The Gipper Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 From the Browns official website, these are the names of the people that play DL for the Browns that show up on their roster: Titus Adams Travis Ivy Jayme Mitchell Scott Paxson Ko Quaye Derreck Robinson Ahtyba Rubin Brian Sanford Brian Schaefering Robaire Smith Other than Smith, Schaefering and Rubin I do not recall ever hearing any of these other names called making a tackle when the Browns played this year. Do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffer X Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 From the Browns official website, these are the names of the people that play DL for the Browns that show up on their roster: Titus Adams Travis Ivy Jayme Mitchell Scott Paxson Ko Quaye Derreck Robinson Ahtyba Rubin Brian Sanford Brian Schaefering Robaire Smith Other than Smith, Schaefering and Rubin I do not recall ever hearing any of these other names called making a tackle when the Browns played this year. Do you? Robinson saw some time and showed some promise, especially in preseason. He should be able to convert to a 4-3 LDE occasionally and also see action at the 3 technique. Mitchell is not signed yet, but by all accounts Heckert likes him and thinks he could be a nice edge rusher, basically insinuating EM didn't use him like he should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 I was alluding to what Hopper is saying. In an ideal world, homo is right. Bringing along the rookies at their own pace is perhaps the best for development. But to do that in the case of the browns is to admit that we are giving up before the year begins to get luck next year. U need organizational stability to bring on the rookies sllowly....and that's something the steelers have and browns don't. So while the idea is good, its not practical when switching systems under a new coach. That's just the reality. We need players, as we barely have enough to complete a roster. Age caught up to us as well so we have to get young fast. Trial by fire.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 I was alluding to what Hopper is saying. In an ideal world, homo is right. Bringing along the rookies at their own pace is perhaps the best for development. But to do that in the case of the browns is to admit that we are giving up before the year begins to get luck next year. U need organizational stability to bring on the rookies sllowly....and that's something the steelers have and browns don't. So while the idea is good, its not practical when switching systems under a new coach. That's just the reality. We need players, as we barely have enough to complete a roster. Age caught up to us as well so we have to get young fast. Trial by fire.... It is also true when so many of a team's former draft picks didn't pan out. As I see it, right now, the only starters on this team that have been Browns draftees are: Lawrence Vickers drafted in 2006....if he stays with the team and starts Joe Thomas drafted in 2007 Eric Wright drafted in 2007....if you consider him starter. Right now more the nickelback Ahtyba Rubin drafted in 2008 Alex Mack, Robo, MoMass, drafted in 2009 McCoy, Haden, Ward drafted in 2010 Look at the dearth of 4-5-6 year drafted veterans that most decent teams should have. If Vickers is gone and Wright is a backup that would leave us with 1 player of that nature: JT. I would suspect that a team like the Steelers or Ravens would probably have 10-12 of their 4-5-6 year veteran draftees playing for them, wouldn't they? Maybe Robotron can tell us. I just know that the Browns DON'T have those players as they should, and so, yes, there may indeed be an unfortunate reliance on the rookies that are going to be brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 You forgot about Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 You forgot about Jackson. D'Qwell Jackson? He hasn't started in two years with injuries and I am not sure he will be a starter this coming season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 yea but he is the player who has played for the Browns the longest, being drafted in 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Occupying a roster spot isn't much use in this discussion....been here 5 years, played (poorly) for only 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Occupying a roster spot isn't much use in this discussion....been here 5 years, played (poorly) for only 3. He has actually played well the years he wasn't on IR. I don't know how you can consider the season he had 150 tackles a poor performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 So he had alot of tackles....80% of which were 5+ yards downfield, no TFL. I'm sick of watching him get run over again and again....posterized. has poor anticipation, slow reads, and can't get off blocks. Other than that, he's fine. Anything besides number of tackles that makes u think he's worth a roster spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 And if I recall.....our offense sucked which meant the D spent alot of time on the field. So the data may be skewed due to the number of playshe was on the field. He may have been the best of a terrible defensive unit....that does not mean he's good by any stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 And if I recall.....our offense sucked which meant the D spent alot of time on the field. So the data may be skewed due to the number of playshe was on the field. He may have been the best of a terrible defensive unit....that does not mean he's good by any stretch. But we are not going to know until he gets back on the field this season. I personally don't think a poor player who just happen to be the best person on defense is going to put up numbers like he did just because. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 yea but he is the player who has played for the Browns the longest, being drafted in 2006. Actually, long snapper Ryan Pontbriand has been here longer. He was drafted in like '04 or '03. And of course don't forget Phil Dawson who has been here since 1999, though he wasn't drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 But we are not going to know until he gets back on the field this season. I personally don't think a poor player who just happen to be the best person on defense is going to put up numbers like he did just because. Jackson, when he was playing and when he was healthy, was at best an average LB. I do not list him as a starter because he hasn't played in 2 years. Let's put it this way: with the Browns going to the 4-3, Dairy Queen isn't going to make the list of 4-3 MLB greats alongside the likes of Dick Butkus, Ray Nitscke, Jack Lambert, Ray Lewis,Joe Schmidt, Sam Huff, Mike Singletary, Chuck Bednarik, Willie Lanier or even current guys like Patrick Willis and Brian Urlacher. He will be lucky if he is mentioned with Tom Cousineau. In next year's draft there may be a few MLB prospects worth looking at: Vontaze Burfict of Arizona State Luke Kuechly of Boston College Manti Te'o of Notre Dame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwmann2 Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 I disliked Roethlisberger before he started sexually harassing women. Wait a minute, how long ago was that? lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDHQ Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 Taylor has to be on the field on 3rd down for this to happen. He has the size, I really hope that he works on conditioning he could be the next beast NT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 Taylor has to be on the field on 3rd down for this to happen. He has the size, I really hope that he works on conditioning he could be the next beast NT. For the 10th time Taylor played 80 snaps a game last season, there isn't any reason he can't do it for the Browns next season. Heavy weight does not mean lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentLife Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 For the 10th time Taylor played 80 snaps a game last season, there isn't any reason he can't do it for the Browns next season. Heavy weight does not mean lazy. tell that to casey hampton and haynesworth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 Attitude/work ethic/honor/love for the game, or lack thereof, does not equal "real big". get real. Taylor is young, and a very big kid, and he's a player who loves the game. You watch him on film and he's scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 tell that to casey hampton and haynesworth Last I checked those were big guys who had been documented for being lazy by how the acted on the field and in practice and Taylor is just a 334 pound DL. The only comparison I am seeing between all these players is size, so your argument would be that anyone above a certain weight in football is lazy even though there are several 330 plus DL players in the NFL who have great work ethics and stamina. Don't count this kid as lazy just because of his size while there is documented proof that he works hard and played more snaps than most of the DL players that cam out in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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