Kosar_For_President Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 the first legal forward pass in American football took place in 1906. Yes but this was in COLLEGE.. dummy.. Love it, keep it coming hillbilly. The first forward pass in a professional football game may have been thrown in an Ohio League game played on October 25, 1906. The Ohio League, which traced its history to the 1890s, was the predecessor of today's NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jully Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 not the NFL dumbass.. get your facts straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Eddie Cochem, the Saint Louis University coach, was the first to use the forward pass in 1906. It wasn't legalized in the NFL until 1933. Specification of the size of the ball for the American game came in 1912, but it was still essentially a rugby ball. Increased use of the forward pass encouraged adoption of a narrower ball, starting with changes in the 1920s which enhanced rifled throwing and also spiral punting. Why would they change the shape of the ball if there were no forward passes. Love it. OWNED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 not the NFL dumbass.. get your facts straight. What ever makes you feel better. Hey what's you mom doing tonight, I need to work off the $2.24 she owes me. I gots to get my rape on. Believe me she can take a pounding. Just ask your brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jully Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 well at least we know your argument turned into hogwash..thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Also from the same Wikipedia article: Could this be what he's referring to and erroneously reporting that all forward passes were illegal prior to 1933? Yea, the guy is an idiot. They change rules all the time. Did someone not ever "sack" a QB before they began keeping stats for it in the 70s? Tell that to Deacon Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Yea, the guy is an idiot. They change rules all the time. Did someone not ever "sack" a QB before they began keeping stats for it in the 70s? Tell that to Deacon Jones. Jilly = Owned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jully Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 a sack was legal a forward pass was not legal in the NFL until 1933. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 a sack was legal a forward pass was not legal in the NFL until 1933. Specification of the size of the ball for the American game came in 1912, but it was still essentially a rugby ball. Increased use of the forward pass encouraged adoption of a narrower ball, starting with changes in the 1920s which enhanced rifled throwing and also spiral punting. Why would they change the shape of the ball if there were no forward passes. Love it. OWNED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 wrong. the nfl legalized passing in 1933 and since then stats were kept. sorry browns but those are the facts. Then how the hell did George Halas CATCH Touchdown PASSES for the Bears in the 20s. He was one of the top RECEIVERS in tha time. How did Benny Friedman get 66 Touchdown PASSES between 1927 and 1932? You are stuck on 'when stats are kept". I told you, and you can look it up, they didn't keep statistics for RUSHING before then either. So, if they could neither pass, nor run....because surely no stats means those things weren't done...how did they matriculate the ball down the field? Levitation? (Oh, but that may have been considered a pass.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaak Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 wrong. the nfl legalized passing in 1933 and since then stats were kept. sorry browns but those are the facts. No, they are not the facts. Just because you say it (type it in this case), does not make it true. Sight your source. Post a link to where you are getting your info. I sighted my source, and my source indicated that you were incorrect. The forward pass rules were changed in 1933 to incorporate the legality of a pass between 5 and 0 yards behind the line of scrimmage, while prior to 1933, a forward pass was allowed if the QB was 5 or more yards behind the line of scrimmage. Secondly, just because they didn't call themselves the NFL, doesn't mean you can negate the info from that organization. The rules and regulations from the previous organization were carried forward when the NFL formed. The NFL was previously known as the American Professional Football Association, formed in 1920 with 11 teams. It changed its name to the NFL in 1922. Teams originally playing in the unofficial Ohio League (including Canton Bulldogs) joined the APFA in 1920. So do the rules, records and stats from the APFA from 1920 to 1922 not count because the acronym NFL wasn't used? Same organization, they just renamed themselves. As a matter of fact, the original APFA was only consisting of the Ohio League (although many teams chose not to participate in the APFA) but a month later they included Buffalo and a few other teams. So my friend, site your source, or forever hold your peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 a sack was legal a forward pass was not legal in the NFL until 1933. Prove it. Cite the rule on a website that says forward passing was specifically PROHIBITED by the NFL prior to 1933. And