jrb12711 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 The way I see it personally, there's four guys in the top ten that are going to be great players in the NFL and could be instant impact guys: Claiborne, Floyd, Richardson and Blackmon. I would have to warm up to Claiborne that's for sure, but it could still be a great pick. With that being said, it couldn't be more obvious that the Dolphins want Tannehill. The stars align there and they're going to be itching to make sure they get him. SO, keep it simple: trade down to 8 with Miami for their 2nd and 4th round picks this year (realistic). That gives us now in the top 2 rounds: 8th, 22nd, 37th and 42nd. To me this is a two fold win. I could easily see TR falling to us at 8 which would be a no brainer, but there's still a guarantee we get one of those guys above. This would also gives us more ammunition to possibly move up into the last first should there be a guy we want. What do you guys think? Are you as sold on Floyd as I am/do you think H&H are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClevelandFanForLife Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 I don't TR makes it past the Bucs at 5. I would love Floyd at 8 personally. He's big, fast, strong and has great hands. Also, HE BLOCKS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownIndian Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Who is going to trade up for Tannehill? Who? Tannehill is a reach @ #8 and we want the Dolphins to move to #4? I dont expect their GM to be stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClevelandFanForLife Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Who is going to trade up for Tannehill? Who? Tannehill is a reach @ #8 and we want the Dolphins to move to #4? I dont expect their GM to be stupid. Who said the Dolphins want Tannehill? It's all speculation. Maybe they want Blackmon or Kalil of he's there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Dick Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Floyd could easily be the best WR in this draft. A guy who gives it all, blocks, makes amazing catches, has great speed, etc. Michael Floyd will be a successful NFL wideout for years to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 I'm with you on Floyd... although I'm already fine with Claiborne... And I'm with you on the Dolphins wanting Tannehill, but... ...your scenario is unrealistic. How do I know this? Because I assumed the same mistaken trade to start my original mock without fully thinking through Miami's rationale for trading up with us. Just ask yourself: Who is currently above them at #8 that is going to take Tannehill? (Answer: No one...) If no one above them will pick Tannehill, why would they trade up to our #4 to take him? (Answer: They wouldn't...) Additionally trading up to our #4 "to be sure" they get Tannehill before Thursday evening makes no sense as it leaves time and the #3 ahead of them. On the other hand, if another team trades up to between 5 and 7 that Miami believes wants Tannehill, that's a different story. But what teams both: are in the position in the draft to put together a trade package, and have a QB need so glaring that they are willing to bet their franchise to move ahead of Miami to draft a 17 game starter at the College level? I really don't see another, but unless someone is talking to the Vikes, we won't know who is interested until Round 1 is underway and all the picks above the one traded for are used. And by then it'll too late for Miami and us... C'mon 26 April... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnuh Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 The way I see it personally, there's four guys in the top ten that are going to be great players in the NFL and could be instant impact guys: Claiborne, Floyd, Richardson and Blackmon. I would have to warm up to Claiborne that's for sure, but it could still be a great pick. With that being said, it couldn't be more obvious that the Dolphins want Tannehill. The stars align there and they're going to be itching to make sure they get him. SO, keep it simple: trade down to 8 with Miami for their 2nd and 4th round picks this year (realistic). That gives us now in the top 2 rounds: 8th, 22nd, 37th and 42nd. To me this is a two fold win. I could easily see TR falling to us at 8 which would be a no brainer, but there's still a guarantee we get one of those guys above. This would also gives us more ammunition to possibly move up into the last first should there be a guy we want. What do you guys think? Are you as sold on Floyd as I am/do you think H&H are? I do not agree that Blackmon and Floyd are "can't" miss type prospects and will immediately make an impact. In fact I would be very suprised if one of those guys didn't "bust" I think the 4 "can't miss" type prospects in this draft would Claiborne, Luck, Kahill, and TRich. If we move to 8 the only way we have a shot at any of those 4 is if Tampa passes on TRich. In that scenario though I have a feeling the Jets try to move up ahead of us to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 If we want Richardson, we HAVE to take him at 4. I wouldn't trust the Bucs to pass on him. I wouldn't trust any team to pass on him. We are very lucky that the Colts and Redskins are going QB and the Vikings already have Peterson, very lucky indeed. I think that Trent is the Best player in this draft and we're getting him at 4. I'm still nervous that a team tries to jump to three to get ahead of us to snag him up, that is a very real nightmare... