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I remember finding Ridgway on the map was just part of it we then had to get these guys to the job site which was scary at times. Sometimes you could almost see it but can't make a turn or back up or my big nightmare they'd drop to their axles in mud and I'd have to find bulldozers to pull them out. I loved that job we also did skyscrapers in Pittsburgh, the Canton HOF expansion, you name it but these small town jobs were unique. I was the inside man that coordinated the salesmen, engineering, manufacturing, delivery and everything else including job site visits as necessary. Fun high pressure job. Oh we owned all of our semis and trailers, our loss if they got trashed!

Wow 5 blocks, I almost did that the week I got my Bachelors degree I bought a house 200' from my parents house, loved it out in the country big lake about 1/4 mile away and I could shoot my firearms there! When I got my MBA I decided to go upscale to the cul-de-sac bigger house -but- still surrounded by woods and only 4 miles from my office. I do still miss the old neighborhood but don't tell my wife.

Ridgway, PA? I'm retired now but when I was in the steel joist and deck business back in the mid 1980s we had to deliver a really small load of joist for a job up in God's country up there in Ridgway. A full sized semi with 40' trailer from our plant in Indiana to the site, our sales office was responsible for eastern Ohio, western, PA and northern WVA and we had to get the drivers in there and out. I believe it was for a small store addition and I distinctly remember the driver saying "you want me to go where with this". Oh yeah, small world.

Wedgewood (no delivery!), Belleria, Elmton will keep you in pizza heaven for awhile. Plus even a lot of the ESPN announcing staff have hit the MVR down by YSU in ol' Smokey Hollow to enjoy some great Italian food and play some bocce, a totally hidden gem for many.

Geeezzz I'm making myself hungry and my wife's making some scrambled egg dish for lunch....not exactly pizza or lasagne. (BTW she is an excellent cook, I am too.)

Yes it's true a lot of "northern" sauces and tomato products, maybe the traditions or recipes themselves have that really good taste. I'm not sure over time if this has changed I did most of my real business travel years back. And I don't want to hijack the roll call thread into a best pizza or Italian food thread -but- food and where are you from and where are you now are somewhat related. ......remember that old favorite restaurant or pizza joint? I do. (Oh just look at my interests!)

Yes the very good and amazingly consistent WEDGEWOOD PIZZA and Youngstown area pizzas in general, so much better than in many other areas in the USA......and you know who you are! *oh a big disclaimer to some great pizzas I've had in Chicago, like Giordano's on Rush back on my first business trip in 1982, excellent.

Anybody here born in Cleveland, raised in Cleveland, worked in Cleveland, retired in Cleveland, planning on staying in Cleveland? Just curious. Kind of like the reverse in Spring break in 1969 and the early 1970s in Florida, I never met a native Floridian.

★ Rev. 1/19/24 just below. ★ I hope a few of you might have found this little trip back into history somewhat interesting in some way if nothing else to show how people and events and even fate can intersect in strange ways. * My classmate and friend Tom Catlin who went to Vietnam and was killed on 6/24/70 was also joined by another classmate and friend a really nice quiet guy named Gary Fleck who had just arrived in Vietnam and was killed two days after Sgt. Tom Catlin in died. PFC Gary L. Fleck was machine gunned and died on 6/26/70. If my memory serves me right Tom enlisted and went first, Gary drew #17 in the new 19 year old draft I drew #258, they went up to #202 that year. A good friend had a wife and child on the way drew #205, Gary left a wife and small child, such is how random fate can be. Oh another good friend who was a total 4F after a motorcycle accident drew #366 the highest number in the drawing. Only one other kid from Niles died in Vietnam that I know of David T. Orwig III on 3/25/68 just months before we graduated from Niles McKinley High School. All just memories now. ★ ■~~~~~~~~~~▪︎~~~~~~~~~~▪︎~~~~~~~~~~▪︎ ★ ▪︎~~~~~~~~~~▪︎~~~~~~~~~~▪︎~~~~~~~~~~■ ★ * (Rev. 1/19/2024) Just sitting back and reminiscing it's 5:37 pm just after sunset 22° looking accross a snow covered field in my backyard in Boardman, Ohio. So peaceful and tranquil now, and scroll through the pages on my tablet ... that some guest was here also just on this very page. I can only wonder about what he or she was thinking about on what they just read. These are the moments when you let your mind just wander. Or like when they have a Vietnam War Memorial shows that you think back about 50+ years to the great -or- tragic events of your life or those you knew. But I also like to think back on those excitimg moments like that one on that Saturday October 8, 1966 night and the game with Massilon versus our Niles McKinley Red Dragons in yet another clash of top Ohio high school teams in front of a packed house. Getting ready for the opening kickoff. ..... and finally it is here ! And then the action of the awaited game is on and the many moments of the game will be tomorrow's newspapers highlights. Including one that I will NEVER forget in my entire life when we scored the go-ahead touchdown against Massillion and my fnnriend Tom and I jumped straight up together in total excitement. We were going finally beat those Massillon Tigers on our home field and move up to clinch our 3rd State Championship in 6 years. Wow just wow. * And yes my friend Tom was later *Sgt Thomas D. Catlin was was killed. In Vietnam on 6/24/70 and like I've said before I was 19 then he will be forever 20 years old. ♥︎ Sincerely Rest in Peace pal. ■ And life goes on for most of us. ■

