MLD Woody Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 He's performing for his cadre of course. Hecks idea of winning an arguement is just to beat you over the head with the same line over and over and over, varying the wording slightly from instance to instance until you just shrug your shoulders and move on to the next thread. Then woody can tell him how awesome he is and that he wins teh internetz. yep... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Well woody, I guess I don't really consider myself a conservative. I suppose some of the things I think are far right but some of course are far left. But, for example, I don't claim that everything rachel maddow says is a lie just because she is a socialist. nor glenn beck, ed schultz, sean hannity, keith olbermann or michael savage. If those numbers our lies I'll be happy to see the proof. Isn't that what you'd expect from cal bunker or t? WSS Point taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Point taken. Also wody let me ask you this. I'd say statistically young black men get harsher treatment from law enforcement the middle class whites. Also they are over represented within the penal system. I think those statistics are probably true. Would those numbers be false because they were printed on, say, the panthers site? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted April 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Steve, this is just depressing. Look, I don't even know what the stats were. I didn't make it that far. I can't believe you're still arguing that we should debate them. Even if they're legit stats, the White Nationalist movement didn't come up with them. They'd be sourced from a real organization. Do you really imagine a white power organization is sending out teams to collect and analyze crime statistics? We don't need to debate what is presented in a white power video. Just get the stats you're looking for from a real organization. In other words, I think we can cut out the white power middle man here. And that's assuming these stats are even good, which is unlikely. Because they came from the white power movement. Your new game seems to be to not be able to find any actual stats to back up what you say, so then you tell other people to find them for you. And if they don't, and would like to see if you can find something - anything - worth a damn, you announce that you've won something. Or you insist that we address the stats you've found, even if they came from a white power video. This is incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted April 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 He's performing for his cadre of course. Hecks idea of winning an arguement is just to beat you over the head with the same line over and over and over, varying the wording slightly from instance to instance until you just shrug your shoulders and move on to the next thread. Then woody can tell him how awesome he is and that he wins teh internetz. This sounds remarkably like sour grapes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 No I have no idea what group put this on youtube. I have no idea who produced it. Since you seem to be confused about which stats, shall we say it's the ones recited in this monologue. Heck, you say you couldn't get very far into it. I suppose it's possible that this is from some nefarious skinhead group. If that's true I'm sure you can provide us with more information and that would be more helpful to the discussion than simple railing. I mean seriously, you were quick to post the hate crime stats right? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 And I will give you an easy one. I believe it's true that DC has an extremely high per capita income rate. That could be misleading since the politicians etcetra that live there are much much richer than your average citizen. But their presents raises the per capita curve. Still it's true. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 If those numbers our lies I'll be happy to see the proof. Isn't that what you'd expect from cal bunker or t? WSS Steve, I'd be happy to put these stats together, I actually was glancing at the statistics from the DoJ earlier today. Unfortunately, to make the comparisons, it's going to take a little time. Next week's finals week, so it won't happen til after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted April 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 No, you can find them. I don't get my info from YouTube videos and you shouldn't either. Let's see how you do. And then you can address the whole white power thing. And I posted more than the hate crime stats. I posted the ones you were supposedly looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Steve, I'd be happy to put these stats together, I actually was glancing at the statistics from the DoJ earlier today. Unfortunately, to make the comparisons, it's going to take a little time. Next week's finals week, so it won't happen til after. amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 This sounds remarkably like sour grapes. Call it what you want. How many times have you mentioned steves white power video snafu in this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted April 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 The question is how long can he go not only failing to disavow it, but asking us to discuss what white nationalists think about race issues? It presents us with a bit of a moment. Maybe not for you, but Steve and I go back, and this is really sort of important. Feel free to ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Okay I have read all through this thread and have not seen one bit of evidence for any claims about whitey propaganda as most of you liberals have claimed. Where are the stats? Where is the evidence? And NO I didn't watch woodys silly video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 The question is how long can he go not only failing to disavow it, but asking us to discuss what white nationalists think about race issues? It presents us with a bit of a moment. Maybe not for you, but Steve and I go back, and this is really sort of important. Feel free to ignore it. I don't care, you're airing it publicly, so its fair game. Do it in private messages if you feel I shouldn't comment on it. Do you really think wss is a racist? Because you keep accusing him of it over and over again. Tiresome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 I don't care, you're airing it publicly, so its fair game. Do it in private messages if you feel I shouldn't comment on it. Do you really think wss is a racist? Because you keep accusing him of it over and over again. Tiresome. I noticed he didn't berate woody or v t. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Okay I have read all through this thread and have not seen one bit of evidence for any claims about whitey propaganda as most of you liberals have claimed. Where are the stats? Where is the evidence? And NO I didn't watch woodys silly video. I posted a video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 The left is down to one strategy ,calling everybody racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted April 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 I'd use the word prejudiced. He's clearly prejudiced against black people. He just thinks it's a high-minded form of prejudice. And he's certainly not bothered by prejudice toward blacks, or racism. I can't recall a single thing he's written in seven years that would make me think otherwise. So, yes. That's what I think. And Steve knows it. I also don't think his type is rare. It gets a lot worse than Steve. But this is about more than that. This has given a window into how he argues and backs up what he says, and his ability to access information. And it's not been pretty. When asked to find actual statistics that would be useful in a real, adult debate, held on a level somewhere above the Cals and Bunkers of this world, he's not been able to produce any. In this thread, he keeps producing YouTube videos. So, I'm just wondering how much time I've wasted arguing with a guy who doesn't know the difference between statistics and evidence and white power videos. I suspect if you posted a white power video you'd freak and apologize for the mistake, not start making illogical dog and cat analogies that purport to explain why we should take the information contained in a white power video seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 He's a theater kid, I don't expect him to know how to read data. Speaking of data, I wonder what the correlations are between certain occupations and political party, or IQ and politcal party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted April 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Remember this Steve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownIndian Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 So we have shifted from discussing the law to discussing members on the board? :-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Remember this Steve? I do indeed. I believe that the studies show that the very top of the educational scale, not necessarily most intelligent, voted democrat. So did very least successful and least educated among the population. for you statistical wizards, there are many more in the bottom category then the top. One of Hechs liberal friends suggested that the reason the large cities tend to vote democratic is due to a high concentration of extremely intelligent and successful residents. Anybody here think that's the reason? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted April 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Steve, throw me a bone here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 I do indeed. I believe that the studies show that the very top of the educational scale, not necessarily most intelligent, voted democrat. So did very least successful and least educated among the population. for you statistical wizards, there are many more in the bottom category then the top. WSS lol so to Steve "statistical wizards" are people that know one number is bigger than another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Truth is, that Heck is just angry at Steve for frustrating him. Heck hates it when he can't eventually manipulate someone's opinions. hate is the word. That's Heck in a nutshell. It's all about manipulation. Via their own emotions. He tries to sway people with them, because that's mostly all libs have to go on. Emotion. Which lends itself to grotesque contradictions by libs, who will refuse to admit them right after they happen. Instead, they just start with the personal attacks as a cya diversion. sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 I hate it when people try to manipulate me with facts... Its like, hey buddy, I know what I BELIEVE and nothing you can tell me will change that. Jesus died for me so I can belive whatever I want. I would don't believe the same thing so you're not a patriot. They try to come back at me with facts but I won't have any of that nonsense. If it were true it would be in the Bible am i right folks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 No. Your lib emoting ruined your feeble attempt. It's okay. You libs CAN'T stop yourselves. You might as well admit it, you're addicted to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 No. Your lib emoting ruined your feeble attempt. It's okay. You libs CAN'T stop yourselves. You might as well admit it, you're addicted to it. I'd have to be a liberal first, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 lol so to Steve "statistical wizards" are people that know one number is bigger than another So you agree that cities like chicago, detroit, cleveland, pittsburgh tend to vote highly democrat because so many of the citizens are highly educated and successful? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Steve, throw me a bone here. What do you mean Heck? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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