Phil Taylor Ready To Get Ben Roethlisberger

[Toilet Cookie]

When speaking to the Cleveland media Friday, Taylor got right to the point: “I know how much the Cleveland fans hate Pittsburgh and I look forward to the matchup … (Ben Roethlisberger) is a great quarterback, but when I am going to play against him, he is going to go down.”

 

 

Aim for the knees, Phil!

 

Nice to see Browns' rookies jumping right into the rivalry.

[Gafreleets]

"When speaking to the Cleveland media Friday, Taylor got right to the point: “I know how much the Cleveland fans hate Pittsburgh and I look forward to the matchup … (Ben Roethlisberger) is a great quarterback, but when I am going to play against him, he is going to go down.”

 

 

as most browns fans around here that pick your team to go to the superbowl every year.......talk is cheap.

 

 

not that getting to ben has been the hardest thing in the world to do with our O-line, but many a big man has gotten biatch'd by ben throwing them off like rag dolls and still making the play.

 

 

not to mention he's gonna be getting stone walled by pouncey.

[Harry Buffalo]

"When speaking to the Cleveland media Friday, Taylor got right to the point: “I know how much the Cleveland fans hate Pittsburgh and I look forward to the matchup … (Ben Roethlisberger) is a great quarterback, but when I am going to play against him, he is going to go down.”

 

 

as most browns fans around here that pick your team to go to the superbowl every year.......talk is cheap.

 

 

not that getting to ben has been the hardest thing in the world to do with our O-line, but many a big man has gotten biatch'd by ben throwing them off like rag dolls and still making the play.

 

 

not to mention he's gonna be getting stone walled by pouncey.

 

Still to be seen, but I can't help but feel like if Brian Shafering can get 2 sacks on Ben, then The combo of Taylor, Rubin, Shear, and Benard should be able to get there share on him next season.

[Gips]

Talk is cheap but as a browns fan i still like the attitude and the mental edge it can bring to the whole defense, i hope that taylor and sheard can deliver the pain to go along with the lip service...

[USFBrown]

At least he's playing to the fans. It shows he cares. I like it and hope he can make good on his promise. Hopefully Pouncey wont try to kiss him.

[nickers]

Fatass better lose some weight before he talks about getting to somebody...until then..."SHUT UP"

[sisky fringo]

338, 385 >> im not concerned for now. after a year in an NFL conditioning program his weight and strength shouldnt be an issue. with Rubin and the coaches adding to his technique this kid could actually make an impact this season.

 

i like that he's calling them out so early, says a lot. he's now denounced Pittsburgh several times publicly. this should have completely squashed any perceived loyalty to Pittsburgh in CLE fans eyes. not much more the man can do. now all he's gotta do is produce.

 

 

 

Still to be seen, but I can't help but feel like if Brian Shafering can get 2 sacks on Ben, then The combo of Taylor, Rubin, Shear, and Benard should be able to get there share on him next season.

 

do we still have Roth? i really hope so, he was probably our best pass rusher. and Fujita probably also > Shear/Bernard as well. we have some pieces now.

 

DQJ, Gocong, and Maiava in the middle...good competition with depth. with Costanzo bringing super depth....and Marecic super ultra mega.

 

some pieces indeed.

[SiperBowl]

Fatass better lose some weight before he talks about getting to somebody...until then..."SHUT UP"

 

What is pounds per square inch when hit by a 400lb man running at 4.5 speed? I say if he lands on big Gay he will steamroll him.

[Harry Buffalo]

338, 385 >> im not concerned for now. after a year in an NFL conditioning program his weight and strength shouldnt be an issue. with Rubin and the coaches adding to his technique this kid could actually make an impact this season.

 

i like that he's calling them out so early, says a lot. he's now denounced Pittsburgh several times publicly. this should have completely squashed any perceived loyalty to Pittsburgh in CLE fans eyes. not much more the man can do. now all he's gotta do is produce.

