WPB Dawg Fan Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 OK, this is a stretch...but on ColdHardFootballFacts.com the Browns are now ranked #2 on the BENDABILITY INDEX The Bendability Index is the first and only stat on Planet Pigskin to quantify the phenomenon of the "bend but don't break" defense. But as we've long noted, it is not a measure purely of defensive efficiency. Instead, with a very simple figure, it takes into consideration many, many team-wide factors, including special teams proficiency, turnover differential, red zone defense and a variety of other factors, and tells you which teams force opponents to work the hardest to score points. http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Artic...lity_Index.html The Titans are #1, Browns #2, Ravens #10, Steelers # 13 Basically, it means teams have to WORK HARD to score points! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JewDago Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 while it's great that the browns' defense is better than it's been since the old browns (or at least since we last made the playoffs), can you really put any faith in a stat that takes into account such a wide range of factors? does it also take into account the weather conditions that the games are played in? the other offenses' success against other defenses? seems like a flimsy stat to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTBH Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 The Steelers and Ravens still have better defenses for my money. But we're coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTBH Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 What's your point? My point was, bendability is a nice stat, but overall the Steelers and Ravens still have better defenses. That's all. I'd rather be less bendable than more bendable given a certain PPG allowance. So what is this stat really saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furnier Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Bendability should be a stat being discussed over on the Cheerleader thread. Just saying. DWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPB Dawg Fan Posted October 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 What's your point? My point was, bendability is a nice stat, but overall the Steelers and Ravens still have better defenses. That's all. I'd rather be less bendable than more bendable given a certain PPG allowance. So what is this stat really saying? The stat is basically saying teams have to work REALLY HARD and go a LOT OF YARDS to score on the Browns Defense. It basically means that offenses are more than likely going to have to go the entire length of the field to get a score on us. With our stats, it takes an average of 134 yds to get a TD against us. With the steelers, it takes an average of 105 yds to get a TD. So, if we both give up 315 yds, the steelers give up 21 pts....and we give up 16 or so. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTBH Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 You're reading those stats unrealistically, John. Bendability doesn't mean it "takes a team" X amount of yards to score a touchdown. It means we're giving up yards/field position in between giving up touchdowns. That's a more realistic look at it. And I'd be willing to bet if you took the teams with the lower "number of yards it takes to get a TD" GIVEN a constant PPG allowed, they'd all be the HIGHER ranked defenses in the NFL. Because they don't give up a ton of yards and field position and do get 3 and outs. I'd rather give up yards than TDs, I understand that. I guess all I'm trying to say is, this is not necessarily a positive statistic to be ranked highly in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPB Dawg Fan Posted October 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 You're reading those stats unrealistically, John. Bendability doesn't mean it "takes a team" X amount of yards to score a touchdown. It means we're giving up yards/field position in between giving up touchdowns. That's a more realistic look at it. And I'd be willing to bet if you took the teams with the lower "number of yards it takes to get a TD" they'd all be the HIGHER ranked defenses in the NFL. Because they don't give up a ton of yards and do get 3 and outs. the bottom 10 are: Lions Colts Rams Cardinals Jets Cowboys Bengals Texans Vikings 49ers Please, show me the GOOD defense!!! The Vikes are the only top 10 in yards (#8) and the Cowboys are the best in scoring (#17). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 It's an interesting concept. I disagree with the giving up of field position. If you give up field position, that means that next time the opponent's offense needs fewer yards to score, so the yards required per touchdown would even out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koa Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 The Browns have had a "bend but don't break" defense in the Crennel era. Makes sense we're good at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roach Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 This has definately been a Bend But Not Break defense. While the formula is probably quite subjective, i'm not surprised that we are ranked so high (regardless how it is defined). i'll take any high ranking that we can get. Speaking of stats, i noticed that we have the NFL's 4th best turnover