Liberals Love Death Panels

[Mr. T]

Liberals Love Death Panels

 

 

 

When Sarah Palin correctly pointed out that Obamacare had built in death panels that would ultimately lead to needed medical treatments to seniors being cut to save money, the Left flipped out. They claimed that it was crazy to suggest that there was something like that in the bill and they assured everyone that they would never, ever, ever back something like that, and that they were offended that Palin even suggested it.

 

Of course, there was one problem with that assertion: Liberals have no qualms about lying to the American people. They do it all the time. That's how they deal with the fact that many of their views are unpopular: They just lie about what they want to do. It's such a common occurrence that liberals often just assume liberal politicians who say things that differ from the liberal line are lying. For example, do you ever wonder why liberals, for the most part at least, give Barack Obama a pass for being against gay marriage? There's a simple reason for it: They think he's lying.

 

That's how it is with death panels. When a bill with death panels in it was in front of the American people, liberals claimed to be against death panels. But isn't it funny that since Obamacare became law, stories about liberals who support death panels keep dribbling out?

 

See, that's how it works. They lie to get you to support their position, then they start talking about it a little bit, and then eventually, liberals start talking about it en masse like everyone knew what they were getting into right from the start.

Want some examples?

Currently, Medicare is not allowed to deny a treatment based on cost alone, but in the coming years, "it will be difficult to sustain coverage of these very costly procedures considering the Medicare program is facing a huge long-term deficit," Howard says.

 

"Ten years, 20 years down the road, Congress is going to have to rewrite the law to allow cost to play into coverage decisions." --

David Howard

, assistant professor in the department of Health Policy and Management at Emory's Rollins School of Public Health.

"Some years down the pike, we're going to get the real solution, which is going to be a combination of death panels and sales taxes. It's going to be that we're actually going to take Medicare under control, and we're going to have to get some additional revenue, probably from a VAT. But it's not going to happen now." --

Paul Krugman

That's a tradeoff society is making because of very, very high medical costs and a lack of willingness to say, you know, is spending a million dollars on that last three months of life for that patient, would it be better not to lay off those ten teachers and to make that tradeoff in medical costs. But that's called a death panel and you're not supposed to have that discussion. --

Bill Gates

Know why society never has that conversation, Bill? Because when conservatives point out that liberals want to do something unpopular, like kill old people by withholding medical treatment in order to save money, liberals deny that's what they believe. Hell, PolitiFact, which is a left-wing organization that pretends to be a right-down-the-middle outfit, actually declared that 'Death Panels' was the "Lie of the Year" for 2009. Certainly that wasn't true! Certainly that could never happen! Yet, the bill passed, and suddenly liberals are trying to lay the groundwork to kill Grandma because we can't have everyone else paying for her medical treatment.

 

Of course, the extra cost of paying for that medical treatment is built into the current system and it's one of the reasons prices have risen so fast. Could we cut the costs of medical treatment in the United States dramatically by cutting back on the amount of end-of-life medical treatment that we give people? Absolutely.

 

However, most Americans don't like this idea because they're good hearted people and also because they know that those they love may very well be in that position one day and they don't want to see them denied medical treatment. Conservatives tend to like the idea even less than the average American because we put a particularly high value on innocent human life. We're not the pro-life party for nothing. Liberals, on the other hand, kind of like the idea of letting old people die to save money for the state, but when it was time to make the case, they didn't have the guts to argue for what they believed in. So instead, they denied that was what they wanted to do, they put it in the bill anyway, and now they're trying to prepare the public for it while they hope some nameless, faceless, unelected committee full of bureaucrats will just force it on the American people.

 

Heck, if all you "useless eaters" out there who are a net drain on the state could be so kind as to go ahead and die, liberals like Hanna Rosin at Slate will even go so far as to call you a "hero" for it,

Ann Hulbert’s late mother is my new hero. In this lovely essay in the American Scholar, Ann describes how her mother, in her last months, turned down radical medical intervention of dubious value. She did not do this because she googled a million medical sites and called in favors from doctor friends who weighed the evidence. She did it in order to stay true to her temperament and her philosophy.

 

Here is the exchange between Ann’s mother and the doctor:

“If geezers like me have lots of tests and treatments,” she told the doctor, “there isn’t going to be enough money to spend on the other end. This health-care mess isn’t going to be fixed if we aren’t ready to get out of the way.” Nonplussed on his little stool, he shook his head and raised an eyebrow. “Well, I’ve heard that view before, but never from someone in your situation. People generally change their tune when it suddenly applies to them.”

