MLD Woody Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 after all of Heck's spin while he tests bs that might get more votes for the eggsucking, slimesnorting, racist fascist ObaMao... This graph tells more of what we need to know. What kind of graph has a y-axis scale that alternates between 2 and 3, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 What kind of graph has a y-axis scale that alternates between 2 and 3, lol And that bothers you because.....? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 Thanks for the links CalFox. So who is paying Brownie to blog for Prez Peace Price? ****************************************************** Well, is heckofaneggsuckingbrownie was in Ohio - I think he'd be blogging for $$$$ on Sherrod Brown's behalf. Sherrod Brown is, btw, more of a slimeball by far... than even Dennis Kucinich. Whoever he blogs for - I think it's dirty money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 What kind of graph has a y-axis scale that alternates between 2 and 3, lol Woodpecker************************* Yes, Woodpecker, by golly, it does. I hadn't even noticed it. I had to get up and close a window, it was open a bit - and a heck walked by...er... I mean skunk walked by....so I got on the computer for a little while, since I started thinking about finishing my fiction novel the next time we get a downpour in the late evening. But, back to your typical avoidance of the SUBJECT matter, what kind of a woodpecker doesn't realize that despite that, it doesn't change the conclusion that is drawn? If it were consistent at three gradients... the effect would be a bit more dramatized compared to 2's, yes? Same conclusion? Why, oh why, can't you ever muster the nads and smarts to contribute an actual opinion on the subject matter? Dang. I haven't even had breakfast yet, and we have to cut hay, get the garden re-tilled after I plowed it for the first time, get the 14 acres of soon to be soybean fields ready, and shoot groundhogs.... and do the dishers after lunch and get a bunch of peat moss the neighbor gave me over to our garden and start planting plants into the garden from the greenhouse and .....etc etc. If Heck had a pet hamster, that hamster surely could contribute at least a tiny bit of relevant posting. So far, you got nothin. You think the deficit numbres will be different? @@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We need Tom Tupa Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 I have don't have a problem with most of that, but I think what Frum's post is more about is the relentless and careful duplicity of Mitt Romney. The way he forms a sentence is enough to make the sleaziest mall lawyer take pride. And yet we still agree that Romney was by far the best choice of the bunch. I would have prefer Daniels to Romney as well, though that was never in the cards. As for the recession, I think we'd probably agree that while this may not be the new normal, it's certainly where we're going to be for a while, and no matter who is elected. You can't paper over our problems anymore. Okay, what's next? You going to stick around for a while? How about your belief that gay people should sit on their hands and not act on their attraction, or their love for another person? Have your libertarian leanings weaned you off that awkwardly squared circle yet? Yours and Frum's criticism of Romney sounds an awful lot like criticisms of Obama 2008. He was all things to all people - telling you exactly what you wanted to hear while rarely ever actually saying anything. To critics, it's sleazy. To supporters, it's great politics. To me, it's all the same. Yes, the economy has long-term problems. My point is that they aren't an excuse anymore. Surprise downturns are an excuse for bad budgets. Slow growth that is projected 5-10 years in advance is not. Reality needs to be dealt with, not used as an excuse. I'll be in and out. Work doesnt make stopping by easy, but there are enough slow spots that I'll be around. My political beliefs havent changed my religious ones. Every person on the planet is born with the natural inclination to sin. Every single day every one of us has to choose whether or not to follow those instincts. I dont envy those who are constantly tempted to sinful sexuality, but as hard as I try (and I've tried hard), I can't find a way to read the Bible to approve of homosexual sex. As for the politics of it, I lean slightly towards gay marriage, but only slightly and only because I dont think the government should discriminate. I don't think policy should be designed to enforce religious views, but I am pretty confident that government support of homosexuality will increase the number of people who engage in homosexual sex, and I'm sympathetic to people opposed to proactive government policies that will increase sinful behavior. Ideally, government would get out of the marriage business. But that's not happening, so the discrimination card pushes me just left of center on the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Z Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 ****************************************************** Well, is heckofaneggsuckingbrownie was in Ohio - I think he'd be blogging for $ on Sherrod Brown's behalf. Sherrod Brown is, btw, more of a slimeball by far... than even Dennis Kucinich. Whoever he blogs for - I think it's dirty money. He's obviously on the Obama payroll. Who else is always here pushing the party line? Who has all the answers um Obama talking points? And where did DaveS come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 