cdl15 Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh Steelers (35) Kyle Boller, St. Louis Rams (29) David Carr, New York Giants (31) Brodie Croyle, Kansas City Chiefs (27) Daunte Culpepper, Detroit Lions (33) Rex Grossman, Houston Texans (30) Joey Harrington, New Orleans Saints (31) Jon Kitna, Dallas Cowboys (37) Matt Moore, Carolina Panthers (26) – Restricted FA Chris Redman, Atlanta Falcons (33) Brett Ratliff, Cleveland Browns (25) – Exclusive Rights FA Troy Smith, Baltimore Ravens (26) – Restricted FA Not real impressed i'll take what we got and add a late round draft pick just release ratliff already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh Steelers (35) Kyle Boller, St. Louis Rams (29) David Carr, New York Giants (31) Brodie Croyle, Kansas City Chiefs (27) Daunte Culpepper, Detroit Lions (33) Rex Grossman, Houston Texans (30) Joey Harrington, New Orleans Saints (31) Jon Kitna, Dallas Cowboys (37) Matt Moore, Carolina Panthers (26) – Restricted FA Chris Redman, Atlanta Falcons (33) Brett Ratliff, Cleveland Browns (25) – Exclusive Rights FA Troy Smith, Baltimore Ravens (26) – Restricted FA LOL. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh Steelers (35) Kyle Boller, St. Louis Rams (29) David Carr, New York Giants (31) Brodie Croyle, Kansas City Chiefs (27) Daunte Culpepper, Detroit Lions (33) Rex Grossman, Houston Texans (30) Joey Harrington, New Orleans Saints (31) Jon Kitna, Dallas Cowboys (37) Matt Moore, Carolina Panthers (26) – Restricted FA Chris Redman, Atlanta Falcons (33) Brett Ratliff, Cleveland Browns (25) – Exclusive Rights FA Troy Smith, Baltimore Ravens (26) – Restricted FA Not real impressed i'll take what we got and add a late round draft pick just release ratliff already I don't understand the hurry to release Ratliff, and if you use this list as the guide, it may be a first round choice at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted January 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 LOL. Zombo yea dude take your pick between a douche, turdsandwich or a geezer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted January 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 I don't understand the hurry to release Ratliff, and if you use this list as the guide, it may be a first round choice at QB. Draft first round Qb and you might as well sit there like the vikings did with our thumbs up our asses and watch guys fall off the board that we need much much more. 3rd round qb at earliest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambridgeho Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I wonder if we could get one of the Vikings QB's in a trade. They have 2 back ups that are probably better than what we have starting. Jackson has progressed every year he has been in and Sage has been solid. I think either one of them could possibly land on our roster. Of course we will also be drafting the LeFevour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maintainin125 Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Hopefully the Eagles decide not to exercise their option on Mike Vick. He would instantly be the best qb we've had since we've been back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Hopefully the Eagles decide not to exercise their option on Mike Vick. He would instantly be the best qb we've had since we've been back. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Hopefully the Eagles decide not to exercise their option on Mike Vick. He would instantly be the best qb we've had since we've been back. Have you watched him play at all this year? He was worse than Quinn and Anderson combined before he became a guest of the state. He's not any better now than he was back then. He's Cribbs with more speed and less strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel88 Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Hopefully the Eagles decide not to exercise their option on Mike Vick. He would instantly be the best qb we've had since we've been back. Alright here's the deal Eric Mangini likes intelligent, decent human beings Mike Vick is neither of these. What Vick did to those dogs is evil plain and simple I don't care if you don't value other life forms as much as a human life it was still completely wrong. The last thing the browns need is an evil douche like vick as the face of the franchise especially since fans patience is growing thin with the teams losing ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
next2nothing Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I don't care what anyone says, if Matt Moore had been the starting QB instead of Jake "Interception" Delhomme, the Panthers would have had a completely different year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Alright here's the deal Eric Mangini likes intelligent, decent human beings Mike Vick is neither of these. What Vick did to those dogs is evil plain and simple I don't care if you don't value other life forms as much as a human life it was still completely wrong. The last thing the browns need is an evil douche like vick as the face of the franchise especially since fans patience is growing thin with the teams losing ways. Just heard on ESPN that Reid is going to keep all 3 qbs on his roster. So no need to worry about Vick. I agree about the character issues, but more importantly, He's inaccurate, and not much of an upgrade (if any) over what the Browns already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh Steelers (35) Kyle