if you find it, you better go to 2121 George Halas Drive, Canton, Ohio and tell the curator there that the Touchdown passes caught by the guy who the street is named for where the particular institution sits has to be erased from their archives because Jully says its so. Better yet. How much of your hard earned CASH are you willing to wager that you are right. I will put up $500.00 on myself being right. Lets see how gutless you really are, punk. Put your money up. We can name an independent escrow agent to hold each of our holdings. We can have a title company in Canton, Ohio hold it. I need a little extra cash for Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaak Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Then how the hell did George Halas CATCH Touchdown PASSES for the Bears in the 20s. He was one of the top RECEIVERS in tha time. How did Benny Friedman get 66 Touchdown PASSES between 1927 and 1932? You are stuck on 'when stats are kept". I told you, and you can look it up, they didn't keep statistics for RUSHING before then either. So, if they could neither pass, nor run....because surely no stats means those things weren't done...how did they matriculate the ball down the field? Levitation? (Oh, but that may have been considered a pass.) No you idiot! They obviously scored TD's by way of teleportation. Its just that after the great depression people were so depressed and their natural instincts so suppressed by the religious right, that they lost the ability to teleport anything larger than the size of a gonad, and teleporting ones testicles is not really something one might want to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 a sack was legal a forward pass was not legal in the NFL until 1933. Just a sample - NFL STATS - PASSING Bold are passing TD's 1925 NFL Stats Jack Ernst, POT 61 130 46.9 714 5.49 8 13 45.0 1927 NFL Stats Benny Friedman, CLE 96 205 46.8 1721 8.40 12 11 73.2 1930 NFL Stats Benny Friedman, NYG 71 124 57.3 1246 10.05 13 9 96.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 I sighted my source, and my source indicated that you were incorrect. The forward pass rules were changed in 1933 to incorporate the legality of a pass between 5 and 0 yards behind the line of scrimmage, while prior to 1933, a forward pass was allowed if the QB was 5 or more yards behind the line of scrimmage. All that need to be said, Jilly = OWNED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Just a sample - NFL STATS - PASSING Bold are passing TD's 1925 NFL Stats Jack Ernst, POT 61 130 46.9 714 5.49 8 13 45.0 1927 NFL Stats Benny Friedman, CLE 96 205 46.8 1721 8.40 12 11 73.2 1930 NFL Stats Benny Friedman, NYG 71 124 57.3 1246 10.05 13 9 96.4 What you are saying is that in 1925 Jack Ernst attempted 130 forward passes. completing 61 of them for a 46.9 percent completion average for 714 yards for a 5.49 ypa avg. and 8 TD passes (I am not sure what the 13 and 45 are...is that 13 ints?) If they weren't allowed to throw how could they have compiled all those very specific statistics? Now the whole universe is conspiring against Jully. Paranoia strikes deep. Into your mind it will creep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 How did we ever get onto such an ignorant debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaak Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 How did we ever get onto such an ignorant debate? I don't know, but I really want you to refute my teleportation statement. I swear that's what they did from 1922 (cause the APFA wasn't the NFL you know) to 1933 because obviously they weren't passing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 What you are saying is that in 1925 Jack Ernst attempted 130 forward passes. completing 61 of them for a 46.9 percent completion average for 714 yards for a 5.49 ypa avg. and 8 TD passes (I am not sure what the 13 and 45 are...is that 13 ints?) If they weren't allowed to throw how could they have compiled all those very specific statistics? Now the whole universe is conspiring against Jully. Paranoia strikes deep. Into your mind it will creep. 13 is INT's and 45 is yards per game. Why would they keep stats on an illegal pass? LOL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jully Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 You seem to forget that any titles Cleveland owned before 1996 actually belong to the Baltimore Ravens. The current Cleveland Browns are an expansion team, only in existence since 1999. Therefore, you have 0 championships, and only 1 playoff appearance (2002). If you want to have your titles back, you will need to become a Ravens fan - just think of the upside - you would then have a Superbowl that you could brag about (2001). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaak Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 You seem to forget that any titles Cleveland owned before 1996 actually belong to the Baltimore Ravens. The current Cleveland Browns are an expansion team, only in existence since 1999. Therefore, you have 0 championships, and only 1 playoff appearance (2002). If you want to have your titles back, you will need to become a Ravens fan - just think of the upside - you would then have a Superbowl that you could brag about (2001). Again, you are wrong. The NFL awarded the city of Cleveland and the future franchise they promised them the name, colors, and history of the Cleveland Browns. The Ravens were considered a new team in regards to name, colors, and history when they became the Baltimore Ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 You seem to forget that any titles Cleveland owned before 1996 actually belong to the Baltimore Ravens. The current Cleveland Browns are an expansion team, only in existence since 1999. Therefore, you have 0 championships, and only 1 playoff appearance (2002). If you want to have your titles back, you will need to become a Ravens fan - just think of the upside - you would then have a Superbowl that you could brag about (2001). By far the dumbest person I have seen in here EVER! The controversy ended when representatives of Cleveland and the NFL reached a settlement on February 8, 1996. The agreement stipulated that the Browns' name, colors, uniform design and franchise records would remain in Cleveland. The franchise history included Browns club records and connections with Pro Football Hall of Fame players. A new team to begin play in 1999 would be regarded as the "reactivated" Cleveland Browns. Modell's Baltimore team, while retaining all current player contracts, would officially be the expansion team, a "new franchise."[1] Not all players, staff or front office would make the move to Baltimore, however. OWNED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgpound3 Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 You seem to forget that any titles Cleveland owned before 1996 actually belong to the Baltimore Ravens. The current Cleveland Browns are an expansion team, only in existence since 1999. Therefore, you have 0 championships, and only 1 playoff appearance (2002). If you want to have your titles back, you will need to become a Ravens fan - just think of the upside - you would then have a Superbowl that you could brag about (2001). No, actually, the Browns got to keep the history when Baltimore took the team away. So therefore, Baltimore has no history whatsoever. P.S. Don't feed the troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaak Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 By the way, ignoring another topic that you started, simply so you can start another topic with equally erroneous information is lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daydawg19 Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 You seem to forget that any titles Cleveland owned before 1996 actually belong to the Baltimore Ravens. The current Cleveland Browns are an expansion team, only in existence since 1999. Therefore, you have 0 championships, and only 1 playoff appearance (2002). If you want to have your titles back, you will need to become a Ravens fan - just think of the upside - you would then have a Superbowl that you could brag about (2001). You are an idiot, get outta here moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 You seem to forget that any titles Cleveland owned before 1996 actually belong to the Baltimore Ravens. The current Cleveland Browns are an expansion team, only in existence since 1999. Therefore, you have 0 championships, and only 1 playoff appearance (2002). If you want to have your titles back, you will need to become a Ravens fan - just think of the upside - you would then have a Superbowl that you could brag about (2001). Actually, the only issue is WHERE were these titles won. Baltimore no more owns the Browns titles than Cleveland owns Baltimores titles. Who cares if a franchise moves (the Browns didn't...only some jock straps and shoulder pads moved) or what the F*** other machinations are utilized by greedy owners to line their own pockets. The titles were contested and won by the teams in Greater Cleveland Ohio. That is all that counts. The Rams franchise DID move, but that 1945 title belongs to Cleveland because it was won here. Just because the Colts moved doesn't mean that the 3 titles won in Baltimore don't belong to Baltimore. They do. Just because the Cardinals moved doesn't mean that the 2 titles won in Chicago don't belong to Chicago. They do. Just because the Rams moved to St. Louis doesn't mean that the title they won in LA doesn't belong to LA. It does. Just because the Raiders moved back to Oakland doesn't mean that the title they won their doesn't belong to LA. It does. Dallas Texas still owns a title by a team that is now in Kansas City. Houston Texas still owns a couple of titles that won them there that is now in Nashville. So, whatever stupidity it is you think you accomplished, again, you have failed miserably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alendor Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 omg hes still going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 I sort of feel sorry for him. You know like the 30 year old Retard they put in real high school classes to make him feel special. At some point you just have to pass him to graduate. Jilly you passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel88 Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Guys He/she/it is trolling the hell out of you please just ignore it and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alendor Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 your talking to the same guys that kept lums amused for the past 2 and a half years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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