1 more season Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Anyone hear about this new QB ranking system? Evidently there will be a new system that will have a maximum number of points or a complete game for a QB. Seems like more BS considering the only thing that really matters is W-L's. Thanks a lot nerds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Anyone hear about this new QB ranking system? Evidently there will be a new system that will have a maximum number of points or a complete game for a QB. Seems like more BS considering the only thing that really matters is W-L's. Thanks a lot nerds! The QB rating system is about the most flawed statistic in sport. So a revision of that would be good. But, I am not sure that W-L is all that matters. It matters somewhat, but strictly W-L would not take into account that a team may in fact win most of its games on defense. Take teams like the 2000 Ravens, 2002 Bucs, 2005 Steelers. All teams that won in spite of being led by seemingly mediocre QBs. (would you with a straight face rate Brad Johnson over a Dan Marino). Nevertheless W-L does have to have some different weight. Example, right now all of the following QBs have higher passer ratings than Bart Starr, who is one of the biggest winners in history: Damon Huard Jason Campbell Matt Cassell Jay Cutler Shaun Hill David Garrard Trent Green Jeff Garcia Dante Culpepper Chad Pennington Matt Schaub Tony Romo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 The QB rating system is about the most flawed statistic in sport. So a revision of that would be good. But, I am not sure that W-L is all that matters. It matters somewhat, but strictly W-L would not take into account that a team may in fact win most of its games on defense. Take teams like the 2000 Ravens, 2002 Bucs, 2005 Steelers. All teams that won in spite of being led by seemingly mediocre QBs. (would you with a straight face rate Brad Johnson over a Dan Marino). Nevertheless W-L does have to have some different weight. Example, right now all of the following QBs have higher passer ratings than Bart Starr, who is one of the biggest winners in history: Damon Huard Jason Campbell Matt Cassell Jay Cutler Shaun Hill David Garrard Trent Green Jeff Garcia Dante Culpepper Chad Pennington Matt Schaub Tony Romo I caught a little bit of that on ESPN, and it sounds interesting- in that it takes in EVERYTHING a qb does. You get penalized for sacks & fumbles (it hurts Ben's rating)and gives you bonus points for rushing yards. So no surprise in the last three years using that rating system the highest rated game belonged to Michael Vick where he tossed six TD, no sacks and ran for a zillion yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 I caught a little bit of that on ESPN, and it sounds interesting- in that it takes in EVERYTHING a qb does. You get penalized for sacks & fumbles (it hurts Ben's rating)and gives you bonus points for rushing yards. So no surprise in the last three years using that rating system the highest rated game belonged to Michael Vick where he tossed six TD, no sacks and ran for a zillion yards. Let me clarify: My criticism above was for the "Passer rating" system, not this new Total QBR system. I don't know enough about it to criticize, or praise it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Anyone hear about this new QB ranking system? Evidently there will be a new system that will have a maximum number of points or a complete game for a QB. Seems like more BS considering the only thing that really matters is W-L's. Thanks