 

 

 

 

 

do we still have Roth? i really hope so, he was probably our best pass rusher. and Fujita probably also > Shear/Bernard as well. we have some pieces now.

 

DQJ, Gocong, and Maiava in the middle...good competition with depth. with Costanzo bringing super depth....and Marecic super ultra mega.

 

some pieces indeed.

 

Roth is a FA and there is little chance that he resigns with the team because he would have to play DE and he was pissed about not getting a contract extension last year. If he is resigned he is the starting DE with Sheard.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

Smack talking rookie. You gotta love it. The cockiness.

[Riffer X]

I would say Mitchell and Benard will be in the equation starting opposite of Sheard. Roth doesn't fit with the scheme, as Heckert has said repeatedly he wants to go with more speed and athleticism at DE.

 

Drafting Taylor is more reminiscent of the lines Jauron had in Chicago with Ted Washington and Keith Traylor. Huge guys in the middle and athleticism on the ends.

[Vagitron]

I would say Mitchell and Benard will be in the equation starting opposite of Sheard. Roth doesn't fit with the scheme, as Heckert has said repeatedly he wants to go with more speed and athleticism at DE.

 

Drafting Taylor is more reminiscent of the lines Jauron had in Chicago with Ted Washington and Keith Traylor. Huge guys in the middle and athleticism on the ends.

 

 

I'm not really here to rain on the parade but what makes anyone think all these rookies are going to hit the field? I wouldn't be surprised if Holmgren chooses to "slow play' most of them much like the Steelers do. Although Lebeau's defense is notoriously difficult to grasp so rookies in our scheme usually don't start right away. We may have one or two this year tho with Heyward and possible Curtis Brown.

 

I also think it's stupid when Rookies run their mouth, they usually don't back it up right away and all he's doing is creating bulletin board material EARLY in the process.

[Harry Buffalo]

I'm not really here to rain on the parade but what makes anyone think all these rookies are going to hit the field? I wouldn't be surprised if Holmgren chooses to "slow play' most of them much like the Steelers do. Although Lebeau's defense is notoriously difficult to grasp so rookies in our scheme usually don't start right away. We may have one or two this year tho with Heyward and possible Curtis Brown.

 

I also think it's stupid when Rookies run their mouth, they usually don't back it up right away and all he's doing is creating bulletin board material EARLY in the process.

 

In the Browns case we know that these guys are going to start right away because we don't have players at those positions. We have only one 4-3 DE on the roster who has never started a game in his 5 year NFL career so Sheard is a sure thing to start, I'm 90% sure Taylor starts right out of the gate as well when the only guys at DT we have besides Rubin are DE's being moved to DT or undrafted guys be pulled off our practice squad at the end of the season.

[Vagitron]

In the Browns case we know that these guys are going to start right away because we don't have players at those positions. We have only one 4-3 DE on the roster who has never started a game in his 5 year NFL career so Sheard is a sure thing to start, I'm 90% sure Taylor starts right out of the gate as well when the only guys at DT we have besides Rubin are DE's being moved to DT or undrafted guys be pulled off our practice squad at the end of the season.

 

Don't discredit the potential for free agents if and when this lock out ever ends. I'd say one of the worst things you can do with a rookie is throw him into the starting line up when he's not ready. It has the potential to kill confidence and form bad habits.

[Zombo]

Shut up, Homotron ... he's starting.

 

Zombo

[Harry Buffalo]

In my opinion if you take a 1st round pick and he isn't starting by the end of the season you failed with that pick. You shouldn't be taking backups in the first round. Plus the FO isn't going to spend the money on someone good enough to start when they just picked Taylor. They are going to use the money on other positions of need like LB and Safety.

[Vagitron]

In my opinion if you take a 1st round pick and he isn't starting by the end of the season you failed with that pick. You shouldn't be taking backups in the first round. Plus the FO isn't going to spend the money on someone good enough to start when they just picked Taylor. They are going to use the money on other positions of need like LB and Safety.

