jcam222 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 While driving today and listening to ESPN Cleveland AM I hear there are some rumblings today that Lombardi is either headed out or he is being "promoted" to a consulting role. I understand its a rumor but lately where there's smoke there is fire as it relates to our FO. Farmer would move into his GM spot. Anyone hearing this anywhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 I heard those rumors also. Tony Grossi made an excellent point, He said they wouldn't get rid of Lombardi before the draft. He has done most of the work on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFBF Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Check this thread : http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28291 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Maybe one of the reasons Farmer decided to stay. I think after his 5 years of doing cushy TV work Lombardi decided he didn't want to work so hard. I mean, he skipped the Senior Bowl practices because he was apparently too lazy to go. Maybe he decided he no longer had the stones for the job. That is fine.....better he man up and get out now where he knows that he does not have what it takes to get it done than the pull a Holmgren and sit around smoking cigars while he counts his cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 I speculated a while ago that once the head coaching search was over, Haslam might consider firing Lombardi and possibly Banner. I can live with Banner sticking around, but I'd LOVE to see Farmer promoted to GM and Lombardi "promoted". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 I speculated a while ago that once the head coaching search was over, Haslam might consider firing Lombardi and possibly Banner. I can live with Banner sticking around, but I'd LOVE to see Farmer promoted to GM and Lombardi "promoted". pleez no one wake me up from this dream. i wonder how much the browns would owe another 'personnel/coach person' for being OTJ for what a year now? take the money and run. haslam should have a placard made of that and hung above his office doorway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momszer Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Looking forward to the day that the ? becomes :excl: :excl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Yeah... promote his ass. Maybe to one of the openings on the NJ Port Authority Board... If this happens, then it's going to be real hard to stay mad at Haslam and Banner... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted February 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 I think he may have been primarily scouting free agents. Either way the scouting he has written up is property of the Browns. He could be fired tomorrow and we would retain that I would think. The more likely scenario is that he is "promoted" before the draft to some lofty bullshit title and keep around for awhile. I would project then a full exit before camp opens. this would make my day I am still imagining the conversation between Haslam and Lombarid " Mike you son of a bitch you couldn't get along with Chud, you talked me into firing him and assured me your guy was lined up and you were full of shit'. You made us a laughing stock!!!!!" "By the way your draft last year sucked too" We gotta "promote" you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blakebtb23 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 http://www.reddit.com/r/Browns/comments/1wzf7v/ive_been_hearing_rumors_that_mike_lombardi_may_be/ This thread on reddit reports the same rumors. The poster apparently had insider speculation, so let's hope this is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I don't hope anybody loses a job. I think Lombardi has value. That said, I think Farmer is better, and him staying tells me he has been told some things quietly. My feeling is Lombo is going to be re-assigned as Haslams front man....whatever you want to call that....again, I think he has value.....maybe over special projects.....but Farmer is going to rise to GM. Lombo is going to scout FA players....I think he is good at that. He brought in some good players this last year even if we didn't play them. I don't think Lombardi's voice is going to be eliminated because it shouldn't, but right now the PR people have a louder voice than usual. Farmer will end up GM and Lombo will end up Sr. advisor to the owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beare Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Saw a report earlier that haslem was upset with him over mcdaniels. It wouldnt shock me if hes fired i think it was very telling that he wasnt at the senoir bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 goodbye Scumbardi!..Make it happen,Jimmy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I don't hope anybody loses a job. I think Lombardi has value. That said, I think Farmer is better, and him staying tells me he has been told some things quietly. I speculated the same, but I read an article where Farmer is quoted as saying he had NOT been told anything of the sort and that he has a very good relationship with Lombardi. He also said if he had been told that he would've been concerned and he doesn't want a promotion at someone else's expense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Was not to happy with the hire to begin with as much rocky road in this guys past. And very little positives. I don't think he has much value left at this point and better hope he still with the stoogess going forward because I find it hard to beliebe people want this guy around a respectable organization. The sad truth about Lombardi is he was here a tick longer than chud. From a very formidable and credible fan his lists of bad decisions and fuckups heavily outweighed chud's, yet chud was the one to get the shaft. Very shotty Free Agency with the bess saga, bryants health, and over spending for Krueger while very little attempt at Avril was at least reported. His first Draft was not what he and the other stooges had promised. Honestly Mingo coulda been picked by a Retarded monkey and might have been. Where there is smoke there usually is fire. And with this guys glamorous resume things probably are how they look. If he wants a qb at 4 I'd immediately escort him off the property. The way he's been blowin Hoyer dick since his days coming outta college and the process it took to get him to Cleveland, to gettin him to start for this franchise. To suddenly covet another qb at this point is not ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Was not to happy with the hire to begin with as much rocky road in this guys past. And very little positives. I don't think he has much value left at this point and better hope he still with the stoogess going forward because I find it hard to beliebe people want this guy around a respectable organization. The sad truth about Lombardi is he was here a tick longer than chud. From a very formidable and credible fan his lists of bad decisions and fuckups heavily outweighed chud's, yet chud was the one to get the shaft. Very shotty Free Agency with the bess saga, bryants health, and over spending for Krueger while very little attempt at Avril was at least reported. His first Draft was not what he and the other stooges had promised. Honestly Mingo coulda been picked by a Retarded monkey and might have been.Where there is smoke there usually is fire. And with this guys glamorous resume things probably are how they look. If he wants a qb at 4 I'd immediately escort him off the property. The way he's been blowin Hoyer dick since his days coming outta college and the process it took to get him to Cleveland, to gettin him to start for this franchise. To suddenly covet another qb at this point is not ideal. All valid points and. Let's not forget he's a negative distraction to the team in lieu of current events that has transpired since he was brought on board. He's mysteriously absent from any pressers or team scouting excursions wich should and could raise concerns. The Media does not like him. The Fans detest him. His track record is shoddy at best. Hes a terrible evaluator of talent. And weather or not you like or dont like Chud. He did the Browns coaching staff a disservice,constantly playing with the roster during the season , wich maade things difficult as if they werent enough already.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I don't hope anybody loses a job. I think Lombardi has value. Yup, I had smoke coming out of my ears when they fired Chud- OTOH, I'll gladly help pay for Lombardi's ticket out of town. That said, I think Farmer is better, and him staying tells me he has been told some things quietly. Farmer's big toe contains more football knowledge than Lombardi's entire body. My feeling is Lombo is going to be re-assigned as Haslams front man....whatever you want to call that....again, I think he has value.....maybe over special projects.....but Farmer is going to rise to GM. Lombo is going to scout FA players....I think he is good at that. He brought in some good players this last year even if we didn't play them. I don't think Lombardi's voice is going to be eliminated because it shouldn't, but right now the PR people have a louder voice than usual. Farmer will end up GM and Lombo will end up Sr. advisor to the owner. I hope if he stays his duties will be limited to soliciting signage