Boller, St. Louis Rams (29) David Carr, New York Giants (31) Brodie Croyle, Kansas City Chiefs (27) Daunte Culpepper, Detroit Lions (33) Rex Grossman, Houston Texans (30) Joey Harrington, New Orleans Saints (31) Jon Kitna, Dallas Cowboys (37) Matt Moore, Carolina Panthers (26) – Restricted FA Chris Redman, Atlanta Falcons (33) Brett Ratliff, Cleveland Browns (25) – Exclusive Rights FA Troy Smith, Baltimore Ravens (26) – Restricted FA Not real impressed i'll take what we got and add a late round draft pick just release ratliff already The ONLY one of these I think worth a look is Troy Smith, but that may just be my bias toward a Cleveland/OSU guy showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 What FAs are available at other positions? Positions we could really use somebody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefjerky Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 I WANT TROY SMITH! Keep Ratliff as a backup even though Bartel was better, Mangini seemed to favor Ratliff for personal reasons and not skill reasons. All Bartel needed to do to become a better QB was get rid of the ball earlier(he got sacked a million times in the preseason but had a great completion rate). edit: by the way, how is this a "2010 free agency list"? this is a "2010 QB free agency list". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Troy Smith? He is a restricted free agent. Which means, you'd end up giving the dirty, stupid, ugly and putrid ratbirds a huge value for him. Seriously, ... NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefjerky Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Troy Smith? He is a restricted free agent. Which means, you'd end up giving the dirty, stupid, ugly and putrid ratbirds a huge value for him. Seriously, ... NO. he's already requested a trade and wants to play for the Browns, I don't think the Ravens have plans for him in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MudratDetector Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 why do people romanticize troy smith so much? because he was a buckeye? there is a reason why he isn't seeing any pt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefjerky Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 why do people romanticize troy smith so much? because he was a buckeye? there is a reason why he isn't seeing any pt. yeah there was a reason, he got a throat infection, he was named starter up until that infection and that's the only reason why he didn't see any playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 why do people romanticize troy smith so much? because he was a buckeye? there is a reason why he isn't seeing any pt. There is a reason, you're right. His name is Joe Flacco. What's the harm in bringing in Smith, if we can get a decent enough trade for him? I think it's already been proven that our QB's aren't necessarily cutting it. I say, if we can get Smith without giving away anything of too great a value, we should go for it. It won't happen, of course. But there's no harm in wishing. And, Harbaugh was endorsing Smith all throughout the offseason until he got sick. I'm not saying Smith is the second coming of Jesus Christ (who was a great quarterback, on top of everything else), I'm just saying he's worth taking a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadWombat Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 My memory is a bit cloudy, but I remember Troy Smith as a good QB but not as a great one. The kid was really athletic and could run but I don't remember much about his arm. How good was his accuracy? Also... Tim Couch... I love your avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MudratDetector Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 as far as WR fa's go, i can definitely see clowney coming here next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodilobo Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Hopefully the Eagles decide not to exercise their option on Mike Vick. He would instantly be the best qb we've had since we've been back. Thanks a lot for making me puke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted January 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Hopefully the Eagles decide not to exercise their option on Mike Vick. He would instantly be the best qb we've had since we've been back. Vick jumping into the dogpound an instant classic ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 My memory is a bit cloudy, but I remember Troy Smith as a good QB but not as a great one. The kid was really athletic and could run but I don't remember much about his arm. How good was his accuracy? Also... Tim Couch... I love your avatar. Brady Quinn- Notre Dame - 46 games COMP ---- ATT---- COMP %------ YDS------ TD --- INT --- RATING ---- RuATT ---- RuYDS ---- AVG ----RuTD 929 ------ 1602 --- 58.0 --------11,762 ----- 95 ----39 ---- 134.4 ------- 254 -------- 182 --------.7------ 6 Troy Smith- The Ohio State University - 44 games COMP ---- ATT ----- COMP % ----- YDS ------ TD --- INT --- RATING ---- RuATT ---- RuYDS ---- AVG --- RuTD 420 ------ 670 ------ 62.7 -------- 5,720 ------ 54 --- 13 ----- 159.72 ----- 283 -------1197 ------ 4.2 ------ 14 And, just for shits and giggles. Peyton Manning- University of Tennessee - 45 games COMP ---- ATT ---- COMP % ---- YDS ---- TD ---- INT 851 ----- 1354 ----- 62.85 ------ 11,201 --- 89 ---- 33 Comparing completion percentages, Troy Smith was more accurate in college than Brady Quinn, and