The Gipper Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 And FYI, though I provided that link, I have never been on that board. I have never been on any Pittsburgh Steeler board. Why? I don't give a crap about the Steelers. They are not my team. I have no interest in them. I am interested in the Cleveland Browns. I patronize Cleveland Browns boards. Nothing that the Steelers do currently is of any interest to me, other than in telling me that they lost their game. My only interest in them is an historical interest in regard to them being one of many elements of the NFL, and pro football even beyond that. I have as much interest in talking to their fans as I do in talking to the fans of the Las Vegas Locomotives or the Florida Tuskers of the UFL. My view is that anyone patronizing a Browns board is here because the Browns are paramount to their pro football world. Your presence here, whoever you are, wherever you're from is tacit admission of the primacy of the Cleveland Browns. If you do not accept that premise then GO AWAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 I really wish everybody would stop referring to it as dirty play, it's not. It's hard nosed football by an undersized guy. The only people who see it as dirty are wussies, cry babies, whiners, punks, mama's boys, losers, ..........well you get the picture. Cry Baby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Cry Baby? Let Joe tell you about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMwXPueu-RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNSofSTEEL08 Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Most Steeler fans are very friendly and don't want to overrate the Steelers becuase we are being homers. Being a board member of another team is a great way to have football conversations with fans of opposing views, see the NFL from another perspective and most of all, talk some trash! Always comes back to this doesnt it ? What Professor ..you dont want to live on an Island...right ?? It adds perspective and from a fan who isnt drinking the Kool~aid !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Let Joe tell you about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMwXPueu-RM If not Joe, then perhap Janice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjD4eWEUgMM...feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZDAWG Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 NFL (Old) NFL Championship Game # of titles Green Bay Packers (9) Chicago Bears (8) Cleveland Browns (4) Detroit Lions (4) New York Giants (4) AAFC AAFC Championship Cleveland Browns (4) Thats 8 in my book, steelers are still 2 shy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNSofSTEEL08 Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 NFL (Old) NFL Championship Game # of titles Green Bay Packers (9) Chicago Bears (8) Cleveland Browns (4) Detroit Lions (4) New York Giants (4) AAFC AAFC Championship Cleveland Browns (4) Thats 8 in my book, steelers are still 2 shy Hey I will Give you 4... But the AAFC crap (It had like 8 Teams) ? Sorry but No way dude.... Great History though !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Hey I will Give you 4... But the AAFC crap ? No way dude.... Great History though !! What you will give don't mean shit. It is what we HAVE, what we have taken. And it is 13, not 8. We have titles in 1920, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1954, 1955, 1964. You see, Cleveland has so many football titles that karma said to stop gathering them until someone else caught up. And, as yet, NO ONE else has caught up! Green Bay is still one short, Chicago 2 short. When Pittsburgh gets even halfway, call us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNSofSTEEL08 Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 What you will give don't mean shit. It is what we HAVE, what we have taken. And it is 13, not 8. We have titles in 1920, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1954, 1955, 1964. You see, Cleveland has so many football titles that karma said to stop gathering them until someone else caught up. And, as yet, NO ONE else has caught up! Green Bay is still one short, Chicago 2 short. When Pittsburgh gets even halfway, call us. Come on brother You are rolling the 1920`s at me ?? LOL... Sorry man . Apples and Oranges. Whatever it takes though , to motivate you. I understand whee your coming from , but its not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Hey I will Give you 4... But the AAFC crap ? No way dude.... Great History though !! Be honest Freak. Would you say that if the Steelers ruled the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNSofSTEEL08 Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 What you will give don't mean shit. It is what we HAVE, what we have taken. And it is 13, not 8. We have titles in 1920, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1954, 1955, 1964. You see, Cleveland has so many football titles that karma said to stop gathering them until someone else caught up. And, as yet, NO ONE else has caught up! Green Bay is still one short, Chicago 2 short. When Pittsburgh gets even halfway, call us. How many NFL Titles do the Browns Have ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Come on brother You are rolling the 1920`s at me ?? LOL... Sorry man . Apples and Oranges. Whatever it takes though , to motivate you. I understand whee your coming from , but its not the same. I am rolling the FACTS at you. Sorry if they get in the way of your delusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Come on brother You are rolling the 1920`s at me ?? LOL... Sorry man . Apples and Oranges. Whatever it takes though , to motivate you. I understand whee your coming from , but its not the same. Is anyone saying that about the Celtics dynasty? When the Celtics won their 9th straight there were 16 teams in the league, 14 in the AAFL when the Browns dominated. Is anyone saying "Well, the Celtics wore Chuck Taylor's then, and most shots were set shots, so it doesn't