Woodpecker ************************* Yes, Woodpecker, by golly, it does. I hadn't even noticed it. I had to get up and close a window, it was open a bit - and a heck walked by...er... I mean skunk walked by....so I got on the computer for a little while, since I started thinking about finishing my fiction novel the next time we get a downpour in the late evening. But, back to your typical avoidance of the SUBJECT matter, what kind of a woodpecker doesn't realize that despite that, it doesn't change the conclusion that is drawn? If it were consistent at three gradients... the effect would be a bit more dramatized compared to 2's, yes? Same conclusion? Why, oh why, can't you ever muster the nads and smarts to contribute an actual opinion on the subject matter? Dang. I haven't even had breakfast yet, and we have to cut hay, get the garden re-tilled after I plowed it for the first time, get the 14 acres of soon to be soybean fields ready, and shoot groundhogs.... and do the dishers after lunch and get a bunch of peat moss the neighbor gave me over to our garden and start planting plants into the garden from the greenhouse and .....etc etc. If Heck had a pet hamster, that hamster surely could contribute at least a tiny bit of relevant posting. So far, you got nothin. You think the deficit numbres will be different? @@ How am I supposed to take this data seriously if it's not even presented correctly? It really hurts its validity. Can you at least give me a link to where you found it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 so why isnt the president focusing on jobs like a laser? he is campaigning...... why bother right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 ROF,LMAO ! "snicker" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 ROF,LMAO ! "snicker" Please can I have a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 sausage link? I can post a map to your local Bob Evans or Cracker Barrel. You had no comment on three links I already posted. Why a fourth? So you can diss some syllable in the link? I usual do post them - I forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 sausage link? I can post a map to your local Bob Evans or Cracker Barrel. You had no comment on three links I already posted. Why a fourth? So you can diss some syllable in the link? I usual do post them - I forgot. I realize you don't understand how statistics work, you've made that very clear. Try to follow this, thaydata was presented in a way that makes me question its validity. How can I double check it? By viewing the source where you found it. That's why I want a link. If you can't even provide the link, I don't see how I can take that graph seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 I realize you don't understand how statistics work, you've made that very clear. Try to follow this, thaydata was presented in a way that makes me question its validity. How can I double check it? By viewing the source where you found it. That's why I want a link. If you can't even provide the link, I don't see how I can take that graph seriously. Why would you think those numbers were incorrect? And what do you think they should be? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Why would you think those numbers were incorrect? Because they were posted by cal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Why would you think those numbers were incorrect? And what do you think they should be? WSS I understand you like to just ask questions for no reason in an attempt to "trap" people or something like that but come on, both of these questions are ridiculous. I explained why I thought these numbers mightily be correct, and Cal not posting a source isn't helping. I don't know what the numbers should be. Or, they should be whatever is correct. I know it's crazy but I'm not looking for numbersthat agree with my view of reality, like so many posters on here. I just want nonbiased facts. If it's pro obama or anti obama I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted May 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Yours and Frum's criticism of Romney sounds an awful lot like criticisms of Obama 2008. He was all things to all people - telling you exactly what you wanted to hear while rarely ever actually saying anything. To critics, it's sleazy. To supporters, it's great politics. To me, it's all the same. Yes, the economy has long-term problems. My point is that they aren't an excuse anymore. Surprise downturns are an excuse for bad budgets. Slow growth that is projected 5-10 years in advance is not. Reality needs to be dealt with, not used as an excuse. I'll be in and out. Work doesnt make stopping by easy, but there are enough slow spots that I'll be around. My political beliefs havent changed my religious ones. Every person on the planet is born with the natural inclination to sin. Every single day every one of us has to choose whether or not to follow those instincts. I dont envy those who are constantly tempted to sinful sexuality, but as hard as I try (and I've tried hard), I can't find a way to read the Bible to approve of homosexual sex. As for the politics of it, I lean slightly towards gay marriage, but only slightly and only because I dont think the government should discriminate. I don't think policy should be designed to enforce religious views, but I am pretty confident that government support of homosexuality will increase the number of people who engage in homosexual sex, and I'm sympathetic to people opposed to proactive government policies that will increase sinful behavior. Ideally, government