Just look at Anderson’s numbers. They are beyond awful. And don’t bother spewing nonsense about Anderson starting the 6-3 win over Buffalo. He went 2 for 17 for 23 yards and an interception in that game. Even mentioning him as part of that victory is a slap in the face of a defense and running game that won in spite of his shortcomings.

 

I’ll submit that when you break down their numbers this season, neither Anderson nor Quinn has been good. They’ve both turned the ball over too much, and they both struggled against good competition. But at the very least, Quinn’s 60.8 completion percentage has shown an ability to be accurate in the short game. And the last time I checked, that is better than Anderson’s ability to be inaccurate all the time. So forget Browns offensive coordinator Brian Daboll lauding Anderson’s preparation and saying he “has nowhere to go but up.” Just look at Anderson’s last three starts: He has posted passer ratings of 15.1, 51.0 and 36.4, and has completed 23 of 70 passes – a 32.8 completion rate. He also has one touchdown against five turnovers.

 

The numbers scream for change. The only thing screaming back is the additional $10.9 million Quinn could be due if the starting job were his. But sometimes losses in the checkbook weigh heavier than anything.

 

Here is a look at some of Week 7’s other winners and losers:

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Hey FYI Quinn sucks balls too. THey both suck ass. GET OVER IT. This guy is a jerk off. If he really thinks Quinn should play in the NFL then he needs capped. Anderson/Quinn are having a competition to see who can play worse. Put the third stringer in. You think the coach is "stupid" for not playing Quinn?!? I think its because he is 10 times worse than Anderson...If it is possible. Im just saying We need to move on without these 2 idiot quaterbacks

 

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I just want to make it clear...

 

When the whole team sucks how can you blame either of these quarterbacks....

 

We all know DA had accuracy problems in 2007 even... Quinn however doesn't

 

Your argument isn't valid. We could make the comparison if we were maybe the saints...

He also won 10 games in 2007. Quinn shit his pants every down he played. Anderson would rather fumble or throw a interception. If you really think Quinn is good.....then you must be blind. I mean no dis respect but come on. We should not have either of these guys in the game. How many games should Quinn have? I say pull the plug on Anderson to.

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He also won 10 games in 2007. Quinn shit his pants every down he played. Anderson would rather fumble or throw a interception. If you really think Quinn is good.....then you must be blind. I mean no dis respect but come on. We should not have either of these guys in the game. How many games should Quinn have? I say pull the plug on Anderson to.

 

I'll say this- Quinn deserves more than 10 quarters of football to prove he sucks. Anderson has had 30 games- his total suckage is indisputable.

 

We aren't going to get jack for either qb in the offseason, so let Anderson get his ass handed to him by a POed Bears team that just got blown out by the Bengals.

 

That gives the Browns the bye week to get Quinn back as the starter. Seriously, Quinn has a better qb rating than DA, for that matter so does Jamarcus Russell, who got yanked for BRUCE GRADOWSKI, remember him? If Mangini thinks Quinn isn't even practice squad material, he should play Ratliff, bring back Bartell, or let Cribbs run the WildDawg the rest of the year.

 

" Another game, another round of snaps keeping Cleveland Browns quarterback Brady Quinn(notes) from earning $10.9 million in salary escalators. With every Derek Anderson(notes) start, fans can only hope the franchise is going to use some of the money it saves by refunding season tickets. "

 

Best idea I've heard yet. If my math is right, I should be owed about a $300 discount on my 2010 season tickets for putting up with this joke that keeps trotting out on the field in Browns uniforms

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Quinn played a couple games last year. I say he had his shot its time to move on. Anderson had way to many shots. Its time for the 3rd string guy

 

Ryan Leaf got 21 starts to prove he sucked. Cade McNoun got 15 starts to prove he sucked- Akilli Smith got 17. We KNOW Anderson sucks. The season's shot- does it really matter anymore? So Quinn in your mind gets like 4,5 and you're certain he a bust? Quinn gets the rest of the season after the bye week to prove he ain't got it.