count". Hell no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 How many NFL Titles do the Browns Have ??? Can't you do your own research? These are pro football titles won by teams in Northeast Ohio, the Greater Cleveland Area. I guess I have to do everything for you yabos: Years Leagues Champions 2009 NFL 2008 NFL Super Bowl XLIII: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-4) defeated Arizona Cardinals (NFC,9-7), Score: 27-23 2007 NFL Super Bowl XLII: New York Giants (NFC,10-6) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,16-0), Score: 17-14 2006 NFL Super Bowl XLI: Indianapolis Colts (AFC,12-4) defeated Chicago Bears (NFC,13-3), Score: 29-17 2005 NFL Super Bowl XL: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,11-5) defeated Seattle Seahawks (NFC,13-3), Score: 21-10 2004 NFL Super Bowl XXXIX: New England Patriots (AFC,14-2) defeated Philadelphia Eagles (NFC,13-3), Score: 24-21 2003 NFL Super Bowl XXXVIII: New England Patriots (AFC,14-2) defeated Carolina Panthers (NFC,11-5), Score: 32-29 2002 NFL Super Bowl XXXVII: Tampa Bay Buccaneers (NFC,12-4) defeated Oakland Raiders (AFC,11-5), Score: 48-21 2001 NFL Super Bowl XXXVI: New England Patriots (AFC,11-5) defeated St. Louis Rams (NFC,14-2), Score: 20-17 2000 NFL Super Bowl XXXV: Baltimore Ravens (AFC,12-4) defeated New York Giants (NFC,12-4), Score: 34-7 1999 NFL Super Bowl XXXIV: St. Louis Rams (NFC,13-3) defeated Tennessee Titans (AFC,13-3), Score: 23-16 1998 NFL Super Bowl XXXIII: Denver Broncos (AFC,14-2) defeated Atlanta Falcons (NFC,14-2), Score: 34-19 1997 NFL Super Bowl XXXII: Denver Broncos (AFC,12-4) defeated Green Bay Packers (NFC,13-3), Score: 31-24 1996 NFL Super Bowl XXXI: Green Bay Packers (NFC,13-3) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,11-5), Score: 35-21 1995 NFL Super Bowl XXX: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4) defeated Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,11-5), Score: 27-17 1994 NFL Super Bowl XXIX: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,13-3) defeated San Diego Chargers (AFC,11-5), Score: 49-26 1993 NFL Super Bowl XXVIII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,12-4), Score: 30-13 1992 NFL Super Bowl XXVII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,13-3) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,11-5), Score: 52-17 1991 NFL Super Bowl XXVI: Washington Redskins (NFC,14-2) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,13-3), Score: 37-24 1990 NFL Super Bowl XXV: New York Giants (NFC,13-3) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,13-3), Score: 20-19 1989 NFL Super Bowl XXIV: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,14-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,11-5), Score: 55-10 1988 NFL Super Bowl XXIII: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,10-6) defeated Cincinnati Bengals (AFC,12-4), Score: 20-16 1987 NFL Super Bowl XXII: Washington Redskins (NFC,11-4) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,10-4-1), Score: 42-10 1986 NFL Super Bowl XXI: New York Giants (NFC,14-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,11-5), Score: 39-20 1985 NFL Super Bowl XX: Chicago Bears (NFC,15-1) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,11-5), Score: 46-10 1984 NFL Super Bowl XIX: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,15-1) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,14-2), Score: 38-16 1983 NFL Super Bowl XVIII: Los Angeles Raiders (AFC,12-4) defeated Washington Redskins (NFC,14-2), Score: 38-9 1982 NFL Super Bowl XVII: Washington Redskins (NFC,8-1) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,7-2), Score: 27-17 1981 NFL Super Bowl XVI: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,13-3) defeated Cincinnati Bengals (AFC,12-4), Score: 26-21 1980 NFL Super Bowl XV: Oakland Raiders (AFC,11-5) defeated Philadelphia Eagles (NFC,12-4), Score: 27-10 1979 NFL Super Bowl XIV: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-4) defeated Los Angeles Rams (NFC,9-7), Score: 31-19 1978 NFL Super Bowl XIII: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,14-2) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4), Score: 35-31 1977 NFL Super Bowl XII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,12-2), Score: 27-10 1976 NFL Super Bowl XI: Oakland Raiders (AFC,13-1) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,11-2-1), Score: 32-14 1975 NFL Super Bowl X: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-2) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,10-4), Score: 21-17 1974 NFL Super Bowl IX: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,10-3-1) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,10-4), Score: 16-6 1973 NFL Super Bowl VIII: Miami Dolphins (AFC,12-2) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,12-2), Score: 24-7 1972 NFL Super Bowl VII: Miami Dolphins (AFC,14-0) defeated Washington Redskins (NFC,11-3), Score: 14-7 1971 NFL Super Bowl VI: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,11-3) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,10-3-1), Score: 24-3 1970 NFL Super Bowl V: Baltimore Colts (AFC,11-2-1) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,10-4), Score: 16-13 1969 NFL AFL Super Bowl IV: Kansas City Chiefs (AFL,11-3) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFL,12-2), Score: 23-7 1968 NFL AFL Super Bowl III: New York Jets (AFL,11-3) defeated Baltimore Colts (NFL,13-1), Score: 16-7 1967 NFL AFL Super Bowl II: Green Bay Packers (NFL,9-4-1) defeated Oakland Raiders (AFL,13-1), Score: 33-14 1966 NFL AFL Super Bowl I: Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-2) defeated Kansas City Chiefs (AFL,11-2-1), Score: 35-10 1965 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-3-1), Buffalo Bills (AFL,10-3-1) 1964 NFL AFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,10-3-1), Buffalo Bills (AFL,12-2) 1963 NFL AFL Chicago Bears (NFL,11-1-2), San Diego Chargers (AFL,11-3) 1962 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,13-1), Dallas Texans (AFL,11-3) 1961 