No steel mill in Youngstown where I started at 18 while going to college and stuck around for awhile. Great job and greater money, best time of my life had a blast.

One Superintendent I liked down the mill used to say "we all have our own axes to grind"...... I guess some just have very small ones.

Dennis H, on 22 Sept 2016 - 8:18 PM, said: Ashtabula. Somebody has to be. Well that should be worth extra points .....BTW good thread.

Amazing how some things you can remember every detail some things are a bit fuzzy and some you barely or don't recall at all well the Massillon vs Niles game was largely remember everything event. Massillon in 1966 was very good, up 12-0 at halftime their BIG FB and kicker held his we're #1 finger up for all 15,000 plus us players to see....I remember that, so did our team! We had to score in the late 4th, onside kick, score, onside kick, score again to win the game. I even remember the kid's name that got the second onside kick. When we scored the final TD we knew we had them, finally! I also remember the kid standing to my right on the field, we jumped straight up in the air and screamed grabbing each other his name Tom Catlin later Sgt. Thomas D. Catlin killed in Vietnam 6/24/70. I was 19 then he'll be forever 20. Some things you never forget.

I remember it well I was on the field that year, knee injury but still on the field. http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/sep/16/what-should-have-been/?mobile And an interview with Bob Shaw, 85 our old head coach sure brings back memories. We should have had our third Ohio state championship in six years and that was way before the playoff system existed. We were good and everybody we played and anybody who knew high school football knew it, we were #1.