 

 

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High Comedy

 

If you like physical humor this Cleveland Browns football team is for you. It's not roller-skating monkeys and clown cars but it's pretty damn close.

 

In Sunday's blow-out, 31-3 loss to the Packers the Browns gave you, for your viewing pleasure, multiple center-quarterback exchange fumbles, basic old fumbles, interceptions, hilarious chase scenes involving Eric Wright, Brodney Pool and Packers receiver Donald Driver, failed replay challenges, a short field goal attempt clanging off the upright (loudly) before careening through for three points, and countless other ‘Three Stooges' type moments.

 

http://www.theclevelandfan.com/article_det...257&ref=STO

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Hey FYI Quinn sucks balls too. THey both suck ass. GET OVER IT. This guy is a jerk off. If he really thinks Quinn should play in the NFL then he needs capped. Anderson/Quinn are having a competition to see who can play worse. Put the third stringer in. You think the coach is "stupid" for not playing Quinn?!? I think its because he is 10 times worse than Anderson...If it is possible. Im just saying We need to move on without these 2 idiot quaterbacks

 

It's like comparing who's shit stinks worse. Jimmy Johnson said they're both terrible and their market value is shotso.

 

When DA's agent said "my client is available for higher wages than the Browns are paying him" we got 0 takers. Do I blame Mankok for that? How?

 

The Savage plan was Trent Doofus, Charlie Frye on Deck, DA in the hole and Quinn in the draft. I've heard alot of "fire the OC" chants during this time and "the oline sucks" complaints.

 

Want to know what the worst part of the Savage plan was?

We only had 4 draft picks heading into the 2009 draft

 

That wasn't gonna get reversed overnight while the jets are 1-2 since Edwards arrived and Tampa hasn't won a game since committing to Winslow. DIVAS don't win games - TEAMS do.

- Tom F.

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The truth is as ive said before even payton manning or tom brady would look like shit QBing for this team...perhaps we would score a bit more often and maybe their passer rating might be a bit higher due to sheer determination but not enough to change destiny...dabolls offense is basic and easily dealt with...its not DAs bag or BQs bag...trent edwards would be comfortable in it however..

 

The real losers here are us the fans and the massacred prestige of the browns once glorious history we all fought so hard to keep...as every division lead or bragging point we had has slipped away in the hands of the lerners..

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Ryan Leaf got 21 starts to prove he sucked. Cade McNoun got 15 starts to prove he sucked- Akilli Smith got 17. We KNOW Anderson sucks. The season's shot- does it really matter anymore? So Quinn in your mind gets like 4,5 and you're certain he a bust? Quinn gets the rest of the season after the bye week to prove he ain't got it.

 

But here's the thing. Two coaching staffs have watched the kid practice every day and neither have been sold on him to the point where they had to have him on the field. Now Mangini is looking at paying the kid an $11 million escalator to prove what he thinks he already knows. Maybe Mangini's wrong. Maybe Romeo was wrong. Maybe the Dolphins and every other team needing a QB in waiting between the 3rd and 22nd spots were wrong.

 

But after the first two and a half games do you really think the outcome of any of these games would have been different with Quinn? Or that we'd even be able to tell whether Quinn is a franchise QB? The same drops would be amplified by the media. Did you see the rookies running open yesterday?? We'd be hearing about the need to get weapons around Quinn. We'd be hearing about how the OC doesn't know how to use his talent. All things mostly true considering both QBs, I think -- but things that get said when you have the more popular guy under center.

 

My guess is that Quinn gets his chance at least for the last 7 games. But the bet that $11 million under the cap can help a talent-starved team more than finding out what Mangini already thinks he knows about Quinn seems pretty reasonable to me.

 

BTW, what did McNown, Smith and Leaf prove with those extra starts?

 

Ask Cardinals fans whether the Leinert should have been given 9 more starts to prove he isn't Ryan Leaf.

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Ask Giant fans if they are glad Eli got more chances to start after his first year and a half at playing horribly.

 

2.5 games in this system.... and people think they can judge his future? IDIOTS....