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baybrownsfan Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 No one is jumping to three to take Richardson you clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambridgeho Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 No one is jumping to three to take Richardson you clown. Its very possible, the new draft slot pay is way less than years past. Still dont sleep on the Pats to have a huge trade up into the top 5 to get TR or Claiborne. They have plenty of ammo to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Found this gem a little bit ago for those of you that have some sense to interpret.(Bay need not apply, your obviously "touched") These are the top 15 players that scored touchdowns last season: LeSean McCoy RB 20 tds 17 run 3 catch Rob Gronkowski TE 18 tds 1 run 17 catch Calvin Johnson wr 16 tds all catch Jordy Nelson wr 15 TDS Ray Rice RB 15 tds 12 run 3 catch Cam Newton QB 14 tds all run LMAO Marshawn Lynch RB 13 tds 12 run 1 catch Adrian Peterson RB 13 tds 12 run 1 catch Arian Foster RB 12 tds 10 run 2 catch Ahmad Bradshaw RB 11 tds 8 run 2 catch Jimmy Graham TE 11 tds all catch BenJarvus Green-Ellis RB 11 tds Maurice Jones-Drew RB 11 tds 8 run 3 catch Laurent Robinson WR 11 tds Michael Turner RB 11 tds Let's see, we have 9 rbs in the top 15 player TDs, only 3 wide reciever in top 15, 2 TE in top 15 and one QB in top 15... No, runningbacks aren't important at all bay. It appears that you're the fucking clown, you eunuch. Richardson is Elite and will score above 2/3 of these guys putting him at top 5 in scoring next season, but you're right nobody needs a weapon like that Oh and BTW- Who was it that drafted the player in the number 1 spot again, who drafted LeSean McCoy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambridgeho Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Found this gem a little bit ago for those of you that have some sense to interpret.(Bay need not apply, your obviously "touched") These are the top 15 players that scored touchdowns last season: LeSean McCoy RB 20 tds 17 run 3 catch Rob Gronkowski TE 18 tds 1 run 17 catch Calvin Johnson wr 16 tds all catch Jordy Nelson wr 15 TDS Ray Rice RB 15 tds 12 run 3 catch Cam Newton QB 14 tds all run LMAO Marshawn Lynch RB 13 tds 12 run 1 catch Adrian Peterson RB 13 tds 12 run 1 catch Arian Foster RB 12 tds 10 run 2 catch Ahmad Bradshaw RB 11 tds 8 run 2 catch Jimmy Graham TE 11 tds all catch BenJarvus Green-Ellis RB 11 tds Maurice Jones-Drew RB 11 tds 8 run 3 catch Laurent Robinson WR 11 tds Michael Turner RB 11 tds Let's see, we have 9 rbs in the top 15 player TDs, only 3 wide reciever in top 15, 2 TE in top 15 and one QB in top 15... No, runningbacks aren't important at all bay. It appears that you're the fucking clown, you eunuch. Richardson is Elite and will score above 2/3 of these guys putting him at top 5 in scoring next season, but you're right nobody needs a weapon like that Oh and BTW- Who was it that drafted the player in the number 1 spot again, who drafted LeSean McCoy? Not a bad argument but most will say how many of those were 1st round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 I understand where you're coming from but you've got to look at the individual player IMO. Where you are picked at doesn't really matter. If the Browns were to take Burfict at #4 overall does that make him any different of a player? Same thing with Tom Brady, LeSean McCoy and Tim Tebow. You have to trust what you see, what do your eyes tell you. A guy might go in round two because of team needs, or was overlooked. Tom Heckert said he's been lucky before, it's about a lot of luck most of the time. Who would argue that Jabaal Sheard should not have been a first round pick after last season. He's a beast, but he went in round 2. We were lucky that some teams missed on him... I think the point is that it's all a gamble, BUT if you have a SURE thing, someone who you know will be great for a long time, you've got to pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambridgeho Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 I understand where you're coming from but you've got to look at the individual player IMO. Where you are picked at doesn't really matter. If the Browns were to take Burfict at #4 overall does that make him any different of a player? Same thing with Tom Brady, LeSean McCoy and Tim Tebow. You have to trust what you see, what do your eyes tell you. A guy might go in round two because of team needs, or was overlooked. Tom Heckert said he's been lucky before, it's about a lot of luck most of the time. Who would argue that Jabaal Sheard should not have been a first round pick after last season. He's a beast, but he went in round 2. We were lucky that some teams missed on him... I think the point is that it's all a gamble, BUT if you have a SURE thing, someone who you know will be great for a long time, you've got to pull the trigger. I want to get TR just as bad as you do. I was just saying most people will argue that those rbs were drafted way later in the draft, Foster wasnt even drafted. There is a potential bust for any player in this