for the stadium. All valid points and. Let's not forget he's a negative distraction to the team in lieu of current events that has transpired since he was brought on board. He's mysteriously absent from any pressers or team scouting excursions wich should and could raise concerns. The Media does not like him. The Fans detest him. His track record is shoddy at best. Hes a terrible evaluator of talent. And weather or not you like or dont like Chud. He did the Browns coaching staff a disservice,constantly playing with the roster during the season , which made things difficult as if they weren't enough already.. The only reason they would keep Major Stooge #2 around is Major Stooge #1 (Banner) essentially said "well, I know you guys are going to hate him, but I'm hiring him anyway." So if it's all about performance instead of continuity- bye bye Mike. And good riddance. Only in the Bizarro World that is Cleveland football would you promote a guy for doing a crappy job. FWIW, Lobotomy probably does very little of the actual scouting- it's the grunts on the ground that have already done that. Now comes the critical part, the private workouts and interviews- and stay away from those Lobotomy- far, far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I don't hope anybody loses a job. I think Lombardi has value. That said, I think Farmer is better, and him staying tells me he has been told some things quietly. My feeling is Lombo is going to be re-assigned as Haslams front man....whatever you want to call that....again, I think he has value.....maybe over special projects.....but Farmer is going to rise to GM. Lombo is going to scout FA players....I think he is good at that. He brought in some good players this last year even if we didn't play them. I don't think Lombardi's voice is going to be eliminated because it shouldn't, but right now the PR people have a louder voice than usual. Farmer will end up GM and Lombo will end up Sr. advisor to the owner. Outside of Hoyer..please tell Me what good players he brought in...Kruger? stinkola. Groves? stinkola Bess? he was cut..c'mon...quit defending this POS Peen..I know your not that dumb old man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I don't think Kruger sucks, so we just disagree there. Bess, we got hoodwinked by Miami. They clearly weren't dealing in good faith on that deal. I also think Lombardi did a good job of bringing in talent once we traded Richardson. Baker shows more than promise and Rainey was a great pick-up. Too bad Chud didn't play him the way the Bucs did after we let him go to make room for someone else....probably Baker. I don't like the guy but some posters around her can't think clearly when discussing Lombardi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Outside of Hoyer..please tell Me what good players he brought in...Kruger? stinkola. Groves? stinkola Bess? he was cut..c'mon...quit defending this POS Peen..I know your not that dumb old man. It's one thing to be wrong about the potential of a player; it's another thing to be miss a player's "issues". Bess just may have been the straw that broke this particular camel's back. Failure to do due diligence on him was the costly kind of failure that a business man could not tolerate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I think that's a fair statement Peen. I don't know exactly what would make someone think that Ray Farmer is a genius and Mike Lombardi is an idiot. Seems to me a lot of the anti Lombardi sentiment goes back to some Browns fans having a grudge against Bill Belichick. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Ray Farmer's reputation comes from the time he spent at KC, helping to rebuild that roster with scott pioli. How much of it he was responsible for we obviously don't know, but it's still more than mike lombardi has done in the last 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I don't hope anybody loses a job. I think Lombardi has value. That said, I think Farmer is better, and him staying tells me he has been told some things quietly. My feeling is Lombo is going to be re-assigned as Haslams front man....whatever you want to call that....again, I think he has value.....maybe over special projects.....but Farmer is going to rise to GM. Lombo is going to scout FA players....I think he is good at that. He brought in some good players this last year even if we didn't play them. I don't think Lombardi's voice is going to be eliminated because it shouldn't, but right now the PR people have a louder voice than usual. Farmer will end up GM and Lombo will end up Sr. advisor to the owner. Yes, let him be a "consultant" . He can e-mail his opinions about players in from wherever he parks his