■ Niles 1966: What should have been ■ Published: 9/16/16 @ 12:10 In 1966, the Niles football team went undefeated, but got no recognition in the polls By Steve Ruman sports@vindy.com http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/sep/16/what-should-have-been/?mobile This is supposed to be a story with a happy ending. This very well should be the joyous tale of a football team which ranks among the best from a program which is 118 years old. Undefeated seasons shouldnt end in disappointment. However, the story of the 1966 Niles McKinley Red Dragons is in fact the bittersweet saga of a town which celebrated a 10-0 campaign, and agonized the realities of state championships which were decided by coaches and sportswriters. Fifty years later, the 66 Niles team remains the last in school history to post an undefeated record. They are just one of three teams in school history which can claim an undefeated, untied campaign. The perfect record led to an All-American Conference title. While Niles won state titles in 1961 and 1963, its schedule in those two years could be viewed as weak in comparison to the 1966 slate. In fact, the 66 Dragons are the only team in Ohio history to defeat Canton McKinley, Massillon and Warren G. Harding in the same season. Still, the perfection wasnt enough for Niles to earn a third state title in six years. Instead, it finished second in the state behind Columbus Watterson in both the Associated Press and United Press International polls. THE ROAD TO PERFECTION In September of 1966, Niles unveiled its newly-renovated Riverside Stadium. Expanded by 4,200 seats, the home of the Red Dragons was now one of the largest and most impressive high school stadiums in the land. The timing was perfect. The 66 schedule featured nine straight home games, including tussles with All-American foes Canton McKinley and Massillon. Anchored by 22 lettermen, Niles was favored to win the AAC and contend for a third state title in six years. The Red Dragons were guided by second-year head coach Bob Shaw, who served under Tony Mason when Niles won its pair of state titles. Niles opened its season at home against a Canton McKinley squad which outscored the Dragons 148-6 in five previous meetings. Senior quarterback Bob Leonard engineered three drives which helped lead the Dragons to a 22-0 win over the Bulldogs. Blowout victories over Cleveland John Adams, Cleveland East Tech and Cincinnati Withrow would follow. The 4-0 start set up a showdown against Massillon in a game which most longtime Niles fans still regard as the greatest in school history. Shaw would go on to serve as a college assistant at Michigan, Arizona, Southern Illinois, Arkansas, Akron and West Virginia. While at West Virginia in 1988, he was the defensive coordinator when the Mountaineers played Notre Dame for a national title. Shaw also coached professionally in the United States Football League. Yet when asked to pinpoint his single greatest night on the sidelines, without hesitation Shaw reflects back to Oct. 8, 1966. In 1964, Massillon ended Niles 48-game unbeaten streak. The Tigers came to Niles in 66 defending state champs and riding a 32-game winning streak. Trailing 12-0 midway through the fourth quarter, Niles seemed on the verge of suffering its third loss to Massillon in three years after committing seven first-half fumbles. But with 15,000 fans looking on, the Dragons scored three touchdowns in the final 4:44 to defeat the Tigers, 20-12. Unless you lived in Niles in that era, there is no way for anyone to understand exactly what football meant to the community, Shaw said. Niles football was the focal point. Life revolved around Saturday nights in the fall. You didnt dare get married on a Saturday in September or October, because if you did no one showed up. The importance of that game from a community standpoint, and the way we rallied makes it the greatest game Ive ever been a part of. Now 85, Shaw is retired and living in Iowa. High school football was big business back then, Shaw said. If Niles lost, you could bet our house would be egged that night. If we were lucky, fans just put For Sale signs in the yard. Longtime area sportscaster Denny Liebert, a Niles native, was a teenager watching the victory over Massillon from the stands in the north end zone. He recalls every detail of the game like it was yesterday, in part because of his love for the Dragons, but mostly because of his disdain for the opposition. Oh, I hated Massillon, I still hate Massillon, Liebert said. They came to Niles with a reputation as the bully on the block. They had a sullied reputation because of their cheating and recruiting issues. To see Niles beat Massillon the way they did, to this day it was as big a thrill as anything Ive witnessed in sports. Lopsided wins would follow over Toledo Libby (48-14) and Akron St. Vincent (20-0) before the Dragons received a huge scare from Steubenville Catholic Central in a 6-0 victory Niles closed out its home schedule with a 52-8 rout of Toledo Central Catholic, setting the stage for the season-ending showdown at Warren. With its sights set on an AAC and state title, the Dragons received rushing touchdowns from Bruce Simeone, Gary Bletsch and Ron Hallock in a 22-6 win over the Panthers. Interceptions by Jim Kines and Steve Mawby helped secure the 10-0 season. We werent the greatest of players, but we were absolutely a great team, Kines said. As a unit, we played so well together we couldnt lose. We were so well-conditioned, so well-coached and we had a unity that made us special once we took the field. Simeone echoed the comments made by Kines, and pointed out that more than 20 members of the team recently converged at Bo Rein Stadium, where they were honored prior to the Sept. 2 Niles-Poland game. Were still the best of friends, Simeone said. To this day, my high school teammates are probably the closest group Ive ever been associated with. There was a bond which developed back then that still exists today. That bond led us to a 10-0 season. THE BUMP IN THE ROAD Niles entered the final week of the season ranked second behind Upper Arlington in both the UPI and AP polls. While Niles was defeating seventh-ranked Harding, Upper Arlington was suffering a 32-0 setback at the hands of fifth-ranked Columbus Watterson. We came back from Warren that night basically celebrating a state title, Leonard recalled. We didnt feel there was any way the championship could be taken away from us. We did everything asked of us against what most would argue was the toughest schedule in the state. However, the Dragons celebration was short-lived. Three days later, the UPI crowned Watterson state champs. Though Niles received more first-place votes (14 to 10), Watterson outscored Niles in total points 394-392. It was hard to imagine a fifth-ranked team could leapfrog all the way to No. 1, especially with Niles going on the road and handily beating the seventh-ranked Panthers, Liebert said. I remember the Watterson-Upper Arlington score being announced at Mollenkopf. Watterson 7-0, there was a huge roar. Watterson 14-0, an even louder roar. As the game became a blowout, I think there was an uneasy feeling from Niles fans. But still, no one believed Watterson would move all the way to the top. It was later learned that two coaches left Niles completely off their ballots. The glaring omissions prevented Niles from winning its third title in six years. Years later, Liebert interviewed Bill Shunkwiler, who coached Harding in 1966. At the time I talked to Bill he was an old man and in failing health, but he had vivid memories of that season, Liebert said. I had always heard he was one of the coaches who left Niles off his ballot, so I asked him if it was true. Sure enough, Bill confirmed. I asked why, and he simply replied, I didnt think they were that good. You have to remember that even 10-place votes would have given Niles a title. No one can justify that Niles didnt belong in the top ten. In the AP poll, Watterson received much of its support from the southern portion of the state. Watterson became the first non-Northeast Ohio school to win a title. Again, two voters left Niles completely off their ballots. I remember being in the basement of Alberinis the night of the voting, Leonard said. The entire team and coaching staff, we were there for what was supposed to be a celebration. I just remember walking up the stairs and out of the restaurant in disbelief. It was total silence. We did feel robbed. Shortly after the final polls were released, Shaw and other coaches pressured the Ohio High School Athletic Association to pursue a system where championships would be decided on the field. Six years later, playoff football came to Ohio. This is a tough pill for any Niles fan to swallow, but I truly believe that the 66 season was good for Ohio high school football, Liebert said. The voting that year was such a travesty that it set in motion the system we have today. While the 66 Dragons have no state trophy for their efforts, they do take solace in knowing they went 10-0 and won a conference title in a league which at the time was considered perhaps the best in the country. Players from that whole era, we still get together frequently, Simeone said. The older guys have their titles. We have wins over Massillon, Harding and Canton. Who were the better Niles teams? I guess that will always give us something to bicker about. Thats the fun of sports. Despite being snubbed by both wire services, the Dragons were named the top team in Ohio by the National Sports News Service. The service also tabbed Niles the fifth ranked team in the country.