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,11-3), Houston Oilers (AFL,10-3-1) 1960 NFL AFL Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,10-2), Houston Oilers (AFL,10-4) 1959 NFL Baltimore Colts (NFL,9-3) 1958 NFL Baltimore Colts (NFL,9-3) 1957 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,8-4) 1956 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-3-1) 1955 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,9-2-1) 1954 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,9-3) 1953 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,10-2) 1952 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,9-3) 1951 NFL Los Angeles Rams (NFL,8-4) 1950 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,10-2) 1949 NFL AAFC Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,11-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,9-1-2) 1948 NFL AAFC Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,9-2-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,14-0) 1947 NFL AAFC Chicago Cardinals (NFL,9-3), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,12-1-1) 1946 NFL AAFC Chicago Bears (NFL,8-2-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,12-2) 1945 NFL Cleveland Rams (NFL,9-1) 1944 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,8-2) 1943 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,8-1-1) 1942 NFL Washington Redskins (NFL,10-1) 1941 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,10-1) 1940 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,8-3) 1939 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,9-2) 1938 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-2-1) 1937 NFL Washington Redskins (NFL,8-3) 1936 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-1-1) 1935 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,7-3-2) 1934 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-5) 1933 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,10-2-1) 1932 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,7-1-6) 1931 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-2) 1930 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-3-1) 1929 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-0-1) 1928 NFL Providence Steam Roller (NFL,8-1-2) 1927 NFL New York Giants (NFL,11-1-1) 1926 NFL Frankford Yellow Jackets (NFL,14-1-2) 1925 NFL Chicago Cardinals (NFL,11-2-1) 1924 NFL Cleveland Bulldogs (NFL,7-1-1) 1923 NFL Canton Bulldogs (NFL,11-0-1) 1922 NFL Canton Bulldogs (NFL,10-0-2) 1921 APFA Chicago Staleys (APFA,9-1-1) 1920 APFA Akron Pros (APFA,8-0-3) FYI, anything that say Akron/Canton/Cleveland is in Northeast Ohio, in case you need that geography lesson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSG Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 NFL (Old) NFL Championship Game # of titles Green Bay Packers (9) Chicago Bears (8) Cleveland Browns (4) Detroit Lions (4) New York Giants (4) AAFC AAFC Championship Cleveland Browns (4) Thats 8 in my book, steelers are still 2 shy You guys with this garbage get so ridiculous. You are desperate to claim your 8 Championships. Where are the trophies for those games? Who did you play? NUMBER ONE - The NFL Championship and the Super Bowl are NOT the same thing. Want proof--go to the Minnesota Vikings and Baltimore Colts, who in 1970 and 1969 respectively, won the NFL Championship and lost the Super Bowl. They do not represent the same thing. NUMBER TWO - The NFL does not recognize the AAFC Championship Games. This is the league you compete in, you won only 4 of the league titles of the league you compete in. Winning the other championships against teams that saw 7 of the 10 teams immediately fold, and an 8th team shortly thereafter. Yet you try to legitimize that league as if it were quality competition. NUMBER THREE - The NFL itself does not recognize the NFL Championship at the same level as it does the Super Bowl. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Championship_Game After the 1970 AFL–NFL merger and the emergence of the Super Bowl, all NFL league championship games prior to merger are listed along with the NFC conference championship games in the NFL's official records. NUMBER FOUR - Other factors--the NFL Championship was played with a rotating home field advantage. You didn't even need to EARN it, you simply got it similar to the way the World Series used to work, except it was the one game scenario on your home field. 3 of the Browns 4 NFL Championships were won on their own home field. There was no playoff....winning your conference was the same as winning your division today...a regular season title. The only exception was in the exception of a regular season tie--a one game playoff would occur. In order for the Browns to win their 4 NFL Titles, they had to win 5 post season games. By contrast, to win their 6 Super Bowls, the Steelers had to win 19 post season games.....a much greater challenge. NUMBER FIVE - Your AAFC Championships were won against defunct teams. You are trying to make them as legit as the NFL. The NFL does not consider the USFL Champs or WFL Champs on equal footing as the NFL Champs, why would they the AAFC? I have made these statements here before, but not one of you has been able to come back to them. All you say is, "oh, we got 8 Championships" You are so weak, just turn your computer off next time you want to try to flex your muscles, you have none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 To further translate and summarize here is the count: Cleve/Akron/Canton: 13 Green Bay: 12 Chicago: 11 NY/NJ: 8 San Fran/Oak/SJ 7 Dallas/Ft. Worth 6 Pittsburgh 6 Washington D.C. 5 Philadelphia 4 Detroit 4 Boston/Providence 4 Baltimore 4 Miami 2 Buffalo 2 Denver 2 LA/Anaheim 2 Kansas City 1 St. Louis 1 San Diego 1 Tampa/St. Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 You guys with this garbage get so ridiculous. You are desperate to claim your 8 Championships. Where are the trophies for those games? Who did you play? NUMBER ONE - The NFL Championship and the Super Bowl are NOT the same thing. Want proof--go to the Minnesota Vikings and Baltimore Colts, who in 1970 and 1969 respectively, won the NFL Championship and lost the Super Bowl. They do not represent the same thing. NUMBER TWO - The NFL does not recognize the AAFC Championship Games. This is the league you compete in, you won only 4 of the league titles of the league you compete in. Winning the other championships against teams that saw 7 of the 10 teams immediately fold, and an 8th team shortly thereafter. Yet you try to legitimize that league as if it were quality competition. NUMBER THREE - The NFL itself does not recognize the NFL Championship at the same level as it does the Super Bowl. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Championship_Game After the 1970 AFL–NFL merger and the emergence of the Super Bowl, all NFL league championship games prior to merger are listed along with the NFC conference championship games in the NFL's official records. NUMBER FOUR - Other factors--the NFL Championship was played with a rotating home field advantage. You didn't even need to EARN it, you simply got it similar to the way the World Series used to work, except it was the one game scenario on your home field. 3 of the Browns 4 NFL Championships were won on their own home field. There was no playoff....winning your conference was the same as winning your division today...a regular season title. The only exception was in the exception of a regular season tie--a one game playoff would occur. In order for the Browns to win their 4 NFL Titles, they had to win 5 post season games. By contrast, to win their 6 Super Bowls, the Steelers had to win 19 post season games.....a much greater challenge. NUMBER FIVE - Your AAFC Championships were won against defunct teams. You are trying to make them as legit as the NFL. The NFL does not consider the USFL Champs or WFL Champs on equal footing as the NFL Champs, why would they the AAFC? I have made these statements here before, but not one of you has been able to come back to them. All you say is, "oh, we got 8 Championships" You are so weak, just turn your computer off next time you want to try to flex your muscles, you have none. You are the one that has to spin a spider web around your dick to try to discredit history. All we gotta do is count. Starting with ONE. I can discount every single one of your alleged arguments. But, I don't need to. Because, as a lawyer, I know the adage: "When the facts are against you, argue the law. When the law is against you, argue the facts. When the facts and the law are against you, pull shit out of your ass. You see, I have the facts AND the law on my side. And what you have is shit out of your ass. No need for me to touch that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 If you really want tit for tat on those so called arguments, I can certainly give them. But I don't see any reason to. The only one worthy of an explanation has to do with why the NFL doesn't wish to recognize the AAFC titles, and it comes down to one factor: The jealousy and resentment of one Mr. Bert Bell. NFL Commissioner at the time the AAFC and NFL merged, AND, the owner of the Philadelphia Eagles. The nefarious reason Bell gave for not wanting to recognize AAFC records is because, he claimed" some of the original game statistic sheets of AAFC games were not preserved". Yet, the Pro Football HOF, and the Elias Sports Burear, official statistician of the NFL each had/have access to the game stat sheets or copies thereof. Not a single punt, throw, or kick of the action of AAFC games in not capable of being traced. The fact is, Bert Bell did not want to recognize the AAFC records because, as owner of two time defending NFL champs Philadelphia Eagles he could not bring himself to admit that the AAFC was at times the superior league with the superior teams. And when it was ultimately mandated that the Browns and a couple of other AAFC teams be merged into the NFL he sat with abhorrance and shame that in the very first game of the 1950 season that the defending AAFC champion Browns wiped the field up and down with his defending NFL champion Eagles. And THAT is why he made his petulant decree to not recognize AAFC statistics. He was a beaten, petty, yet still powerful individual. He couldn't have the better of the Browns and their AAFC legacy on the field, so he decided to attempt to have it with the stroke of his poison pen. And That's the history. The HOF, the Sporting News (pre-eminent sporting publication at the time, and still very respected), Elias Sports Bureau, and every single other reputable sports reporting or statistical organization recognizes the AAFC. But now you know why the NFL doesn't. They don't want to tarnish Bert Bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNSofSTEEL08 Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Be honest Freak. Would you say that if the Steelers ruled the league? I cant Honestly answer that , because I am not in that position , But, from the outside looking in I dont see them as the Same as NFL Titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNSofSTEEL08 Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Is anyone saying that about the Celtics dynasty? When the Celtics won their 9th straight there were 16 teams in the league, 14 in the AAFL when the Browns dominated. Is anyone saying "Well, the Celtics wore Chuck Taylor's then, and most shots were set shots, so it doesn't count". Hell no. 16 teams isnt 7 and 8. And it was THE ...NBA. not some offshoot league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNSofSTEEL08 Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Can't you do your own research? These are pro football titles won by teams in Northeast Ohio, the Greater Cleveland Area. I guess I have to do everything for you yabos: Years Leagues Champions 2009 NFL 2008 NFL Super Bowl XLIII: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-4) defeated Arizona Cardinals (NFC,9-7), Score: 27-23 2007 NFL Super Bowl XLII: New York Giants (NFC,10-6) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,16-0), Score: 17-14 2006 NFL Super Bowl XLI: Indianapolis Colts (AFC,12-4) defeated Chicago Bears (NFC,13-3), Score: 29-17 2005 NFL Super Bowl XL: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,11-5) defeated Seattle Seahawks (NFC,13-3), Score: 21-10 2004 NFL Super Bowl XXXIX: New England Patriots (AFC,14-2) defeated Philadelphia Eagles (NFC,13-3), Score: 24-21 2003 NFL Super Bowl XXXVIII: New England Patriots (AFC,14-2) defeated Carolina Panthers (NFC,11-5), Score: 32-29 2002 NFL Super Bowl XXXVII: Tampa Bay Buccaneers (NFC,12-4) defeated Oakland Raiders (AFC,11-5), Score: 48-21 2001 NFL Super Bowl XXXVI: New England Patriots (AFC,11-5) defeated St. Louis Rams (NFC,14-2), Score: 20-17 2000 NFL Super Bowl XXXV: Baltimore Ravens (AFC,12-4) defeated New York Giants (NFC,12-4), Score: 34-7 1999 NFL Super Bowl XXXIV: St. Louis Rams (NFC,13-3) defeated Tennessee Titans (AFC,13-3), Score: 23-16 1998 NFL Super Bowl XXXIII: Denver Broncos (AFC,14-2) defeated Atlanta Falcons (NFC,14-2), Score: 34-19 1997 NFL Super Bowl XXXII: Denver Broncos (AFC,12-4) defeated Green Bay Packers (NFC,13-3), Score: 31-24 1996 NFL Super Bowl XXXI: Green Bay Packers (NFC,13-3) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,11-5), Score: 35-21 1995 NFL Super Bowl XXX: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4) defeated Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,11-5), Score: 27-17 1994 NFL Super Bowl XXIX: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,13-3) defeated San Diego Chargers (AFC,11-5), Score: 49-26 1993 NFL Super Bowl XXVIII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,12-4), Score: 30-13 1992 NFL Super Bowl XXVII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,13-3) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,11-5), Score: 52-17 1991 NFL Super Bowl XXVI: Washington Redskins (NFC,14-2) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,13-3), Score: 37-24 1990 NFL Super Bowl XXV: New York Giants (NFC,13-3) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,13-3), Score: 20-19 1989 NFL Super Bowl XXIV: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,14-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,11-5), Score: 55-10 1988 NFL Super Bowl XXIII: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,10-6) defeated Cincinnati Bengals (AFC,12-4), Score: 20-16 1987 NFL Super Bowl XXII: Washington Redskins (NFC,11-4) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,10-4-1), Score: 42-10 1986 NFL Super Bowl XXI: New York Giants (NFC,14-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,11-5), Score: 39-20 1985 NFL Super Bowl XX: Chicago Bears (NFC,15-1) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,11-5), Score: 46-10 1984 NFL Super Bowl XIX: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,15-1) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,14-2), Score: 38-16 1983 NFL Super Bowl XVIII: Los Angeles Raiders (AFC,12-4) defeated Washington Redskins (NFC,14-2), Score: 38-9 1982 NFL Super Bowl XVII: Washington Redskins (NFC,8-1) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,7-2), Score: 27-17 1981 NFL Super Bowl XVI: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,13-3) defeated Cincinnati Bengals (AFC,12-4), Score: 26-21 1980 NFL Super Bowl XV: Oakland Raiders (AFC,11-5) defeated Philadelphia Eagles (NFC,12-4), Score: 27-10 1979 NFL Super Bowl XIV: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-4) defeated Los Angeles Rams (NFC,9-7), Score: 31-19 1978 NFL Super Bowl XIII: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,14-2) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4), Score: 35-31 1977 NFL Super Bowl XII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,12-2), Score: 27-10 1976 NFL Super Bowl XI: Oakland Raiders (AFC,13-1) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,11-2-1), Score: 32-14 1975 NFL Super Bowl X: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-2) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,10-4), Score: 21-17 1974 NFL Super Bowl IX: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,10-3-1) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,10-4), Score: 16-6 1973 NFL Super Bowl VIII: Miami Dolphins (AFC,12-2) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,12-2), Score: 24-7 1972 NFL Super Bowl VII: Miami Dolphins (AFC,14-0) defeated Washington Redskins (NFC,11-3), Score: 14-7 1971 NFL Super Bowl VI: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,11-3) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,10-3-1), Score: 24-3 1970 NFL Super Bowl V: Baltimore Colts (AFC,11-2-1) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,10-4), Score: 16-13 1969 NFL AFL Super Bowl IV: Kansas City Chiefs (AFL,11-3) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFL,12-2), Score: 23-7 1968 NFL AFL Super Bowl III: New York Jets (AFL,11-3) defeated Baltimore Colts (NFL,13-1), Score: 16-7 1967 NFL AFL Super Bowl II: Green Bay Packers (NFL,9-4-1) defeated Oakland Raiders (AFL,13-1), Score: 33-14 1966 NFL AFL Super Bowl I: Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-2) defeated Kansas City Chiefs (AFL,11-2-1), Score: 35-10 1965 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-3-1), Buffalo Bills (AFL,10-3-1) 1964 NFL AFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,10-3-1), Buffalo Bills (AFL,12-2) 1963 NFL AFL Chicago Bears (NFL,11-1-2), San Diego Chargers (AFL,11-3) 1962 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,13-1), Dallas Texans (AFL,11-3) 1961 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,11-3), Houston Oilers (AFL,10-3-1) 1960 NFL AFL Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,10-2), Houston Oilers (AFL,10-4) 1959 NFL Baltimore Colts (NFL,9-3) 1958 NFL Baltimore Colts (NFL,9-3) 1957 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,8-4) 1956 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-3-1) 1955 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,9-2-1) 1954 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,9-3) 