 

I guess the Steelers do it wrong then. Timmons didn't start year one, Polamalu didn't start year one, Woodley didn't start year one. Ziggy Hood didn't start year one. Jason Worilds didn't start year one. Mind you Woodley and Worilds aren't first rounders but you get the point. No reason to rush rookies in to the starting line up unless of course talent across the board is less than stellar and they are forced in to the line up. How many rookies have made a significant impact over the last decade? I know there have been a bunch but there have also been guys not forced in to the line up as rookies. Pouncey was forced to start for us this past season and excelled thankfully.

[choco]

I guess the Steelers do it wrong then. Timmons didn't start year one, Polamalu didn't start year one, Woodley didn't start year one. Ziggy Hood didn't start year one. Jason Worilds didn't start year one. Mind you Woodley and Worilds aren't first rounders but you get the point. No reason to rush rookies in to the starting line up unless of course talent across the board is less than stellar and they are forced in to the line up. How many rookies have made a significant impact over the last decade? I know there have been a bunch but there have also been guys not forced in to the line up as rookies. Pouncey was forced to start for us this past season and excelled thankfully.

why do you even need to ask when u know the answer....

 

i wont bore u with the details....but this isn't exactly the ideal situation to be bringing along rookies slowly.

[Vagitron]

why do you even need to ask when u know the answer....

 

i wont bore u with the details....but this isn't exactly the ideal situation to be bringing along rookies slowly.

 

Umm it certainly could and can be. It's not like the talent pool fielding last season was awful and with the further maturation of McCoy and maybe a few key free agents the Browns could be fine. If you continue to rush rookies, you continue to dance with the devil. Obviously certain players can succeed but I'd say that's more of a rarity and most can and will agree. Rush a bunch of guys and send them to the sh.itter you aren't any better come next draft. The AFC North isn't exactly the best division to experiment either. Just my own personal observation/opinion. I wouldn't rush any of the rookies in to the starting line up until they are absolutely ready or the Browns are completely desperate. A lot of teams will still make a splash in free agency, plus ALL the undrafted guys.

[miktoxic]

I also think it's stupid when Rookies run their mouth

 

is mendenhall a rookie? DUMB

[Harry Buffalo]

Umm it certainly could and can be. It's not like the talent pool fielding last season was awful and with the further maturation of McCoy and maybe a few key free agents the Browns could be fine. If you continue to rush rookies, you continue to dance with the devil. Obviously certain players can succeed but I'd say that's more of a rarity and most can and will agree. Rush a bunch of guys and send them to the sh.itter you aren't any better come next draft. The AFC North isn't exactly the best division to experiment either. Just my own personal observation/opinion. I wouldn't rush any of the rookies in to the starting line up until they are absolutely ready or the Browns are completely desperate. A lot of teams will still make a splash in free agency, plus ALL the undrafted guys.

 

Why should the Browns bring spend good money on guys in FA that they only want to start for a year or two!? That doesn't make sense, the FA's that we pick up need to be for positions we still have a strong need for, getting a high priced DT isn't in the best interests of the team right now. On top of that it wasn't the fact that the Browns used their rookies too soon that they have failed over the past decade, it was the fact that the rookie they brought in were horrible.

[choco]

And taught by poor coaches

[Vagitron]

Why should the Browns bring spend good money on guys in FA that they only want to start for a year or two!? That doesn't make sense, the FA's that we pick up need to be for positions we still have a strong need for, getting a high priced DT isn't in the best interests of the team right now. On top of that it wasn't the fact that the Browns used their rookies too soon that they have failed over the past decade, it was the fact that the rookie they brought in were horrible.

