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2 hours ago, choco said:

not to be a dick, but its not a very good point.  toss out a hypothetical that cannot be proven under the circumstances, make a bold claim that also cannot be proven or verified.  what history?  are you going to provide it?  because the end conclusion of your point is that all football fans are like minded, do not have individual thoughts or feelings, and lack nuance in examining situations with different circumstances.  how is it that you seem to know everyone else's thoughts on something that hasn't even happened?  

by one member of this board.  but to hear you tell it, its common internet chatter.  why would you need to exaggerate that?  

sorry...i dont see any relevance to this point youre making.  as if the observation that fans will typically tolerate more negativity for their own team than other teams is some new revelation...congrats, you discovered humanity's fickle nature.

Actually, it was more than 1 person. 

And no, it doesn't surprise me. Its just hypocritical. 

And your 1st statement is nowhere near a fact, but let's overlook that since you want to call someone out for not telling it exactly how you want. Everyone here, including me, can have the assumption or opinion that Big Ben committed sexual assault. But he wasn't convicted of that. He may have settled a lawsuit, that does not mean guilt. A lot of people when dealing with a lawsuit, and having means, will settle to avoid the long process.

Now, before coming at someone, maybe just maybe you should do a little research instead of thinking you know. I actually went back and read some of the comments about Hunt and others with similar issues. When he wasn't a member of the Browns, the discussion sounded different.

And obviously you aren't a very critical thinker. When the statement says "would everyone..." that is in no way shape or form making everyone like minded. Oh, you need an example to prove that, sure why not.

"Would everyone here feel like Tom Brady was a great guy if he weren't the Patriots QB?"

You see, in the presence of a question, there is no statement, therefore no assumption of everyone being the same.

But, I digress. How about you man, do YOU think that Hunt's suspension would be discussed about having time served, giving him the benefit of doubt, and accepting his apology in the same way IF he had signed with Pittsburgh?

Again, I have zero issue with him being signed. I have zero issue with the suspension no matter the length.

10 hours ago, choco said:

A rapist has 2 Superbowl wins.

Way different point. 

The point I am making is if he had signed with Steelers, or another player on Patriots had the same issue, would everyone say the same things about him? If history is correct, then no. 

I'll look at it like this, and it's not to call someone out. But there has been talk that his games missed already should count as his punishment. If Hunt had signed with Pittsburgh, would people be adamant that they should count? 

8 hours ago, The Gipper said:

No worse than the  100 other players who are now playing that have been charged with some kind of crime.  

Remember....his case does NOT fall into the domestic abuse category.   He didn't even know this woman apparently.  And strictly....Domestic abuse can only be committed on someone you are related to or living with.   This would be just a plain criminal assault case.  Now....is it worse because it was the assault of a woman.  Not legally....legally it would not matter if it was a male or a female he assaulted.      But, of course, it looks much worse when it appears that he assaults a woman.  Because honestly....this society still really holds what can only be called sexist views on subjects of this nature.

If a man gets into an argument and then a fight with a man (who he is not related to or live with)....we do not consider that as aggregious  as when a man gets into an argument and then a fight with a woman (who...again, he is not related to or lives with).   And why not?  Protective sexist attitudes toward women.

I am certainly NOT defending what he did.....I am just explaining the difference in the reaction to what he did than if it were a male on male confrontation.

Don't know your situation, but from the post here it seems that you see no difference, or would have no opinion one way or the other, if a man assaulted your son vs daughter. 

I have no problem with the Browns signing Hunt. I just think that people should use the same rules for a Browns player vs another teams player with chances and benefits. If someone is going to RIP a player for assault or DV, then dont try to qualify for a player on your team. I don't think ANYONE here is trying to defend his actions, that isn't my point. The point is, if he had signed with Steelers I think the talk and outcome of suspension would be different.

5 hours ago, CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS said:

We’ll see when that 40 time comes out. I’d say his speed is pretty damn close. RG3 ran a 4.41, Vick a 4.33 and as low as a 4.25. He’s gotta be under 4.5.

Speed is not a requirement; especially with the QB position, but it gives the potential for nightmare matchups for opposing defenses.