 

AND against VERY GOOD defenses. We must add that, since D.A's claim to starting is a victory over a Buffalo Bills Defense where he still only completed 2 passes

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He also won 10 games in 2007. Quinn shit his pants every down he played. Anderson would rather fumble or throw a interception. If you really think Quinn is good.....then you must be blind. I mean no dis respect but come on. We should not have either of these guys in the game. How many games should Quinn have? I say pull the plug on Anderson to.

 

Stupid statement. Shaun Smith/Ted Washington played NT and won 10 games. Should we bring him back over Shaun Rogers? Shaun Rogers continues to lose games, but we still run him out there every game. Why is that?

 

Oh yeah, football is a team sport, individuals aren't judged on wins, its how they help the team who tries to win as a whole.

 

Fraley won 10 games as center in 2007. Bench the Mack kid, Fraley's a winner.

 

Keep sticking with Jamal Lewis, he won 10 games back in 07, and even more with the Ravens.

 

Obviously, you get my point. I'm not saying Quinn is the answer, i don't think he is. But he gives us a better shot right now, and neither of their trade values are high so taht doesn't matter.

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Stupid statement. Shaun Smith/Ted Washington played NT and won 10 games. Should we bring him back over Shaun Rogers? Shaun Rogers continues to lose games, but we still run him out there every game. Why is that?

 

Oh yeah, football is a team sport, individuals aren't judged on wins, its how they help the team who tries to win as a whole.

 

Fraley won 10 games as center in 2007. Bench the Mack kid, Fraley's a winner.

 

Keep sticking with Jamal Lewis, he won 10 games back in 07, and even more with the Ravens.

 

Obviously, you get my point. I'm not saying Quinn is the answer, i don't think he is. But he gives us a better shot right now, and neither of their trade values are high so taht doesn't matter.

No but we had a selfish tightend who could catch but not block. we had a great vet reciver who never drops a pass (jj) a better oline a better group of dbs (sean jones and Leigh Bodden) Im just saying we had a much better team. And BTW I did love Chud. Not Romeo but I think Chud did a good job calling the plays back in 07

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I'll say this- Quinn deserves more than 10 quarters of football to prove he sucks. Anderson has had 30 games- his total suckage is indisputable.

 

We aren't going to get jack for either qb in the offseason, so let Anderson get his ass handed to him by a POed Bears team that just got blown out by the Bengals.

 

That gives the Browns the bye week to get Quinn back as the starter. Seriously, Quinn has a better qb rating than DA, for that matter so does Jamarcus Russell, who got yanked for BRUCE GRADOWSKI, remember him? If Mangini thinks Quinn isn't even practice squad material, he should play Ratliff, bring back Bartell, or let Cribbs run the WildDawg the rest of the year.

 

" Another game, another round of snaps keeping Cleveland Browns quarterback Brady Quinn(notes) from earning $10.9 million in salary escalators. With every Derek Anderson(notes) start, fans can only hope the franchise is going to use some of the money it saves by refunding season tickets. "

 

Best idea I've heard yet. If my math is right, I should be owed about a $300 discount on my 2010 season tickets for putting up with this joke that keeps trotting out on the field in Browns uniforms

 

 

I agree with almost everything you posted here. The lone subject I disagree with is Cribbs being your QB. He is way too important to your team to take that risk.

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I cant believe were taking about Quinn again, the dude sucks we saw that! If anyone should get a shot put Ratliff in

 

Actually we went 16 hours without talking about it ... but thanks for bringing it up again.

 

Zombo

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Ok, were you watching the games when BQ started, he NEVER had enough time to let the play develop. Mangini is one of the worst coaches I have ever seen, he gets canned in NY so sure, why don't we pick him up to have us suck to, he was constantly under the microscope in NY and now he is here, does anyone realize history repeats itself, and as for BQ V DA, look I'd rather have Quinn because he is probably ten times smarter on the field than Anderson, Anderson is a mediocre QB at best, and so far Quinn isnt much better, but at least he has the brains and potential to work things through.

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