only slightly less accurate than Peyton Manning. Granted, BQ and Peyton more than doubled Smith in every other statistic, excluding rating and TD's. These stats are hard to compare, though, because: 1)Tressel had two more than capable running backs that he relied on 2)Smith made plenty of plays on his feet instead of passing 3)Fulmer and Willingham/Weis ran a much more aerial-based offense than Tressel (from what I remember) 4)It's Peyton freakin' Manning. I'm not on the Troy Smith bandwagon at all. I'd love to give him a shot, but it won't happen. I'm more inclined to believe that Holmgren would like a more traditional type QB than a rushing QB. The only reason I like Troy Smith is because he was a very mobile QB who had the pass first mentality. Most of the time, he only made the plays on his feet if he had to. And like I said before, I don't want a running QB who can throw, I'd much rather have a throwing QB who can run. I'm only posting these stats because it's late, I'm bored, and I can't go to sleep. If these stats prove anything, it's that you can't foretell a QB's NFL career based on his college stats. If you could, Brady Quinn would have won a couple MVP awards by now, don't you think? And Ryan Leaf, along with Tim Couch, would be perennial Pro Bowlers. Oh, and thanks. There's nothing I love more than Braylon being Braylon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gips Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Hopefully the Eagles decide not to exercise their option on Mike Vick. He would instantly be the best qb we've had since we've been back. No way man they would never bring vick to cleveland and he sucks anyways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Draft first round Qb and you might as well sit there like the vikings did with our thumbs up our asses and watch guys fall off the board that we need much much more. 3rd round qb at earliest Not saying that is what I would do, but add it up...we have a new regime, and one who seems to know qbs...at least he says so. If we aren't thrilled with the qbs we have, and can't find something via free agency, the draft is the logical next step. If we fall in love with a Clawsen as an example, don't be shocked if we pull the plug and draft him. Ultimately, much is going to depend on the evaluation Holmgren gives DA and Brady. If he likes one of them, that is the route we will take. If he decides to pass, we will have to do something. Seeing we do have extra picks this year, it very well could be determined this is the year to pluck the qb if one who fits the bill is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Troy Smith? He is a restricted free agent. Which means, you'd end up giving the dirty, stupid, ugly and putrid ratbirds a huge value for him. Seriously, ... NO. OK, I agree. I might like to see him here, but not at any real cost. If he was a UFA, perhaps. Or maybe one of those 6th-7th round draft picks, but no more. He would be an experiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 My memory is a bit cloudy, but I remember Troy Smith as a good QB but not as a great one. The kid was really athletic and could run but I don't remember much about his arm. How good was his accuracy? Also... Tim Couch... I love your avatar. Well, Smith won the Heisman Trophy....which automatically qualifies him for "greatness", at least at the college level. But as we know, many Heisman Trophy winning QBs did diddley with their pro careers. Here is the list of Heisman QB "busts" at the Pro level since 1960: Terry Baker John Huarte Steve Spurrier Gary Beban Pat Sullivan Andre Ware Gino Toretta Charlie Ward Danny Weurfell Chris Weinke Eric Crouch Jason White Question marks or "backup/serviceable": Doug Flutie? Ty Detmer? Heisman QBs successes: Roger Staubach Jim Plunkett Vinny Testaverde Carson Palmer Heisman QBs "Too early perhaps to tell": Matt Leinert Troy Smith Tim Tebow Sam Bradford Of the 4 above, do you believe any of them will pan out to be a pro success? It seems to me that the odds are only about 33%, meaning one of them may become really good, one somewhat serviceable, and two of them complete busts. Right now, Leinert and Smith are in the "Backup-serviceable" category. If they do nothing further with their careers they will degrade down to the "bust" category. Fair to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
why cant we win Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 just throwing it out there other fa qbs are Tarvaris Jackson chad pennington jason campbell kyle orton kellen clemens FA RBS Ronnie Brown RFA Pierre Thomas RFA Cadillac Williams FA Darren Sproles FA Mike Bell FA LenDale White FA Leon Washington FA Chester Taylor FA Jerious Norwood FA WRS FA Brandon Marshall Vincent Jackson Miles Austin Braylon Edwards Terrell Owens Antonio Bryant Derrick Mason Steve Breaston Malcom Floyd OL FA Jahri Evans Logan Mankins Marcus McNeill Willie Colon Jared Gaither Donald Penn Jermon Bushrod Daryn Colledge Kevin Mawae Chad Clifton DL FA Julius Peppers Elvis Dumervil Johnny Jolly Aaron Kampman Ray Edwards Marcus Spears Kyle Vanden Bosch Leonard Little Adewale Ogunleye Vince Wilfork Richard Seymour Aubrayo Franklin Casey Hampton FA LBS Shawne Merriman Barrett Ruud Karlos Dansby DeMeco Ryans Kirk Morrison Thomas Davis D’Qwell Jackson Thomas Howard FA DBS Carlos Rogers Tramon Williams Dunta Robinson Richard Marshall Leigh Bodden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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