differential. That's one that i do understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ATENEARS Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Does anyone else get the feeling that our entire run defense all hinges on the play of Shaun Rogers? Do we even have anything else besides Rogers that teams need to avoid? I think we got lucky in Jacksonville. Those dumbasses tried to run smack dab right through Rogers. WTF, were they thinking? I'd spread our day-late and a dollar-short LB's out and put up seven a crack through their arm tackles and game of chase, but no way would I attempt to run directly up the middle with Rogers in there. I wasn't to pleased with our soft secondary coverage last week. Why in the hell can't we line-up off the line consistiently from one game to the next. I hate them 15-25 yards off the ball formations, and on our heels too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTBH Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 You're reading those stats unrealistically, John. Bendability doesn't mean it "takes a team" X amount of yards to score a touchdown. It means we're giving up yards/field position in between giving up touchdowns. That's a more realistic look at it. And I'd be willing to bet if you took the teams with the lower "number of yards it takes to get a TD" they'd all be the HIGHER ranked defenses in the NFL. Because they don't give up a ton of yards and do get 3 and outs. the bottom 10 are: Lions Colts Rams Cardinals Jets Cowboys Bengals Texans Vikings 49ers Please, show me the GOOD defense!!! The Vikes are the only top 10 in yards (#8) and the Cowboys are the best in scoring (#17). John, if you go back and read my post I edited it to say "at a given PPG allowed." Which does make a big difference, I bet. Though, somebody else noted that giving up field position only means the opposition has less to go the next time they score. Which pretty much blows my theory out of the water. So, props for this stat. IT is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ATENEARS Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 And stan that was super apparent on that 4th and 1 Jacksonville converted when they finally wised up and ran a toss left, and the king of bad angles Davis misses the tackle by about two feet because he did what? that's right, took a poor angle to the ball carrier. Sean Jones pissed me off more on that play. He got i WAY early, and instead of jamming the block up and turning that play inside, he (I think) attempted to roll block and possibly cause a pile-up but it went down as a cowardly attempt and they converted. I was screaming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Does anyone else get the feeling that our entire run defense all hinges on the play of Shaun Rogers? Do we even have anything else besides Rogers that teams need to avoid?If what you mean by that is we're totally screwed if Rogers goes down, then yeah - I get that feeling.D'Qwell can ball.For sure. It's ironic that our best 3-4 linebacker is the one whose physical profile supposedly doesn't fit the scheme. Like Rogers, I'm hoping that D'Qwell can play all 16 regular season games. He missed multiple games each of his first two seasons, but I'm hoping that having Big Baby in front of him will help keep him healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d531 Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Do we even have anything else besides Rogers that teams need to avoid? Short answer, yes.......... Kissing KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes10_Ward_86 Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 OK, this is a stretch...but on ColdHardFootballFacts.com the Browns are now ranked #2 on the BENDABILITY INDEX The Bendability Index is the first and only stat on Planet Pigskin to quantify the phenomenon of the "bend but don't break" defense. But as we've long noted, it is not a measure purely of defensive efficiency. Instead, with a very simple figure, it takes into consideration many, many team-wide factors, including special teams proficiency, turnover differential, red zone defense and a variety of other factors, and tells you which teams force opponents to work the hardest to score points. http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Artic...lity_Index.html The Titans are #1, Browns #2, Ravens #10, Steelers # 13 Basically, it means teams have to WORK HARD to score points! I wonder what the Browns are ranked on this thing after Jay Cutler torched their secondary for 450 yards passing with a 90 yard TD included...Cant be too good Im guessing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPB Dawg Fan Posted November 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 This is BENDABILITY...so you obviously haven't a clue as to how it works....last week was worse for this stat than this week was. We were #4 going into this week....and this week we posted a 16.6 rating...which would still be 7th in the league. As opposed to the Stoolers who are ranked 9th (16.16)...so just go away now while we discuss the Browns... We don't mind you piping in when we discuss your shitzburg team...or have somthing to add, but this sniping is not going to be tolerated. Fair warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich4eagle Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Keep up the work on the Bendability Index. It is a good thing.........Bend but do not Break Defense