a lot nerds! The stats in the new system pertain to what the QB does to put them in a winning situation. More points for 4th quarter completions, etc. Trust me this is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 more season Posted August 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 I agree. I don't know much about it either. Not even sure why I started the thread. Must have been board last week. Although I really don't like fantasy football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 I agree. I don't know much about it either. Not even sure why I started the thread. Must have been board last week. Although I really don't like fantasy football. I don't give a rat's ass about fantasy football either. I would like to know where you can find the rankings for this new stat. Does anyone have a link? Or is this one of those thing invented by ESPN so that they can try to make you pay for the right to see their creation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 I don't give a rat's ass about fantasy football either. I would like to know where you can find the rankings for this new stat. Does anyone have a link? Or is this one of those thing invented by ESPN so that they can try to make you pay for the right to see their creation? Regarding Fantasy Football, it has no attraction for me either. I spend way too much time already moderating here and keeping up on what's going on in real football. BTW, RE: TQBR it sounds like an ESPN creation- but likely there was input from Gruden and Jaworski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Here is what I found for 2010 (the first number before the rating number is the number of "action plays" the QB performed: 1 2010 Tom Brady NE 607 76.0 2 2010 Peyton Manning IND 779 69.5 3 2010 Matt Ryan ATL 709 68.6 4 2010 Aaron Rodgers GB 627 67.9 5 2010 Michael Vick PHI 547 66.6 6 2010 Drew Brees NO 760 65.9 7 2010 Eli Manning NYG 654 64.3 8 2010 Josh Freeman TB 626 63.5 9 2010 Philip Rivers SD 667 63.2 10 2010 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 500 59.8 11 2010 Tony Romo DAL 251 58.1 12 2010 Joe Flacco BAL 647 58.1 13 2010 Matt Schaub HOU 678 57.8 14 2010 David Garrard JAC 510 57.3 15 2010 Kerry Collins TEN 342 56.0 16 2010 Matt Cassel KC 566 51.2 17 2010 Ryan Fitzpatrick BUF 551 48.7 18 2010 Mark Sanchez NYJ 619 47.4 19 2010 Carson Palmer CIN 720 46.7 20 2010 Colt McCoy CLE 290 46.6 21 2010 Kyle Orton DEN 612 46.6 22 2010 Jon Kitna DAL 409 46.1 23 2010 Shaun Hill DET 499 44.8 24 2010 Jason Campbell OAK 479 43.8 25 2010 Jay Cutler CHI 596 42.6 26 2010 Matt Hasselbeck SEA 547 42.4 27 2010 Chad Henne MIA 604 41.4 28 2010 Donovan McNabb WAS 596 41.0 29 2010 Sam Bradford STL 732 41.0 30 2010 Alex Smith SF 426 40.0 31 2010 Derek Anderson ARI 387 35.9 32 2010 Brett Favre MIN 459 25.8 33 2010 Jimmy Clausen CAR 397 11.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 And here is what I found for the best seasons from 2008-2010. They may not have gone back any further than this, nor did I find any overall career stats, though I am not sure why they haven't. Perhaps it is labor intensive to apply this formula to games. They may not just be able to plug a QBs records into a program to come up with this number: 1 2009 Peyton Manning IND 660 82.3 2 2008 Peyton Manning IND 649 79.7 3 2009 Drew Brees NO 613 77.2 4 2010 Tom Brady NE 607 76.0 5 2008 Matt Ryan ATL 570 72.6 6 2008 Chad Pennington MIA 577 72.3 7 2009 Philip Rivers SD 602 71.8 8 2008 Jay Cutler DEN 741 71.3 9 2009 Matt Schaub HOU 694 71.0 10 2009 Aaron Rodgers GB 717 69.7 11 