1953 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,10-2) 1952 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,9-3) 1951 NFL Los Angeles Rams (NFL,8-4) 1950 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,10-2) 1949 NFL AAFC Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,11-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,9-1-2) 1948 NFL AAFC Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,9-2-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,14-0) 1947 NFL AAFC Chicago Cardinals (NFL,9-3), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,12-1-1) 1946 NFL AAFC Chicago Bears (NFL,8-2-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,12-2) 1945 NFL Cleveland Rams (NFL,9-1) 1944 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,8-2) 1943 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,8-1-1) 1942 NFL Washington Redskins (NFL,10-1) 1941 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,10-1) 1940 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,8-3) 1939 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,9-2) 1938 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-2-1) 1937 NFL Washington Redskins (NFL,8-3) 1936 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-1-1) 1935 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,7-3-2) 1934 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-5) 1933 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,10-2-1) 1932 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,7-1-6) 1931 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-2) 1930 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-3-1) 1929 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-0-1) 1928 NFL Providence Steam Roller (NFL,8-1-2) 1927 NFL New York Giants (NFL,11-1-1) 1926 NFL Frankford Yellow Jackets (NFL,14-1-2) 1925 NFL Chicago Cardinals (NFL,11-2-1) 1924 NFL Cleveland Bulldogs (NFL,7-1-1) 1923 NFL Canton Bulldogs (NFL,11-0-1) 1922 NFL Canton Bulldogs (NFL,10-0-2) 1921 APFA Chicago Staleys (APFA,9-1-1) 1920 APFA Akron Pros (APFA,8-0-3) FYI, anything that say Akron/Canton/Cleveland is in Northeast Ohio, in case you need that geography lesson The CLEVELAND BROWNS have 4 NFL Titles. Just because Tom Hanks painted a face on a Volleyball didn't make "Wilson" a Real Person !!! And just because you say PRO FOOTBALL TITLES Doesn't make Them NFL Titles ....Smart ass. I didn't ASK for YOU to do my research . I asked YOU how many NFL Titles the Browns had. The 4 they have is a nice Number.... And I respect the Browns History. But don't try to pawn off AAFC Titles and freaking titles in by OTHER Northeaster Ohio Teams as something Relevant as to how many NFL .... NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE Titles the Cleveland Browns have !!! Be proud of what your team did not some embellishment of it !! AAFC Titles nice but basically even by the Name of the Association they were CONFERENCE Titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Say, there are high school volleyball teams, too... The Steelers didn't have steriods back in the early days... Wilson was SO real. Woodrow Wilson From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Woodrow wilson) 28th President of the United States In office March 4, 1913 – March 4, 1921 Vice President Thomas R. Marshall Preceded by William Howard Taft Succeeded by Warren G. Harding -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34th Governor of New Jersey In office January 17, 1911 – March 1, 1913 Preceded by John Franklin Fort Succeeded by James Fairman Fielder -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13th President of Princeton University In office 1902 – 1910 Preceded by Francis L. Patton Succeeded by John Aikman Stewart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Born December 28, 1856(1856-12-28) Staunton, Virginia Died February 3, 1924 (aged 67) Washington, D.C. Birth name Thomas Woodrow Wilson Political party Democratic Spouse(s) Ellen Axson Wilson Edith Bolling Galt Wilson Children Margaret Woodrow Wilson Jessie Wilson Eleanor R. Wilson Alma mater Princeton University Johns Hopkins University Profession Academic (History, Political science) Religion Presbyterian Signature Thomas Woodrow Wilson (December 28, 1856–February 3, 1924)[1] was the 28th President of the United States. A leading intellectual of the Progressive Era, he served as President of Princeton University from 1902 to 1910, and then as the Governor of New Jersey from 1911 to 1913. With Theodore Roosevelt and William Howard Taft dividing the Republican Party vote, Wilson was elected President as a Democrat in 1912. To date he is the only President to hold a doctorate of philosophy (PhD) degree and the only President to serve in a political office in New Jersey before election to the Presidency. In his first term, Wilson persuaded a Democratic Congress to pass the Federal Reserve Act,[2] Federal Trade Commission, the Clayton Antitrust Act, the Federal Farm Loan Act and America's first-ever federal progressive income tax in the Revenue Act of 1913. In a move that garnered a backlash from civil rights groups, and is still criticized today, Wilson allowed segregation in many federal agencies,[3][4] which involved firing black workers from numerous posts.