EdwardG Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Phil Savage probably won't be thinking about how awful his drafts were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReginaBrownsFan Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 It's obvious that Bernie knows football, but you don't just bring in a guy and stick him in the all-important GM role. That would be an Al Davis-type move. I'm not a fan of Kokinis - given how invisible he's been, how could one be? -- but it's just weird that you have a situation with a wannabe svengali as coach who apparently has all the power, and an invisible GM, and the GM gets the axe. The only thing I can think of is that Lerner had enough of Kokinis' invisibility and has decided to bring in a VP Ops and a new GM after the year, then let that person make a decision on Mangini, or like you said... Kokinis did something behind the scenes to merit the firing. When is the last time a GM was fired in the middle of a season? I'm sure it's happened, but it seems a bit unusual... Oh boy I think we just became a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel88 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Oh boy I think we just became a joke. Just became!? Dude have you seen the past 10 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClevelandFanForLife Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 there has to be more to this. kokinas did something to piss lerner off. maybe he wouldn't listen to him or was insubordinate but this is not just a terrible record with terrible players thing. i am waiting to hear more about it really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATENEARS Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 We have the worst offense in football, under a rookie Offensive Coordinator, so we fire the GM. Mangini, Ryan and I believe there is another coach on-staff that have Defensive Coordinator experience. Look for an Offensive minded GM-type to come in. That's not Cowher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonedawg Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 New GM: The Chin New President of Football Operations: TUNA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel88 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 New GM: The Chin New President of Football Operations: TUNA! why would Parcells leave Miami for Cleveland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClevelandSound Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 New GM: The Chin New President of Football Operations: TUNA! I would cum in my pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listercat Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 how much does Learner have to dish out in severance pay??? Good God it has to be a tremendous amount....this organization is horrid and a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgpound3 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Rumor on the street is that: New president of football operations would be: And GM would be: Come on, folks, put two and two together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingphisher Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Why Kokinis? Why now? I figured Kokinis would be instrumental in preparing us for the Draft. Exactly. They are not happy with what happened in the last draft and want to install someone who can prepare us for the draft before the season is out. Mack and Robiski aren't exactly lighting things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingphisher Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Kosar will be GM folks. I sure hope not. I don't want to ride in a car with a drunk at the wheel! I can see it now, Bernie slurring during the NFL draft explaining how how traded all our draft picks for a 12 pack of PBR and a washed up qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPusher Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 The only reason I've come up with is Kokinis felt we should keep Quinn on the bench, save the $11 million and play for the draft pick. Lose as many now to get the pick??? Only reason I see that could set Lerner off to fire the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSixPat Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Wise move on Kokinis' part to get the hell out of there or just hapilly take the escort... the whole thing was a lose lose scenario for him right from the start... Lerner made the mistake of making his coach GM - making Mangini the defacto GM and letting Mangini be the one to hire Kokinis Kokins therefore gets the blame if things go bad and none of the credit if anything should go right. Ulitmately this is a slap in the face to the defacto GM as well - the coach - but it will be interesting to see if Mangini truly did throw Kokinis under the bus... that would not be good for Mangini personally if that were the case, as he's pretty suspect in his degree of loyalty to any organization in the first place... seeing him throw a hand-picked lieutenant on a grenade wouldn't exactly give him the hallmark of a respected leader... then again he probably lost that on the bus trip to Hartford and the $1700 waterbottle fine. If Mangini did throw Kokinis under the bus, file it away as another great MangIdiot moment... as Mangnini's the defacto GM himself, and hand-picked Kokinis - and presumably had authority over all personnel moves - this doesn't cast him in the best light. And that light gets even dimmer when one steps back and appreciate's MangIdiot demonstrating that great leadership quality of throwing a loyal lieutenant on a grenade to save himself. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClevelandSound Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 think we will know anything tomorrow morning? or is that too soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Before Kokinis it was Erin O'Brien who got booted out by Lerner. Im wondering if this was due to the water bottle fine and other BS the players had to deal with other than learning their playbooks. Cleveland Browns coach Eric Mangini's trusted confidante Erin O'Brien has been fired, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer. It's a negative sign for Mangini's clout and job security. O'Brien, who came with Mangini from the New York Jets, was in charge of travel arrangements, but botched the transportation for the team's medical workers. According to the Browns, O'Brien officially resigned for "personal reasons." However, she apparently had "burned so many bridges" her job was unsavable. A potential target for Browns owner Randy Lerner is former Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher. here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanpot Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Here are Peter King's latest twitter entries: Just heard from a scouting friend that George Kokinis has been miserable in Cleveland. He wasn't shocked. The problem for Kokinis: If you're going to move to be a GM, you need authority. Mangini had it in Cle. Kokinis should have stayed in Balt. Browns owner Randy Lerner now finds self in unenviable spot of finding a front-office honcho to pair with Mangini. Not exactly a great gig. I mean, how many more high-paid people can the Browns fire? They still owe PSavage 3.5 years' salary! They owe fired employees over $20m. http://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing Beanpot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 If i was Lerner I would have a clause that states if you are demoted from current job you will be reassigned. Maid? Lawnboy? etc. Make them earn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClevelandSound Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 its a recession. lets just blow our money shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFreeze Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 I welcome this move. I'd welcome it more if we know who we want as a replacement in there right away. People have to be held accountable for what's on the field each Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonedawg Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Kokinis must have done something that Lerner really didn't like. Why cut a GM 8 games into his tenure when you haven't seen how his picks are going to pan out or what he is going to do in free agency next year. Something smells bad about this one. Cutting the coach would make more logical sense at this point (not saying he should do that either). This seems like the boss coming into the office and picking someone random to yell at just so everyone knows he is still the boss. If this is a knee-jerk Lerner reaction, then we are going nowhere for a long time to come. Plus, now we can't make mankok jokes anymore and we are just left with Mangini-vagina jokes. Let's just hope that our new GM's last name will be Juice or Meat so can say Manjuice and Manmeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Once again I will point to this thread where I not only called out Mangini as worse than Romeo but also the fact that the GM was nowhere to be found. Mangini VS Romeo who the fcuk cares what you did or when you did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel88 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 My guess to all of this is that Kokinis had no power and wanted out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFreeze Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 The boss/owner of a company shows up to the office. He knows the office already has a bad reputation. He walks in the front door and sees that the place is a wreck, the employees are acting in a manner that embarasses/disgusts him. In short, the place is an epic fail. What choice does the owner have but to fire the guy in charge? Not just fire him, but throw his ass out of there! Much of the trouble with this team stems from a lack of development at the QB position. If it had been handled properly we would still be a developing team but we wouldn't be the laughing stock of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mole644 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Getting rid of Mangini's guy knocks Mangini down a peg, its pretty simple. Kokinis wasnt a real GM, Mangini was making the calls and Kokinis was just mailing in the paper work. Whenever Lerner hires a replacement, Mangini will now finally have someone to answer to, if he is around much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 It seems kind of rash to have fired Kokinis after one draft. What happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardG Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 One thing Lerner should consider is not giving guys extensions until they have TWO good years. The fact that they extended Savage after one good season is idiotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 88fingerslewy Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 "Fired with cause" is the latest from PFT meaning no more money for George. He has a right to grieve with the commissioner who has final say with no right to appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedyd900rr Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 So what exactly does the President of football operations do? I find it odd they hire Bernie then fire Kokinis 2 days later. Maybe he told Bernie the plan was to play DA to save money and let the team take a dive this year? Hope we find out what really happened behind the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardG Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Donovan said tonight on an STO show- i forget the name- that this Kokinis firing was rumored to have been in the works for several weeks. They were hearing whispers about it for several weeks. It apparently wasn't a rash move after yesterday's game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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