 

Tim Couch was ruined because he was thrown in early in my opinion and I'd be REALLY uncomfortable going in to the season if I felt 4 rookies had a chance to start. I'm honestly not sure why any of you appear excited about it. It just means the team at those positions are really weak because MOST rookies aren't capable of starting right out of the gate, especially at certain positions. I would feel good at all about 2 rookies potentially starting on my defensive line, especially when a lot of the team is going to be completely new to the 4-3 scheme. Just saying. As I said before I didn't chime in to rain on a parade.

 

EDIT: and as far as the Coaches are concerned you have a completely unproven Head Coach. I'm guessing Holmgren takes a really expanded role but we'll see. Right now I just want the lock out to be over.

 

2nd edit: and it does make sense to bring in capable free agents to allow for a grooming process with the rookies. Rushing players to start isn't the way to go, it never has been.

[Zombo]

Tim Couch was ruined because he was thrown in early in my opinion and I'd be REALLY uncomfortable going in to the season if I felt 4 rookies had a chance to start. I'm honestly not sure why any of you appear excited about it. It just means the team at those positions are really weak because MOST rookies aren't capable of starting right out of the gate, especially at certain positions. I would feel good at all about 2 rookies potentially starting on my defensive line, especially when a lot of the team is going to be completely new to the 4-3 scheme. Just saying. As I said before I didn't chime in to rain on a parade.

 

EDIT: and as far as the Coaches are concerned you have a completely unproven Head Coach. I'm guessing Holmgren takes a really expanded role but we'll see. Right now I just want the lock out to be over.

 

2nd edit: and it does make sense to bring in capable free agents to allow for a grooming process with the rookies. Rushing players to start isn't the way to go, it never has been.

 

Shut up, Homotron. The Packers started four rookies last year, sometimes five.

 

Were their fans "REALLY Uncomfortable" that they had a rookie TE, rookie RT, two rookie LBs and a rookie Safety? Hell, they never trailed by more than a TD the entire year.

 

 

You play the best players. Phil Taylor will be starting at DT ... that's good for the Browns. DT is not QB, your Tim Couch comparison is laughable. If three other rookies are ready to lineup on oppening day, than that means they were better than the guy that used to play that spot. Just shut up ... why do you have to keep arguing when you are forced into talking out your ass? Just quietly slip away and maybe we'll forget how stupid you are until next time.

 

Zombo

[The Gipper]

I'm not really here to rain on the parade but what makes anyone think all these rookies are going to hit the field? I wouldn't be surprised if Holmgren chooses to "slow play' most of them much like the Steelers do. Although Lebeau's defense is notoriously difficult to grasp so rookies in our scheme usually don't start right away. We may have one or two this year tho with Heyward and possible Curtis Brown.

 

I also think it's stupid when Rookies run their mouth, they usually don't back it up right away and all he's doing is creating bulletin board material EARLY in the process.

 

Does "Bulletin Board Material" really help a team win? Talent and coaching help a team win.

Steelers obviously have the defensive coaching with LeBeau back. I also think you are right that Heyward will be a find for the Steelers. Too bad. I think LeBeau will coach him up to meet his potential that he may not have been able to reach had he gone elsewhere..

[The Gipper]

Don't discredit the potential for free agents if and when this lock out ever ends. I'd say one of the worst things you can do with a rookie is throw him into the starting line up when he's not ready. It has the potential to kill confidence and form bad habits.

 

I think it is less a problem with a DT than it is for say a QB.

[Vagitron]

Shut up, Homotron. The Packers started four rookies last year, sometimes five.

 

Were their fans "REALLY Uncomfortable" that they had a rookie TE, rookie RT, two rookie LBs and a rookie Safety? Hell, they never trailed by more than a TD the entire year.

 

 

You play the best players. Phil Taylor will be starting at DT ... that's good for the Browns. DT is not QB, your Tim Couch comparison is laughable. If three other rookies are ready to lineup on oppening day, than that means they were better than the guy that used to play that spot. Just shut up ... why do you have to keep arguing when you are forced into talking out your ass? Just quietly slip away and maybe we'll forget how stupid you are until next time.