[5] Narrowly re-elected in 1916, Wilson's second term centered on World War I. He based his re-election campaign around the slogan "he kept us out of the war," but U.S. neutrality would be short-lived. When the German government proposed to Mexico in the Zimmermann Telegram a military alliance in a war against the U.S. (promising the return of Arizona, New Mexico and Texas), and began unrestricted submarine warfare, Wilson in April 1917 asked Congress to declare war. He focused on diplomacy and financial considerations, leaving the waging of the war primarily in the hands of the Army. On the home front, he began the United States' first effective draft in 1917, raised billions in war funding through Liberty Bonds, set up the War Industries Board, promoted labor union growth, supervised agriculture and food production through the Lever Act, took over control of the railroads, enacted the first federal drug prohibition, and suppressed anti-war movements. National women's suffrage was also achieved under Wilson's presidency. In the late stages of the war, Wilson took personal control of negotiations with Germany, including the armistice. He issued his Fourteen Points, his view of a post-war world that could avoid another terrible conflict. He went to Paris in 1919 to create the League of Nations and shape the Treaty of Versailles, with special attention on creating new nations out of defunct empires. Largely for his efforts to form the League, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. In 1919, during the bitter fight with the Republican-controlled Senate over the U.S. joining the League of Nations, Wilson collapsed with a debilitating stroke. He refused to compromise, effectively destroying any chance for ratification. The League of Nations was established anyway, but the United States never joined. Wilson's idealistic internationalism, now referred to as "Wilsonianism", which calls for the United States to enter the world arena to fight for democracy, has been a contentious position in American foreign policy, serving as a model for "idealists" to emulate and "realists" to reject ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNSofSTEEL08 Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 You are the one that has to spin a spider web around your dick to try to discredit history. All we gotta do is count. Starting with ONE. I can discount every single one of your alleged arguments. But, I don't need to. Because, as a lawyer, I know the adage: "When the facts are against you, argue the law. When the law is against you, argue the facts. When the facts and the law are against you, pull shit out of your ass. You see, I have the facts AND the law on my side. And what you have is shit out of your ass. No need for me to touch that. A Lawyer and You are spouting this crap , now that makes sense. Professional SPIN ~Artist !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allaneddie Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 This is very interesting history lessons. There are a lot of some sort of championships that went to teams from northeast Ohio. But to say that this means the Cleveland Browns have a claim to all those championships is more than a stretch. It's a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNSofSTEEL08 Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Say, there are high school volleyball teams, too... The Steelers didn't have steriods back in the early days... Wilson was SO real. Woodrow Wilson From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Woodrow wilson) 28th President of the United States In office March 4, 1913 – March 4, 1921 Vice President Thomas R. Marshall Preceded by William Howard Taft Succeeded by Warren G. Harding -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34th Governor of New Jersey In office January 17, 1911 – March 1, 1913 Preceded by John Franklin Fort Succeeded by James Fairman Fielder -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13th President of Princeton University In office 1902 – 1910 Preceded by Francis L. Patton Succeeded by John Aikman Stewart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Born December 28, 1856(1856-12-28) Staunton, Virginia Died February 3, 1924 (aged 67) Washington, D.C. Birth name Thomas Woodrow Wilson Political party Democratic Spouse(s) Ellen Axson Wilson Edith Bolling Galt Wilson Children Margaret Woodrow Wilson Jessie Wilson Eleanor R. Wilson Alma mater Princeton University Johns Hopkins University Profession Academic (History, Political science) Religion Presbyterian Signature Thomas Woodrow Wilson (December 28, 1856–February 3, 1924)[1] was the 28th President of the United States. A leading intellectual of the Progressive Era, he served as President of Princeton University from 1902 to 1910, and then as the Governor of New Jersey from 1911 to 1913. With Theodore Roosevelt and William Howard Taft dividing the Republican Party vote, Wilson was elected President as a Democrat in 1912. To date he is the only President to hold a doctorate of philosophy (PhD) degree and the only President to serve in a political office in New Jersey before election to the Presidency. In his first term, Wilson persuaded a Democratic Congress to pass the Federal Reserve Act,[2] Federal Trade Commission, the Clayton Antitrust Act, the Federal Farm Loan Act and America's first-ever federal progressive income tax in the Revenue Act of 1913. In a move that garnered a backlash from civil rights groups, and is still criticized today, Wilson allowed segregation in many federal agencies,[3][4] which involved firing black workers from numerous posts.[5] Narrowly re-elected in 1916, Wilson's second term centered on World War I. He based his re-election campaign around the slogan "he kept us out of the war," but U.S. neutrality would be short-lived. When the German government proposed to Mexico in the Zimmermann Telegram a military alliance in a war against the U.S. (promising the return of Arizona, New Mexico and Texas), and began unrestricted submarine warfare, Wilson in April 1917 asked Congress to declare war. He focused on diplomacy and financial considerations, leaving the waging of the war primarily in the hands of the Army. On the home front, he began the United States' first effective draft in 1917, raised billions in war funding through Liberty Bonds, set up the War Industries Board, promoted labor union growth, supervised agriculture and food production through the Lever Act, took over control of the railroads, enacted the first federal drug prohibition, and suppressed anti-war movements. National women's suffrage was also achieved under Wilson's presidency. In the late stages of the war, Wilson took personal control of negotiations with Germany, including the armistice. He issued his Fourteen Points, his view of a post-war world that