is not a losing strategy ..............if YOU HAVE A GOOD OFFENSE...... The theory is get tough in the red zone and let your offense get enough points to win handily This was the successful strategy of the Browns in 50's and 60's............which included eight world Championship games and four wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Masters Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Unfortunately the CLE D breaks at the wrong times. The D needs a leader on the field, just like the O does (which I think they have now). But I don't see anyone on the field or the bench that will fill that roll for the D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegasdogg Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 So, if we both give up 315 yds, the steelers give up 21 pts....and we give up 16 or so. It's a BS stat, plain and simple. Should be called Breakability, because that's what is happening. Oh, and the Steelers are 6-3 because they sack the shit out of teams. They lead the league with 32 and we don't have 1/2 that many @ 14. Plus we avg slightly less per game in points given up (19 vs 22) than Pitt, but avg 145 rush yds vs thier 3rd ranking 79 per game. Our defense cannot play consistently game in and game out. Some genius RAC turned out to be. We need to change course next year, because if he cannot create a dominating D what good is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes10_Ward_86 Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 So, if we both give up 315 yds, the steelers give up 21 pts....and we give up 16 or so. It's a BS stat, plain and simple. Should be called Breakability, because that's what is happening. Oh, and the Steelers are 6-3 because they sack the shit out of teams. They lead the league with 32 and we don't have 1/2 that many @ 14. Plus we avg slightly less per game in points given up (19 vs 22) than Pitt, but avg 145 rush yds vs thier 3rd ranking 79 per game. Our defense cannot play consistently game in and game out. Some genius RAC turned out to be. We need to change course next year, because if he cannot create a dominating D what good is he? The Steelers record is 6-2 buddy not 6-3...The only stat that matters are wins and losses in the end.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich4eagle Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Desert Dawg the Steelers are 6-2................and yes BBDB defenses do work............we have a bend and break D.............and your boy Savage is the real problem not Crennel..............you can only do so much with average............and average is what Phil has provided.......or worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes10_Ward_86 Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 This is BENDABILITY...so you obviously haven't a clue as to how it works....last week was worse for this stat than this week was. We were #4 going into this week....and this week we posted a 16.6 rating...which would still be 7th in the league. As opposed to the Stoolers who are ranked 9th (16.16)...so just go away now while we discuss the Browns... We don't mind you piping in when we discuss your shitzburg team...or have somthing to add, but this sniping is not going to be tolerated. Fair warning. Only stat that matters to me and should matter to you in reality is the Browns already have as many losses as the Steelers have wins after only 9 games...That cant be a good thing can it??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Masters Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 Desert Dawg the Steelers are 6-2................and yes BBDB defenses do work............we have a bend and break D.............and your boy Savage is the real problem not Crennel..............you can only do so much with average............and average is what Phil has provided.......or worse Rogers is at least one piece that is more than average. RAC is who wants the 3-4 scheme, which you know is far harder to fill than a 4-3. Savage deserves blame, but RAC deserves more. He is the guy coaching these guys. I know you can only coach up so much, but I've seen more with less on other teams D's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr59eagle Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 You are right the Browns Defense is #2 ..I guess with the foul lanuage blocker , that's the 'code" you have to use instead of saying the Browns Defense is sh&t and only a complete" koolaid drinking moron "would say that this team has a Defense that could even be close to the same level as the Ravens ,or the Steelers or Giants !! Those teams hold onto leads and WIN games while their Offenses are struggling ..they do not give up 13+ leads in the 4th Quarter---- TWICE IN A ROW....#2 Defenses do that !!!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Broken Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 Go some place and come up with a good plan to pull your head out of your ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr59eagle Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 Please stop dude your killin' me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Masters Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Does anyone bother to read the opening post in this thread, or bother to notice it was starter before the BALT game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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