Combine speed with a good arm? Combine that with a good brain? 

I'm not saying he couldn't be a good QB, I am saying that it doesn't prevent him from being hit and potentially injured. Those "hits" you brought up.

Look at it this way. Barry Sanders was quicker, he took shots, and was also not in a stationary position. Mike Vick took shots and he had more top end speed.  Look at a small slot receiver, that is the size of KM.

You seem to be speaking of him that he is less prone to being hit, where there is really no evidence in that. And if hit, he is smaller to withstand those hits. You think he will hold up well getting shots from Aaron Donald? Khalil Mack? Luke Kuechly?

If he inherited the 90's Cowboys OL, then he would be greatly protected. But Cardinals, Giants, Jaguars, Oakland? Those are not good lines.

Its really hard to compare guys now with even 10 years ago, as the offenses are so much more wide open. But one of the worst throwers of the football in memory, according to almost all is Tim Tebow. His college completion percentage, 66.4. To compare, KM, 67.4. Blake Bortles, 65.7.  So to say he has such a great arm, never know until he is in the league.

11 hours ago, CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS said:

What you say is true. What I’m saying is some guys do take a LOT more hits than others...

Murray certainly isn’t built to take too many big shots, but he’s so fast and quick that it will be a tall task to do such. 

Murray has a little more quickness, but not anywhere close to speed of RG3 or Michael Vick, how did those work out.

People seem to look at speed/quickness/strength in college and just think it translates the exact same to pros, but that isn't the case.

9 hours ago, CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS said:

Deion wasn’t a QB. If a QB does his job right(gets the ball out quick/slides before contact) and doesn’t have idiots blocking for him, he should be able to limit the blows that everyone loves talking about. 

Baker didn’t really take many “shots” last year, for example.

Deion avoiding contact a lot. QBs cant help but so much how much they get hit, it is somewhat dependent position, as they are depending on line to block, and stationary at times. Also aren't a lot of late hits/ roughing on defenders.

The odds of getting hit are exponentially higher for QBs

The major question isn't what he would make at the beginning though. It's what he could make over the course of his career. I don't think hes going in thinking he will fail.

And the other thing is how much of a price do you put on health. You are going to get hurt, question is when, how bad, and how often. Brady has been about the healthiest you will see, and he missed a season.

47 minutes ago, hoorta said:

At least Colin bothering to look up some stats, before he starts spewing his personal opinion BS.

The way he piles on against the Browns, seems he just loves to kick teams when they're down. LOL, now Cleveland fans are arrogant because after 20 or so years in the dumpster we're excited about the upswing?

That coming from the master of arrogance?

The funniest thing I heard from him about the Browns, "they have a little success and they act some way, this is the same organization that thought Bill Belichick wasnt any good." 

I have never tweeted in my life, but wanted to tweet him just to tell him how wrong and stupid he was, THAT organization is one that he praises.

He is a talking head, and when he makes a prediction, instead of going back on it, he doubles down and shows he is rooting against anything good

56 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

Where have you been...under a rock?  .Kingsbury was hired as HC in Arizona  three days ago.

Yes, I know that. That was my EXACT point in my post, Manny Diaz left Miami to be HC at Temple, days later went back to Miami. Kingsbury took OC job for USC in December, less that a month later he leaves them. Still don't see what to give credit for? 

11 hours ago, hoorta said:

I'll give Cow-pie credit at least for pointing this out. Other than beating Kansas with regularity, Kingsbury's coaching record sucks against the rest of the college ranks....   

I dont know what you are giving him credit for?

In a couple weeks, the Browns could probably land Manny Diaz and Kliff Kingsbury, they dont seem to stay at a job they get hired to for more than a couple weeks.

Then in the weeks that follow, we can revisit this lol 

Without ever meeting any of you guys, and never talking to the man, I consider the ones I have conversed with pals, even Ghoolie. 

Prayers to his wife, children, family, friends, and all of you guys who knew him. Its never easy losing someone close, even harder when it is unexpected. 

Father, we pray that you take care of Stan, like we know you will. And we pray you ease the hearts of all those he left behind and help them get through these tough times and celebrate all the good times he had. Amen