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can't beleive wilson is still on the team.....i liked him coming out of bama....thought he would be really good....but, man, you don't even hear his name mentioned during the game at all.....and he is out there on the field....i see number 51 alot.....don't get it....maybe it is joe woods d schemes or something.....

secondary has improve.....ty hill had 200 yds alone today....what?????????????????

maybe we get another shot at them, but we can't play bend and break d against a qb and wr's like they have...this ain't the 60's.....qb's are alot faster and quicker and the wideouts are so much faster and quicker....ala tyree hill etc etc....good luck with bend and break.....we will never see a sb with that style...

i agree with most of what you say....first of all....the chubb fumble turned the game in favor of kc....everything went downhill from there.......i don't know about the midset of not winning the first game..yes we do lose them but that has to chg...especially when you are playing a sb champion team...and you have them beat and let them off the hook...and our punter...eeeeeek....i am not very confident in any of our kickers and that is concerining....obj...to me, has not done anything with the browns...the dallas game last yr...they had one of the worse d in the history of the nfl last yr....my high school team could have scored against that d...so that's not saying much becasue since he has been with the browns he really has not lived up to expectations.....either its because he is not available to play or he is seen bitching about something on the sidelines....it has not happened with baker and obj period....i liked what we did against the run today...big improvement there...i don't think woods is going to be around much longer....wish we would get a top notch d coordinator...we need one....but as you say....long season...lets see what happens....

he had 2 shots vs the chiefs....one last yr in the divisional game and then today and failed.....can't blame the loss on him though....our defense stinks....can't create a turnover worth a shit....the secondary sucks...there is no improvement there.....dline looked good against the run today.....the qb rush had big issues today.....seems like they mostly over ran the rush...mahommes just steps up in the pocket and has all the options in the world....i don't know about our d coordinator....seems like we should have had some contain on mahommes....there was none at all....seems like all our dline just took bad angles or over ran the play.....and our special team play....yikes...

5......lots of bad draft picks...i agree with all of them that was stated....i have to say, the worse trade in pro sports, in my opinion, at least as far as the browns, was mike oliphant for byner....one of the worse trades ever in pro sports...well, maybe not as bad when the cubs traded lou brock to saint louie for for for...well i don't even know who for....but it could not have been good because the cubs were still shitty during that era....

noooooooooo......stay away from these future hall of famers that are way past their prime....we need young good player that can give us 5-7 yrs of good quality football...not this mcginnis....fujita....that number 24 we had from the eagles yrs ago who stunk to high heaven and did not do shit....we are not a team on defense that should be looking for someone to give us a yr of decent football and thats it....we are tooooooo far away from having a sb defense....we need everything......build it without delay....thats what good gm's do....

both those guys were not anywhere near what they used to be before coming to cleveland.....thats why their former teams got rid of them... neither of them were long term prospects.....anymore...

there is no doubt he would have with a sb appearance......who knows....maybe with some luck, he gets in anyway.....long shot but who knows...

that was a great era with marty and bernie.....and the rest of the browns....

man o man.....were they ever...

hopefully they find a cure in the future....big pharma is at least making some progress on it.....knew some folks that died from it also.....terrible disease....

no doubt.....once in a hospice, its just a matter of time.....sad news.....always liked marty......

fuck no.....way over his prime....this would be another blockheaded move like the willie mcginnis....scott fujita....jamal lewis moves.......like one of the posters said, we would be paying for his past performance....he's cooked....too many injuries..

yes sir.....very well deserved....

i'd like tosee him traded for some high draft picks.....so we can build a defense.....

he had some nice catches and he actually made some nice blocks.....

we can't continue to play this kind of d and expect a sb appearance....yeah, i agree with you.....even the so called good teams we beat, we had hugh leads and let them right back in the game....tennessee.....what was it...38-3 and the game came down to an on side kick.....i don't know if it was because of the injuries to delpit and williams or if joe just sucks big time as dc....either way whether its personnel or the dc....something has to change...

defense lost the game.....the helmet to helmet should have been called but i don't, in my opinion was the reason we lost.....we were given a gift from the good lord above and we could not capitalize on it.....the d let a backup qb scramble for 13 and a half yds......setting up the game winning pass completion....i believe if we held them there baker would have won the game.....the 13 yd scramble was the reason we lost.....

our dc sucks......

yeah steph made some bad decisions with time mgmt....but i like him...he will learn from this....he's not like every other coach we have had....which were all losers...he went up against andy reid....who is a hall of fame coach......now woods on the other hand.....eeeeeeyuk.....that all i have to say....

you are right.......no one is afraid of our d....overall, they stink....

i don't think he did either...however. and i know its tough to do because its a split second decision .....we have kareem hunt who is a beast inside the 5yd line....why take the chance on a fumble, which by the way...happened......i don't know....i don't like any reciever trying to stretch for the pylon....first thing i think of is a fumble.....i don't know what our reciever coach teaches these wide outs to do in that situation....its a tough call.....

just saying, beckham was a weapon when he was with the giants......overall, he has not done much with the browns.....

i give alot of credit to the chefs d.....honey badger was hugh....he was mostly responsible for stuffing the run.....defense wins games, not offense....they made the plays on d and we did not...