Westside Steve Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 OK I think Mangini deserves another year. The team has not quit on him though they'd almost be justified to have done so. Lewis quit but he's washed up anyway. We do not need a GM who's going to butt heads with the head coach and the direction he's going. We do need the head coach to get the kind of players he wants. So Promote someone in the front office to interim GM for the next season. Hire scouting consultants. Get Mangini and Ryan their guys. What should NOT happen is to hire a big name with Mangini as the albatross around his neck. Neither will be happy and nobody wins. If there's no forward progress next season you shitcan the whole gang. Then's when you hire a GM with the power to build his own staff from the ground up. Don't waste the time and money on some tier two guy. If the team still sucks in week 12 next season fire Mangini and promote whoever. Then rebuild. Again. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 OK I think Mangini deserves another year. The team has not quit on him though they'd almost be justified to have done so. Lewis quit but he's washed up anyway. We do not need a GM who's going to butt heads with the head coach and the direction he's going. We do need the head coach to get the kind of players he wants. So Promote someone in the front office to interim GM for the next season. Hire scouting consultants. Get Mangini and Ryan their guys. What should NOT happen is to hire a big name with Mangini as the albatross around his neck. Neither will be happy and nobody wins. If there's no forward progress next season you shitcan the whole gang. Then's when you hire a GM with the power to build his own staff from the ground up. Don't waste the time and money on some tier two guy. If the team still sucks in week 12 next season fire Mangini and promote whoever. Then rebuild. Again.WSS Good points, Steve. I can sign up for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gips Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Its good that more and more fans feel this way because lerner has already pre-deemed it to be this way ,ruskell and mangini will most likely be the next evil duo to shame the city and the fans ,underneath mangini will be running the show ,i say lets kick back and get ready for 3 more years of below mediocre football and then maybe the fans might be ready to toss lerner out on his ear... I could be way wrong too ,it wouldnt be the first time and it wont be the last...we can hope for the best but expect the worst ,6 years of lerners bad decisions give me no reason to think or even hope he gets it right this time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopaji Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Its good that more and more fans feel this way because lerner has already pre-deemed it to be this way ,ruskell and mangini will most likely be the next evil duo to shame the city and the fans ,underneath mangini will be running the show ,i say lets kick back and get ready for 3 more years of below mediocre football and then maybe the fans might be ready to toss lerner out on his ear... I could be way wrong too ,it wouldnt be the first time and it wont be the last...we can hope for the best but expect the worst ,6 years of lerners bad decisions give me no reason to think or even hope he gets it right this time... Hey ADMIN! Can we get an F-You button put next to the "Thanks" button? PLEASE tell me why Mangini is so bad? Where has he gone wrong? What has he done to make people believe he is terrible? Because every argument I have heard to support this opinion has been debunked or has been just complete personal preference and has nothing to do with performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 I said that I could live with what WSS proposed and I still can. However, my gut tells me that Mangini does not survive the Holmgren era - if it ever comes to be. I have nothing tangible but I live in NE and get a lot of Pats and Jets news. Something tells me that Mangini lacks equity with the NFL coaching community and, even more so, with NFL management. I believe Holmgren would jettison Mangini rather quickly. I could be wrong - maybe he would give him a year. However, IMHO, it is likely that Holmgren neither respects nor likes Mangini. Maybe time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Hey ADMIN! Can we get an F-You button put next to the "Thanks" button? PLEASE tell me why Mangini is so bad? Where has he gone wrong? What has he done to make people believe he is terrible? Because every argument I have heard to support this opinion has been debunked or has been just complete personal preference and has nothing to do with performance. I think you just pushed that button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSixPat Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 First of all on the GM - Lerner's put this team in a tight spot. No GM worth having is going to submit to being forced to retain a head coach. Even if he WANTED to keep Mangini, or were at least open to it, Holmgren wouldn't accept the perception that he somehow caved, or the perception that Mangini is being protected by the owner. Holmgren wants nothing more than full control and keeping Mangini would undermine the perception that he truly was in full control. Beyond that I'm missing what it is that Mangini has "built" around here. I see some strategic disassemlbly, but I'm not seeing a team being put together. It's not like Mangini's the only coach to ever take a hardass approach to get his team performing better - there's tons of coaches out there who have a similar philosophy. They just have a proven track record of doing it better than Mangini. So I see no real downside for Holmgren getting rid of Mangini - indeed he almost MUST fire Mangini if he wants to make clear he's in control, and getting a good head coach might inject the sense of hope and excitement that Mangini never brought to this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl34 Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 It's not like Mangini's the only coach to ever take a hardass approach to get his team performing better - there's tons of coaches out there who have a similar philosophy. JOE SIX PAT SAID MANGINI HAS THE TEAM PERFORMING BETTER?! OMG! Has HELL FROZEN OVER?! The above statement is true. It's just that only one of those coaches is collecting a paycheck from the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ_Browns Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 i just saw john clayton on espn and he's reporting that if holmgren is brought in, he will fire mangini. i believe mortensen is reporting the same thing. i'm not sure what will happen, but i just thought i would share this info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
next2nothing Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 i just saw john clayton on espn and he's reporting that if holmgren is brought in, he will fire mangini. i believe mortensen is reporting the same thing. i'm not sure what will happen, but i just thought i would share this info. I really hope this isn't the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl34 Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 i just saw john clayton on espn and he's reporting that if holmgren is brought in, he will fire mangini. i believe mortensen is reporting the same thing. i'm not sure what will happen, but i just thought i would share this info. He certainly could but to be entirely honest, why would Mike Holmgren come here? I suppose if you offered him enough money he might come but the Seattle job is open and he already lives there and is revered. I think Holmgren is using the Browns to grease Seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ_Browns Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 He certainly could but to be entirely honest, why would Mike Holmgren come here? I suppose if you offered him enough money he might come but the Seattle job is open and he already lives there and is revered. I think Holmgren is using the Browns to grease Seattle. You could be right. I hope we find out soon because I'm tired of the rumors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Yeah I'd bet Holmgren would dump Mangini. Even if he liked him OK. New management needs to make a statement and get their guys in place. You don't want any Mangini loyalists hanging on. Then what? Is he gonna coach? Is he going to hire an independent coach or second guess and micro manage every move the new guy makes? And is anybody here jonesing for a few more years rebuilding arond the next highly drafted QB to bust? Personally I'm not too excited about Holmgren. Parcells maybe but....... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl34 Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Yeah I'd bet Holmgren would dump Mangini. Even if he liked him OK. New management needs to make a statement and get their guys in place. You don't want any Mangini loyalists hanging on. Then what? Is he gonna coach? Is he going to hire an independent coach or second guess and micro manage every move the new guy makes? And is anybody here jonesing for a few more years rebuilding arond the next highly drafted QB to bust? Personally I'm not too excited about Holmgren. Parcells maybe but....... WSS The problem, Steve, is that the Browns are continually blowing it up. If you really believe that Mangini is improving the team in the second half of the season, then I think the better option is to get a GM who can accept him with some changes to the coaching staff and move on. It would be better than just blowing it all up, bringing in someone new, deciding you need a new QB, deciding you won't run a 3-4 and installing the wishbone (just kidding about the wishbone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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