If you choose not to get medical treatment to try to extend your life when you're very ill, that's your choice. Some people who are sick and in a lot of pain may look at the quality of their life and decide it's not worth it. I respect that decision. But, it doesn't make you a hero and honestly, it's sick to applaud a woman for ending her own life in order to "get out of the way" of the government's health care plan.

 

Source

[Mr. T]

PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'Death panels'

 

Read about the Liars Here

[Westside Steve]

Actually T I love death panels too.

There comes a time for many when it's time to pull the plug.

I suppose if a family has the resources to keep the patient in a vegetative state indefinitely then it's up to them.

I don't think the state or the insurcos should be obligated.

WSS

[Mr. T]

Steve don't you think that along with the death panels. The FDA will also look at life extending drugs as a cost factor?

 

IMO not everyone that will be effected by this will be in a vegative state. I'm sure you will need to be at a young enough age and weather or not if you ar still able to produce income for the state will come into consideration if you will or will not be able to receive healthcare or not.

[calfoxwc]

As in, if you are worth giving a heart transplant, in the fascist liberal states eyes,

 

you can get one.

 

Or, you can reap disfavor from the state, by forgetting you don't live in Free America anymore,

 

then, you can just die. Even if you are only 21... or 8.....or 39....

 

Remember, the weathermen calmly talked about how millions of Americans would have to be "terminated".

 

Bill Ayers... ObaMao's buddy.

 

And yes, Obamao SAID the intent of his gov hc plan, would be to eliminate all private insurance carriers.

[Westside Steve]

Cal I don't think there's a private insurance company out there that doesn't limit treatments and medications.

We know that Medicare certainly does.

 

And it's not just cutting edge procedures.

I doubt any family would chosse to bankrupt itself to keep an elderly member in a nursing facility without a very good chance of recovery and useful life.

 

And there are a finite amnount of available organs for transplant now.

Give the liver to a kid who's had hep c or the 80 year old alkie?

WSS

[calfoxwc]

Our insurance is outstanding. But a lot of folks don't have it that way, I know.

 

I keep asking, why in the hell screw up our entire med ins system, that works excellently, to

 

give other's the op to have med insurance?

 

Ulterior motive, again, by the Obamao revolutionaries? I think so.

 

I'm tired of the liberals' emotional lies/half truths to get the impact,

 

instead of the logical solutions to problems.

 

When we see problems CAUSED dramatically, in the guise of solving a problem?

 

I hear corrupt intentions talking.

[Westside Steve]

Our insurance is outstanding. But a lot of folks don't have it that way, I know.

 

I keep asking, why in the hell screw up our entire med ins system, that works excellently, to

 

give other's the op to have med insurance?

 

Ulterior motive, again, by the Obamao revolutionaries? I think so.

 

I'm tired of the liberals' emotional lies/half truths to get the impact,

 

instead of the logical solutions to problems.

 

When we see problems CAUSED dramatically, in the guise of solving a problem?

 

I hear corrupt intentions talking.

 

 

There's truth in that sure.

I just don't want to attack Obamacare unfairly.

(plenty of other garbage about it)

But private insurance isn't carte blanche either.

And individuals who want super exppensive treatment for dying patients usually don't want it badly enough to mortgage the house.

And when Blue Cross OR Obamacare is reequired to pay up we all pay up.

WSS

[calfoxwc]

Steve, I'd like to believe that profoundly irresponsible expenditures like that don't occur,

 

except in some hospital run by George "I kill you with a lot of my money" Soros.... @@

[Westside Steve]

Steve, I'd like to believe that profoundly irresponsible expenditures like that don't occur,

 

except in some hospital run by George "I kill you with a lot of my money" Soros.... @@

 

Well Cal me too but when it comes to one's own family who knows?

If there's no fiscal responsibility why not just wait and see?

There's always hope right?

But hardly anyone will choose to sell the house to keep that hope alive.

Medicare private iunsurance or self pay needs a "death panel" to decide where the money goes or stops.

All I say is that it's happeni9ng as we speak and regardless of the faults in Obamacare that one isn't a new idea by any stretch of the imagination.

 

WSS