Oh yes William McKinley born in Niles, OH later moved to Canton, OH but we will always be first. My Edison junior high school was less than two blocks from the McKinley Memorial Library, I used to go there every day or two or so to get a book to read back then, went through quite a few shelves there before moving on to Niles McKinley High School in 1965. Oh we were state champs in 1961 and 1963 and should have been in 1966 my junior season 10-0-0 with 6 shutouts! Undefeated at home for 9 consecutive seasons, great sports memories.

That's a cheap trick Gipper, shame on you. .....and yes it worked of course. Originally from Niles, OH, hometown of one Bo Rein saw him play at Niles McKinley HS when I was a kid. Great player unlimited future in coaching was to take the place of LSU's legendary coach Charlie Mcclendon when in January 1980 the new LSU football coach Bo Rein was killed in a plane crash while returning from a recruiting trip to Shreveport. ESPN did a 30 for 30 on him, Google it up.

I remember one of our steel manufacturing plants was in St. Joe, IN and they did not change for daylight savings time (might now who knows?) but it was strange coordinating with engineering, manufacturing, sales, the office etc. They'd have to assign at least one girl there to follow us in Ohio. Confusing for our clients also.

Amazing how many retired NFL guys like that 17+ week announcing or analyst gig or individual team announcer or the NCAA TV or radio route, not bad work for NFL careers that might not last that long plus it might be fun. The much longer season but less physically demanding MLB career guys also like the TV and radio work but many retire out to coach their kids teams also not a bad gig. Coaching or managing can be unusual many stars don't seem to end up there compared to more average (less career paid?) players.

http://old.post-gazette.com/lifestyle/20011208lowry1208fnp3.asp I saw this on PBS, it was quite interesting. ....Analysis showed that the living room cantilever supports not only itself but the one above it -- the master terrace that leads from the master bedroom and rests on the living room's steel window frames. To stop the deflection, Silman determined there was only one pragmatic solution: Strengthen three of the four concrete beams under the living room with a post-tensioning system that will hold them tautly in place. High-strength steel cables will be added along each side of the beams, with one end anchored in new concrete blocks attached to the beams and the other end fed through a hole drilled through the outside wall of the living room. Hydraulic jacks will gradually tighten the cables and then permanently anchor them, stopping the deflection. The engineers won't try to correct it; at this point that would only cause more problems. Just as importantly, the deflection will continue to tell, at a glance, the 20th-century history of the house. In addition to making other structural repairs, workers also are waterproofing the flat-roofed house. Water damage is especially evident in the guest bathroom, where the cork walls are stained and concrete is spalling. The house that cost $155,000 to build will take $11.5 million to restore, a figure that also includes water treatment, sewage and landscape improvements to be done over the next few years. Restoration of the house will be completed next year......

MANY years back the wife and I took a trip to Uniontown, PA and took an impromptu unplanned trip to all the sites in the Mt. Washington/Ft. Neccesity area it was quite fun -but- I kept seeing the Falling Water signs and being a Frank Lloyd Wright fan wanted to see it but we just ran out of time. We drove back in the fall through beautiful Scenery, PA and up through northern WVA but I've always regretted not seeing Falling Water.....before the major safety renovations.

On ATMs we have used the ATMs rarely that are in some ABC stores (and they are really nice and everywhere in Waikiki and elsewhere ). I prefer those as it's more private, over the ones that are right out in the public for all to see. Anyway some did charge a fee for those machines years back, but it was small, maybe $2. For stateside I'd call your issuing bank to check on details . My brother is touring Canada now and found some big surprises on banks, calling cards, cell usage and more. I prefer charge cards for most things .