2010 Peyton Manning IND 779 69.5 12 2009 Vince Young TEN 347 69.2 13 2008 Matt Schaub HOU 474 69.2 14 2008 Philip Rivers SD 590 69.1 15 2010 Matt Ryan ATL 709 68.6 16 2010 Aaron Rodgers GB 627 67.9 17 2009 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 652 67.3 18 2010 Michael Vick PHI 547 66.6 19 2008 Kurt Warner ARI 702 66.5 20 2010 Drew Brees NO 760 65.9 21 2009 Eli Manning NYG 613 65.9 22 2008 Aaron Rodgers GB 691 64.5 23 2009 Kurt Warner ARI 619 64.5 24 2009 Tony Romo DAL 696 64.4 25 2010 Eli Manning NYG 654 64.3 26 2008 Jake Delhomme CAR 513 64.0 27 2010 Josh Freeman TB 626 63.5 28 2010 Philip Rivers SD 667 63.2 29 2009 Tom Brady NE 677 63.2 30 2008 Drew Brees NO 729 63.1 31 2009 Brett Favre MIN 643 63.1 32 2008 Eli Manning NYG 596 61.3 33 2008 Matt Cassel NE 673 61.0 34 2008 Jeff Garcia TB 462 60.7 35 2010 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 500 59.8 36 2010 Tony Romo DAL 251 58.1 37 2010 Joe Flacco BAL 647 58.1 38 2010 Matt Schaub HOU 678 57.8 39 2009 Matt Ryan ATL 556 57.7 40 2009 Donovan McNabb PHI 569 57.3 41 2010 David Garrard JAC 510 57.3 42 2008 Shaun Hill SF 366 57.0 43 2008 Kerry Collins TEN 492 56.9 44 2010 Kerry Collins TEN 342 56.0 45 2008 Jason Campbell WAS 654 54.8 46 2008 Seneca Wallace SEA 299 53.5 47 2009 Carson Palmer CIN 615 53.2 48 2009 Kyle Orton DEN 650 52.9 49 2009 Joe Flacco BAL 632 52.6 50 2008 Donovan McNabb PHI 671 51.9 51 2010 Matt Cassel KC 566 51.2 52 2009 Chad Henne MIA 538 51.1 53 2008 Dan Orlovsky DET 301 51.1 54 2009 Jay Cutler CHI 693 51.0 55 2008 Tyler Thigpen KC 546 50.8 56 2008 David Garrard JAC 711 50.8 57 2009 David Garrard JAC 683 50.4 58 2008 Tony Romo DAL 551 50.1 59 2008 Trent Edwards BUF 480 49.7 60 2009 Jason Campbell WAS 647 49.4 61 2010 Ryan Fitzpatrick BUF 551 48.7 62 2010 Mark Sanchez NYJ 619 47.4 63 2010 Carson Palmer CIN 720 46.7 64 2010 Colt McCoy CLE 290 46.6 65 2010 Kyle Orton DEN 612 46.6 66 2008 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 608 46.4 67 2010 Jon Kitna DAL 409 46.1 68 2008 Kyle Orton CHI 560 45.7 69 2010 Shaun Hill DET 499 44.8 70 2010 Jason Campbell OAK 479 43.8 71 2010 Jay Cutler CHI 596 42.6 72 2010 Matt Hasselbeck SEA 547 42.4 73 2009 Alex Smith SF 463 42.2 74 2008 Gus Frerotte MIN 394 42.1 75 2008 Brett Favre NYJ 639 41.7 76 2008 Joe Flacco BAL 586 41.6 77 2010 Chad Henne MIA 604 41.4 78 2010 Donovan McNabb WAS 596 41.0 79 2010 Sam Bradford STL 732 41.0 80 2010 Alex Smith SF 426 40.0 81 2008 Ryan Fitzpatrick CIN 507 38.7 82 2010 Derek Anderson ARI 387 35.9 83 2008 JaMarcus Russell OAK 472 34.5 84 2009 Brady Quinn CLE 321 33.2 85 2008 Marc Bulger STL 556 33.0 86 2009 Matthew Stafford DET 460 32.9 87 2009 Marc Bulger STL 309 31.9 88 2009 Kerry Collins TEN 256 31.5 89 2009 Mark Sanchez NYJ 473 30.9 90 2008 Matt Hasselbeck SEA 259 30.9 91 2009 Jake Delhomme CAR 396 30.5 92 2009 Matt Cassel KC 658 30.2 93 2009 Ryan Fitzpatrick BUF 310 29.9 94 2008 Derek Anderson CLE 366 29.6 95 2009 Matt Hasselbeck SEA 592 26.7 96 2010 Brett Favre MIN 459 25.8 97 2009 Josh Freeman TB 373 25.8 98 2009 Trent Edwards BUF 256 25.7 99 2008 J.T. O'Sullivan SF 329 20.3 100 2010 Jimmy Clausen CAR 397 11.7 101 2009 JaMarcus Russell OAK 341 10.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Guide to these ratings: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6833215/explaining-statistics-total-quarterback-rating Just based on what I have read, it sounds like a superior statistical methodology to the "passer rating" stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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