could avoid another terrible conflict. He went to Paris in 1919 to create the League of Nations and shape the Treaty of Versailles, with special attention on creating new nations out of defunct empires. Largely for his efforts to form the League, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. In 1919, during the bitter fight with the Republican-controlled Senate over the U.S. joining the League of Nations, Wilson collapsed with a debilitating stroke. He refused to compromise, effectively destroying any chance for ratification. The League of Nations was established anyway, but the United States never joined. Wilson's idealistic internationalism, now referred to as "Wilsonianism", which calls for the United States to enter the world arena to fight for democracy, has been a contentious position in American foreign policy, serving as a model for "idealists" to emulate and "realists" to reject ever since. Ha HA Ha .... Thats a LOTTA Effort for a laugh. But I did laugh . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neohionative Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 You've used this argument twice in this thread, where the hell does hitting a guy hard translate to a lack of caring about injury? Neo ********************************** Not hitting hard, hitting blindside cheapshot well away from the play and/or after the play is over. That's when you just want to be feared, and couldn't care less if the guy he hits ends up in a wheel chair for life, etc. Obviously, you didn't get it the first time, maybe the third time will be the charm? ********************************** Sure on the far end of the spectrum there's a line that gets crossed but that's only when an action will definitely cause problems. ********************************** So. what's the problem? The line gets crossed, well uncalled for, not in legit action, so your disagreement is... what? ************************************ And from a Browns fan no less, we all laugh and cheer for the Bradshaw pile driver. ************************************ No, we didn't all. But, Bradshaw was trying to pull away from Jones, and Jones was tackling him, and nailed him, which was uncalled for. Bradshaw could have gotten a broken neck. ************************************ If you do to, then you're an f'ing hypocrite when you use this argument. ************************************ I don't, and I'm very consistent about it. You are wrong. Be very quiet, because if you don't, you are an f'in hypocrite. ************************************ A blind side hit from a smaller wide receiver is not going to permanantly injure a large defensive lineman, and while its not dainty and ruled by decorum, is still a legal manuever. Rub some dirt in it and move on. ************************************ Away from and after the play? It most certainly is not a "legal maneuver" . You didn't spell "maneuver" correctly, btw... And "smaller wide receiver" can't injure a defensive lineman on a blind side hit? I call seriously, outrageously and histerical bullship. If we're going to be a little nancy about spelling, hysterical has a 'y' in it. Outrageous and hysterical you say, well raise your BS flag all you want, cause all most of us are ingoring it. And if these hits are not legal, why is he not fined/penalized more often. If it's so blatent, I'm sure the refs would notice, or the announcers, or the other players... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neohionative Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 OK, I'm going to ask an obvious question because I'm a newbie here: Why on earth are there Hines Ward/Steelers fans on this board? I wouldn't dream of visiting a Steelers fan board. Ever. Why would I??? There's a difference between being a Stooler fan, or even a Ward fan, and having the combination of football knowledge and integrity to point out when an opponent is worthy. There were more players on that list like Jared Allen and Troy Polamalu that are widely regarded as the best at their position in the league that aren't dirty players either, it just focuses mostly on Hines because it's a Browns board. And the main instigator continually bitching about Hines being a cheater, is also one of the few fans on the board that call Polamalu a sissy; knowing damn well there'd be a statue of him in Gateway if he were playing in Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neohionative Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 To further translate and summarize here is the count: Cleve/Akron/Canton: 13 Green Bay: 12 Chicago: 11 NY/NJ: 8 San Fran/Oak/SJ 7 Dallas/Ft. Worth 6 Pittsburgh 6 Washington D.C. 5 Philadelphia 4 Detroit 4 Boston/Providence 4 Baltimore 4 Miami 2 Buffalo 2 Denver 2 LA/Anaheim 2 Kansas City 1 St. Louis 1 San Diego 1 Tampa/St. Pete 1 Oh come now, are you really playing the Cleveland+ BS that far back? Man we've got a proud enough history without that argument, it just makes us look silly. Paul Brown and our team defined a majority of what is modern professional football, let that be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 16 teams isnt 7 and 8. And it was THE ...NBA. not some offshoot league. Again you look like the hillbilly Retard you are. There were 14 teams in 1964. Look it up numb nuts. And a defunct league? All 14 teams are now in the NFL, how is that defunct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Oh come now, are you really playing the Cleveland+ BS that far back? Man we've got a proud enough history without that argument, it just makes us look silly. Paul Brown and our team defined a majority of what is modern professional football, let that be enough. I am simply giving the facts, ma'am. I am an amateur historian about sports history of a sorts. That your mind cannot digest that history doesn't mean the history didn't happen. Some day, perhaps, you might like to know who won the Revolutionary War. (or does that go back too far for you?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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