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FWIW, I live in South Windsor, Ct and have always supported the town selection of this site. I have never been there.

 

ACLU, others seek information from schools about using church for graduation

By Kory Loucks Journal Inquirer Monday, November 16, 2009

 

 

The American Civil Liberties Union Foundation of Connecticut and the Connecticut members of Americans United for Separation of Church and State have filed freedom of information requests with area school systems seeking information about holding their high school graduation ceremonies at First Cathedral in Bloomfield.

 

Alex J. Luchenitser, senior litigation council with Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said, “We’ve received complaints over the years and we decided to work together to convince the school districts to stop using this facility.”

He continued, “Hopefully the school districts will decide to move to one of the many secular options they have.”

 

The freedom of information requests, which were sent to East Hartford, Enfield, South Windsor, and Windsor schools, asks that officials provide detailed information to Luchenitser in Washington, D.C., including contracts, newsletters, invoices, promotional materials, and video tapes, in the case of Windsor, going back more than 10 years.

First Cathedral, a Baptist church, has indoor seating for about 3,000 people.

 

The request to South Windsor, dated Nov. 4, asks for documentation relating to or referring to holding graduation ceremonies at First Cathedral since June 30, 2003.

 

South Windsor School Superintendent Robert E. Kozaczka said the town has held its graduation ceremonies at the church for three years.

 

Windsor has been using First Cathedral for its graduations since 1999, except for one year because of scheduling conflicts, School Superintendent Elizabeth Feser said.

 

Although the requests ask for information to be supplied by Nov. 25, Kozaczka told South Windsor Board of Education members last week that he doesn’t have enough staff to be able to provide all the information by that date.

 

Luchenitser said that although state law provides four days for the school systems to offer the information, he felt that because of the scope of the request an extension until Nov. 25 was “pretty reasonable.”

 

Luchenitser added, “We would be willing to work with them on a time frame.”

 

However, Enfield School Superintendent John Gallacher said his interpretation of the law is that he only has to acknowledge receipt of the request within the four days and tell the ACLU the request is being worked on.

 

Gallacher said he has not met with the new Board of Education since the November election, and that the issue is not on the agenda Tuesday.

 

Gallacher said it is the Enfield Board of Education’s responsibility to decide where Enfield’s two high schools, Fermi High School and Enfield High School, hold their graduation ceremonies.

 

Feser also said it is up to the Windsor Board of Education to choose a graduation venue and she has not discussed it at a school board meeting.

 

East Hartford School Superintendent Mark F. Zito could not be reached for comment.

 

The Capitol Region Education Council’s magnet school, the Metropolitan Learning Center in Bloomfield, also received a freedom of information request, according to Luchenitser.

 

At the South Windsor school board meeting, board member Richard Mabey said the courts have upheld the right for schools to rent their facilities to faith-based organizations and this is a similar situation.

 

However, Luchenitser said Thursday that renting school facilities to religious organizations and holding school-sponsored events at a church are not the same thing.

 

“That’s a very different situation,” Luchenitser said. “Students and family members are being coerced to attend a place where they wouldn’t necessarily go” when schools hold their graduations in places of worship.

 

“No student and no parent should have their graduation ruined and have a religion they don’t believe in being imposed on them in order to attend a graduation,” Luchenitser said. “It should be a celebration of the 12 years the student was in school. Graduation should be the one event that parents and students have that they should fully enjoy.”

 

Kozaczka informed the school board that he and High School Principal Daniel P. Sullivan III are actively seeking other graduation venues.

 

Luchenitser responded positively to that news, saying that if that were the case, he likely would seek significantly less documentation.

 

“Our main goal is to stop the schools from using the church for graduations in the future,” Luchenitser said.

 

Kozaczka said the primary reason behind considering other graduation locations is to avoid expensive and extensive litigation.

 

 

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I think the question to be asked is why do people push the seperation of church and state? especially if it has to do with a christian based faith.

 

I would assume these same peoplewould do nothing if this was held in a muslim mosque, they would stay silent so they would not appear to be racists or outside of the pc crowd.

 

Can we say that these people are destroying America.

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I think the question to be asked is why do people push the seperation of church and state? especially if it has to do with a christian based faith.

 

I would assume these same peoplewould do nothing if this was held in a muslim mosque, they would stay silent so they would not appear to be racists or outside of the pc crowd.

 

Can we say that these people are destroying America.

 

the push for the seperation is important T, christianity is the same to me as the muslim religion. While there are moderate intelligent people there has to be seperation because you will always have a more conservative/extremists trying to influence things.... Ie the intelligent design propaganda.

 

Quite frankly i dont want my children to be educated or influenced toward any particular religion. AFTER they are adults they should have all the necessary components to make their own decisions.

 

I honestly find Christianity to be quite pagan and primitive so the seperation is important for me. This is just my opinion not something that is derogatory to its followers.

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the push for the seperation is important T, christianity is the same to me as the muslim religion. While there are moderate intelligent people there has to be seperation because you will always have a more conservative/extremists trying to influence things.... Ie the intelligent design propaganda.

 

Quite frankly i dont want my children to be educated or influenced toward any particular religion. AFTER they are adults they should have all the necessary components to make their own decisions.

 

I honestly find Christianity to be quite pagan and primitive so the seperation is important for me. This is just my opinion not something that is derogatory to its followers.

 

 

Welcome to America, isn't it great to have freedom of choice to worship whatever religion you feel comfortable with.

 

I do disagree with you on saying cristianity is the same as the muslim faith, I dont see Jesus calling for the heads of all non believers. I believe he was more loving.

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I don't have a problem with it as long as the graduation ceremony remains secular.

 

I am not catholic but I sometimes enjoy going in some of their curches to take a look around.

 

I'm not episcopalian but my favorite church of all time if the Grace Cathedral in San Francisco.

 

When it comes down to it they are just buildings.

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The fact is this church has a fabulous facility - from what I've heard - and holds up to 3,000 people. Oh yea, having it inside takes away the uncertainty about rain, etc. This makes it much easier - you go to that church, sit in the auditorium and watch the graduation ceremony.

 

Nobody prostelizes. They rent out their facility. It happens to be a church. No separation is necessary. This is a secular ceremony.

 

 

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The ACLU is fine with those Muslim footwashing basins in bathrooms in airports, like

 

I think the one in Kansas City has.

 

But put a little Christian chapel in there, and they will raise hell !

 

 

That tells me, it's all about taking down the status quo of America that works, because they

 

want a socialist/communist system.

 

Look who started the ACLU anyways.

 

And yes, I have a hunch, that mz the pussy, Shep and Heck met at some other site, before the Brownsboard.

 

It was anti-God, military, anti-Christian, anti-capitalism, spread the wealth, hate "the man" city around here for a long time...

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