draft, so get who we need and get to playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted April 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Who is going to trade up for Tannehill? Who? Tannehill is a reach @ #8 and we want the Dolphins to move to #4? I dont expect their GM to be stupid. It's hard to say, but I've been reading stuff that Tannehill is the guy they REALLY want and see as their franchise guy. Sitting there with teams in a good position to trade back (Vikings, Browns, even TB IMO) for a team that might want Tannehill in the 4-7 range may easily be something they don't care to do. In the scenario I posted outside of a higher second round pick they aren't giving up much. Like i said, if Tannehill is the guy they want they would and should do something to get him for 100% As for TR not going past the bucs, it is possible that's for sure. But Claiborne is going to be really hard for them to pass up as well. He's touted as a better overall player that Peterson last year who went in the same spot, and with Blount already on the roster it's not as though they are hurting at the position. If TR slips past TB it's very unlikely that the Rams/Jags take him, so unless a team trades up before us he's there at 8. In fact, I feel pretty confident that would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 Found this gem a little bit ago for those of you that have some sense to interpret. et's see, we have 9 rbs in the top 15 player TDs, only 3 wide reciever in top 15, 2 TE in top 15 and one QB in top 15... No, runningbacks aren't important at all bay. It appears that you're the fucking clown, you eunuch. Richardson is Elite and will score above 2/3 of these guys putting him at top 5 in scoring next season, but you're right nobody needs a weapon like that Oh and BTW- Who was it that drafted the player in the number 1 spot again, who drafted LeSean McCoy? Interpret??? I think you meant interpolate... But regardless, if we're going to spend a #4 on a RB, then we'd better have to fuckin' extrapolate... Give your brain a rest, Po, all your list does is confirm the fact that RB TD production is not related to draft position. The previous stud back, AP, is tied for #7. Hurt you say? Fair enough... I'll look at all his years in the league... And I'll throw in an analysis of number of RB's in the top twenty-some including ties... Year A.P. RB/Tot 2011 T-07 16/27 ---- Looks like someone was cherry pickin' when they chose their data cut-off ---- 2010 T-03 09/22 2009 # 01 12/23 2008 T-16 17/24 2007 # 06 09/23 ------------------ AVG. #6.6 12.6/23.8 -- So on average AP is around 7th in TD's scored and RB's number just over 50% of the top TD scorer I don't have time to look up every RB on your list and show how low they were taken in the draft. I suppose there's no chance that pointing out that numero uno LeSean was chosen with the 53rd overall pick will suffice... is there? How about if I throw in that the top RB in 2010 was the undrafted Arian Foster? Crunch on this 2011 data a while TD's by: Rsh Rec 01 Packrs 12 51 02 Saints 16 46 03 Patrts 18 39 04 DLions 09 41 05 Pnthrs 26 21 06 Giants 17 29 07 Falcns 14 29 07 Eagles 20 22 07 Chrgrs 16 27 10 NYJets 14 26 11 BBills 12 24 12 Ravens 15 21 12 Texans 18 20 14 Cowbys 05 33 14 Vikngs 18 20 It would appear that only one of the top 15 scoring teams of 2011 ran for more TD's than they passed for... the Cam Newton led Car Panthers... Take away all of Cam's 14 rushing TD's and they drop to 12 by run, but still have 21 by pass... Apparently even Cam can't pass to himself. Who would argue that Jabaal Sheard should not have been a first round pick after last season. He's a beast, but he went in round 2. We were lucky that some teams missed on him... I think the point is that it's all a gamble, BUT if you have a SURE thing, someone who you know will be great for a long time, you've got to pull the trigger. Sheard isn't relevant to ypur support of TR. It does, however, point out that Heckert spotted a talent others undervalued. I'm gonna guess you do not think that's the case with TR... C'mon 26 Apr.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arizonaroger Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 Our best option of trading down is with St. Louis at 6. I think they want Blackmon, and might be willing to trade up to make sure they get him. I would be happy with the 6th and one of their 2nd rounders. I think the only players Cleveland are considering at 4 are Claiborne and Kalil. I know everyone is talking playmakers but another great offensive lineman will help create playmakers. I also see the possibility of us trading up from 22nd in order to get Floyd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 its the same every year. we talk about all the big name prospects, and we take none of them. we'll get one at 4, my guess is that the rest will be surprise picks to most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 Richardson at #4 is a safe pick. Someone trading up to #3 to snag Richardson is a possibility. Top defensive player on the board at #22. Top WR on the board at #37. Weedon being there in the 3rd. round. Otherwise concentrate your picks on the de3fensive side. Theres no way they go all offense with the top 3 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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