 

Zombo

 

They HAD to start those rookies because a absurd amount of injuries just like the Steelers. I'd say that's a big difference. I'm also not saying the rookies aren't possibly capable but rather may be forced into the lineup because there isn't anything better. Which in my opinion isn't a positive but rather a negative. I like Phil Taylor and would have liked to have him as a Casey Hampton replacement. I just find it odd that some are excited about 4 rookies starting or possibly starting. It's not a positive. I just means you have sh.it else to start.

[Vagitron]

I think it is less a problem with a DT than it is for say a QB.

 

I totally agree and that wasn't a direct comparison. Dip sh.it zombo just took it that way. It was said that the rookies that started and failed just sucked and I argued that Couch would have been just fine had he not been rushed under center with absolutely NOTHING around him. The Browns organization ruined Tim Couch. It wasn't because lack of talent, that was my point. Phil Taylor should be fine but then people go on to mention Sheard and 2 others. Little was/is VERY raw and missed a lot of time. I just wouldn't be comfortable with 4 rookies starting. One or two fine, but 4? Most of the time that only happens in time of substantial injury. Insert GB of last year as well as the Steelers. Only we had to emergency sign Adams and put Pouncey in at center.

[Zombo]

They HAD to start those rookies because a absurd amount of injuries just like the Steelers. I'd say that's a big difference. I'm also not saying the rookies aren't possibly capable but rather may be forced into the lineup because there isn't anything better. Which in my opinion isn't a positive but rather a negative. I like Phil Taylor and would have liked to have him as a Casey Hampton replacement. I just find it odd that some are excited about 4 rookies starting or possibly starting. It's not a positive. I just means you have sh.it else to start.

 

When you can go to the draft and find four staters, that IS exciting. Everyone knows we had holes, we are excited we found a way to fill them. And we still have free agency. Yes, it's exciting for us.

 

Last year Heckert drafted three guys that started and played very well last year, and he drafted two others that may start this year. I have no doubt that at least two of this years crop will be immediate starters, and as many as four. Does that mean we are going to the Super Bowl like the Packers? No, but it means we are getting better at key positions.

 

Yes, we will have two rookies on the DL, this isn't a first, in fact it happens quite a bit. Teams have made the SB with four or five rookies on defense, The 49ers once won with three rookies in the DB.

 

We have a new HC, a new DC, a new defensive system, it is BETTER for us to start rookies drafted for this system rather than try to fit square vets in round holes.

 

Just quit being a homo ... we know we are a 5-11 team that is filling holes ... don't blame us for being excited ... Heckert has us elated so far!

 

Zombo

[The Gipper]

I totally agree and that wasn't a direct comparison. Dip sh.it zombo just took it that way. It was said that the rookies that started and failed just sucked and I argued that Couch would have been just fine had he not been rushed under center with absolutely NOTHING around him. The Browns organization ruined Tim Couch. It wasn't because lack of talent, that was my point. Phil Taylor should be fine but then people go on to mention Sheard and 2 others. Little was/is VERY raw and missed a lot of time. I just wouldn't be comfortable with 4 rookies starting. One or two fine, but 4? Most of the time that only happens in time of substantial injury. Insert GB of last year as well as the Steelers. Only we had to emergency sign Adams and put Pouncey in at center.

 

Well, you know, the Browns have the same kind of emergency, unfortunately. The don't have people to play those positions. Especially the D-Line. Maybe at WR they can give Little some time to develop by putting Robo and MoMass in there, but at DLine with the release of Shaun Rogers they really don't have the bodies to fill in. Shear and Taylor will have to come in and contribute right away. Oh, I suppose they could put Schaefering in.....or some street FA that is basically a roster filler, but unless they go out and really get something of quality in whatever FA field will be out there, these two rooks may be the best the Browns have.