Pat Mahomo

As I understand it...this place is going away for good very soon. My screen name should go back to Zerovoltz before this place shuts out the lights. If not, the Browns will be cursed!........well even more than they already are! ....stuff like this is why you guys can't have a winner....

Pat Mahomes > Myles Garrett

I expect TV ratings from Cleveland to be through the roof this weekend for the AFCCG featuring the good football team in Ohio, and the best QB in the NFL, hosting the AFCCG for the 4th year in a row. Seems like some compelling storylines there that Cleveland folks might find interesting.

We have Pat Mahomes Cleveland picked 1/1 in that draft and took Garrett....really good player....DE's don't win championships. Cleveland had pick 12 in that same draft...KC moved up from 27 all the way to 10. Cleveland traded out of 12.

LOL!!!

Signing Jarran Reed was supposed to make the line overall better. Ried has been a total non factor. Jones has been both hurt, and ineffective at edge. He'll be back insisde soon.

Baker back throwing on sideline.

You guys are going to be pissed when I win it.

Just noting the pass rush.....In the past, going back to 2018, KC has their OT by design....set up to cover the inside move and then ride the pass rushers around to the back....with the idea Mahomes would step up and/or out to the side as the tackles safely guide the edge rushers to the rear. This worked spectacularly well in 2018, when KC still had Mitch Morse at C...after he left in FA, in 2019, this still worked, but not as well because the tackles still did their jobs well, but the interior O linemen, especially C Austin Rieter (a former brown) could not block well. In 2020 it was worse as Laurant Dueverney Tardiff opted otu for Covid..and then we started getting hit with injuries. ....I wouldn't be discouraged by your edge rushers....but too often either your edge guys got ran around to the rear by design..AND...the important part...the Chiefs IOL were able to hold together so Mahomes in fact had a place to step up to or step out. I am NOT diminishing your D line...I was impressed by the whole thing...we had a hard time running for the most part. ...I would say that the new KC line, produced a VAST improvement here...having the ability to keep the space in teh middle open for mahomes to move to. The times when the Cleveland rush did get Mahomes...it was when he kept drifting farther back....due to the interior space not being available. You guys are going to have ALOT of success against lessor lines and QB's.

I did have a bet on the game..and I lost that. Cleveland had a great gameplan....run at our smallish interior line....use play action....very very effective. Mayfield looked great. your run game was rolling. Cleveland is the team that is kind of zigging when everyone else is zagging....KC is NOT equipped this year to handle a strong run oriented team with a mauling line. Last year we had Mike Pennel in the middle...he isn't much to talk about, but on KC's line, he was a key piece that helped stop the run because he was big and hard to move. KC is tarting Tershawn Wharton at DT...the dude is 250. KC is built to get a lead and rush the passer. Not, to get behind and have to endure a mauling like that. perfect plan. I won't even say missing honeybadger had anything to do with it...that would have went pretty much the same as it did VS our D-line. Our new O line was OK...seemed like the interior guys did allright. Garrett was getting around Orlando Brown all game....which was still OK because Mahomes kept stepping up until that sack late in the game. All in all...Cleveland had a couple of BACK BREAKING mistakes....and it cost you all in the end. A couple things to consider...when you play Mahomes....you gotta be focused...KC is never out of a game as long as he's the QB. You had us....and then suddenly, you didn't. I watched all of the Buffalo / Pittsburg game today. I bet many of you did also. The Bills O line SUCKS. The Bills D is allright but they couldn't get to big Ben. Before the season, I would have had it in the AFC. 1. KC 2. Buff 3. Cleveland. After today...I'd put Cleveland at 2 (and would be at 1 if you won, but now KC has a very important tie breaker) and you all are solidly no.2. I am really looking forward to seeing what you guys look like against a more stout D line than what we roll out there with. On a final note....I didn't see who won the toss today, but normally I am very happy to see KC kick first to get that important second half kick.....I think KC should reconsider that strategy given the design of our D.....we need to be playing from out in front...and maybe taking opening kicks and putting up the first 7 might have been better, especially VS Cleveland. Your team is impressive.

Frankly, if we don’t have to play you guys again in the playoffs, that would be fine.

How’s everyone doin?

I think this is something both fan bases can celebrate. Marty was a hell of a coach!

I've been here for 3 years. ....anyhow....final score....KC 38, Cleveland 17. Regardless of outcome, I'll be around.

Yes....even as great as Mahomes is....he isn't effective when when he has a 2nd string LT, a 3rd string LG, the worst starting C in the NFL, a 2nd string G and a 3rd string RT play VS the best front 4. It is afterall, still a team game...and when you are down to the garbage heap for starting O linemen....your team is in trouble.

You'd be correct.

Visiting this board Sunday night is giong to be fun.

Box stats always need context.....and the context of this was KC was up 19-3 with Mahomes driving deep into cleveland territory, we had dominated the game in yards and were about to put more points on teh board.....Mahomes got a concussion, we kicked a field goal...and then you guys tried to rally late and couldn't do it. You mounted 300 yards of offense for the game. Taht wasn't good enough to beat 3 quarters of mahomes and a little more than a quarter of awful chad henne. You also played the NFC East last year and went 4-0 in those games with a plus 44 Point differential.. you were 7-5 VS everyone else with a -11 differential. You aren't as great as yhou think you are.

Gloat? I am posting stats. The stats are the stats.

1. My point about Mahomes sacks is to demonstrate that with a very average to below average line, Mahomes was hard to sack. I keep hearing from you guys that Myles garrett....and.............Javon Clowney are going to crush him. Highly unlikely even before the Chiefs upgraded the line...and now less likely. 2. KC played starters A LOT more than most NFL teams did this preseason and they logged alot of tme VS other teams starters...granted there was alot of vanilla, like there always is in preseason games....but here are some things to look at and ponder.....

.....that was a tough break...but it wasn't the game.....for F***s sake....you guys put up 300 total yards of offesne, and we out rushed your vaunted running game. you were 3/3 on 4th down and STILL compiled only 300 yards.

Hey @Zombo ....when KC crushes you guys this Sunday, I want my name back.

Mayfield was sacked 26 times last year behind the "top rated" pass protection line in the NFL. Mahomes was sacked 22 times behind a line that even when healthy, was ranked only as a mediocre pass protection unit last year. Mahomes is hard to sack even when his line is MEH. The line he has now.....I've seen it in preseason....but even if you or I never saw it together at all thus far....it would be a fairly safe assumption to say this is the best line Mahomes has had since he''s been in KC. I HAVE seen it in preseason.....it IS much better. I won't convince you because I have what must certainly be a clear KC bias...but you aren't going to be in for a good day this Sunday. Also.....Watch for some crazy formations....Don't be surprised if KC throws out some 3 TE sets at you that that they pass out of.

I keep seeing this all over the place here. "Pass defense is fixed" .....Ok. It's fixed.... So is KC's oline.