carcass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I think that's a fair statement Peen. I don't know exactly what would make someone think that Ray Farmer is a genius and Mike Lombardi is an idiot. Seems to me a lot of the anti Lombardi sentiment goes back to some Browns fans having a grudge against Bill Belichick. WSS It goes back to him having a very poor record for evaluating talent....be it under Belichick, with other teams, and here with this gig. And the fact that he is aloof and never seen makes people think that he believes he is above being questioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I keep logging on hoping to see that Lombardi was promoted to Head Cleat Cleaner, although I'm not sure he's ready for that position either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I think that's a fair statement Peen. I don't know exactly what would make someone think that Ray Farmer is a genius and Mike Lombardi is an idiot. Seems to me a lot of the anti Lombardi sentiment goes back to some Browns fans having a grudge against Bill Belichick. WSS I present to you exhibit A, Lombardi's draft record from 1992-2007: Source: http://www.theclevelandfan.com/cleveland-browns/1-browns-archive/10640-mike-lombardi-for-the-record The guy picked a FB and a freaking kicker with his first round picks. He picked JeMarcus Russell. Most of the names I recognize on this list are memorable in a bad way, and I only recognize Jeremiah Trotter and Asomugha as good player from this list. And now Exhibit B: Kansas City Chief's draft picks while Ray Farmer was part of their FO: 2012 1 11 Dontari Poe DT 2012 2 44 Jeff Allen OL 2012 3 74 Donald Stephenson OL 2012 4 107 Devon Wylie WR 2012 5 146 DeQuan Menzie DB 2012 6 182 Cyrus Gray RB 2012 7 218 Jerome Long DT 2012 7 238 Junior Hemingway WR Year Rnd Pick Pos 2011 1 26 Jonathan Baldwin WR 2011 2 55 Rodney Hudson OL 2011 3 70 Justin Houston LB 2011 3 86 Allen Bailey DL 2011 4 118 Jalil Brown DB 2011 5 135 Ricky Stanzi QB 2011 5 140 Gabe Miller LB 2011 6 199 Jerrell Powe DL 2011 7 223 Shane Bannon RB Year Rnd Pick Pos 2010 1 5 Eric Berry DB 2010 2 36 Dexter McCluster WR 2010 2 50 Javier Arenas DB 2010 3 68 Jon Asamoah G 2010 3 93 Tony Moeaki TE 2010 5 136 Kendrick Lewis DB 2010 5 142 Cameron Sheffield DE Year Rnd Pick Pos 2009 1 3 Tyson Jackson DE 2009 3 67 Alex Magee DE 2009 4 102 Donald Washington DB 2009 5 139 Colin Brown T 2009 6 175 Quinten Lawrence WR 2009 7 212 Javarris Williams RB 2009 7 237 Jake O'Connell TE 2009 7 256 Ryan Succop K Year Rnd Pick Pos 2008 1 5 Glenn Dorsey DT 2008 1 15 Branden Albert G 2008 2 35 Brandon Flowers DB 2008 3 73 Jamaal Charles RB 2008 3 76 Brad Cottam TE 2008 3 82 DaJuan Morgan DB 2008 4 105 Will Franklin WR 2008 5 140 Brandon Carr DB 2008 6 170 Barry Richardson T 2008 6 182 Kevin Robinson WR 2008 7 210 Brian Johnston DE 2008 7 239 Mike Merritt TE Year Rnd Pick Pos 2007 1 23 Dwayne Bowe WR 2007 2 54 Turk McBride DT 2007 3 82 Tank Tyler DT 2007 5 148 Kolby Smith RB 2007 5 160 Justin Medlock K 2007 6 196 Herbert Taylor T 2007 7 231 Michael Allan TE Year Rnd Pick Pos 2006 1 20 Tamba Hali DE 2006 2 54 Bernard Pollard DB 2006 3 85 Brodie Croyle QB 2006 5 154 Marcus Maxey DB 2006 6 186 Tre Stallings G 2006 6 190 Jeff Webb WR 2006 7 228 Jarrad Page DB Note all the impact players in bold. I'm sure there are more than I marked, too. I know we can't say he was directly responsible for these picks, but he was part of a team that was, and that's saying a lot more than what Lombardi has to show for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I present to you exhibit #1, Lombardi's draft record from 1992-2007: Source: http://www.theclevelandfan.com/cleveland-browns/1-browns-archive/10640-mike-lombardi-for-the-record The guy picked a FB and a freaking kicker with his first round picks. He picked JeMarcus Russell. Most of the names I recognize on this list are memorable in a bad way, and I only recognize Jeremiah Trotter and Asomugha as good player from this list. It's a very sad track record. Some people say Al Davis was the reason he sucked in Oakland, but idk if that can explain why he sucked in Philly and Cleveland. Zach Miller is pretty good though. At least above average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Steve Everitt was not bad.....but, it is a very, very poor track record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I edited the post with Lombardi's record to show KC's record while Farmer was there. It looks so much better compared to Lombardi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Let's also not forgot Lombardi criticized the josh gordon pick when he worked for the NFLN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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