would get out of the marriage business. But that's not happening, so the discrimination card pushes me just left of center on the issue. On the Romney front ...really? I tend to think this is more of your go-to trick that I can remember after all of these years. (Which I happen to love and enjoy myself, mind you.) When your side is caught acting ridiculous or sleazy or both, you throw your hands up and say, "Hey, it's politics. What do you expect? Everyone does it." Or some variant. It's an easy way to call it a wash and move on rather than delving in to the gradients of dishonesty or sleaze or misinformation, which is what the task always entails. Because it's politics and everyone does it, right? What do you expect? I've been following Romney since the early 90s. He's a special case. He really is. I don't think there's anyone quite like him. And that's one of the more unique takes on gay marriage from an opponent of gay marriage I've ever read. I'm not quite sure whether to argue with it or marvel at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 You're right Heck, that was some interesting reasoning haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted May 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Oh, I don't have any problems with his reasoning. I'm just not ever sure I've ever heard anyone try that line of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 I understand you like to just ask questions for no reason in an attempt to "trap" people or something like that but come on, both of these questions are ridiculous. I explained why I thought these numbers mightily be correct, and Cal not posting a source isn't helping. I don't know what the numbers should be. Or, they should be whatever is correct. I know it's crazy but I'm not looking for numbersthat agree with my view of reality, like so many posters on here. I just want nonbiased facts. If it's pro obama or anti obama I don't care. What I like to do is have you explain your problem with something other than just saying because cal posted it. If you plan to smirk at some sort of post or figure or whatever it seems you should have some sort of idea why it's incorrect. It doesn't seem crazy at all to me to say that the debt has risen faster then wages. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 What I like to do is have you explain your problem with something other than just saying because cal posted it. If you plan to smirk at some sort of post or figure or whatever it seems you should have some sort of idea why it's incorrect. It doesn't seem crazy at all to me to say that the debt has risen faster then wages. WSS My reasoning was never "cuz cal posted it" I've explained my reasoning a few times and I don't feel like doing it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted May 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 What I like to do is have you explain your problem with something other than just saying because cal posted it. If you plan to smirk at some sort of post or figure or whatever it seems you should have some sort of idea why it's incorrect. It doesn't seem crazy at all to me to say that the debt has risen faster then wages. WSS Oh, come on, Steve. I think "because Cal posted it" would probably suffice in about 98% of circumstances. After all of these years you really need to ask why Cal's posts should be skipped over entirely? He has literally nothing to add short of tips on farming. He's as lost as lost can get. Everyone knows it. Just because your main scourge in life is smart liberals acting all smart this doesn't change the fact that Cal compares Obama to Mao in every other post. Or as Tupa once said when asked about Cal's lunacy, "I don't read Cal's posts." We'd all do better to follow his advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We need Tom Tupa Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 On the Romney front ...really? I tend to think this is more of your go-to trick that I can remember after all of these years. (Which I happen to love and enjoy myself, mind you.) When your side is caught acting ridiculous or sleazy or both, you throw your hands up and say, "Hey, it's politics. What do you expect? Everyone does it." Or some variant. It's an easy way to call it a wash and move on rather than delving in to the gradients of dishonesty or sleaze or misinformation, which is what the task always entails. Because it's politics and everyone does it, right? What do you expect? I've been following Romney since the early 90s. He's a special case. He really is. I don't think there's anyone quite like him. And that's one of the more unique takes on gay marriage from an opponent of gay marriage I've ever read. I'm not quite sure whether to argue with it or marvel at it. To be fair, it really is politics, and everyone really does do it. Using Obama, religion is a good example. If you were a Christian and a supporter of Obama, it was very easy to point to things he had said that would convince you he was passionate about his faith and that it would be constantly guiding his decision making. If you were atheist and an Obama supporter, you were positive that he just showed up to church occassionally for the optics of it, but didnt actually believe any of that bs. Gay marriage is another. To gay marriage supporters, he was their savior. To opponents, he was indistinguishable from McCain. Single payer supporters were sure he was a Trojan Horse! Moderates saw him as right of Hillary. Romney will legitimately flip flop from one position to another more often than most, but the stuff Frum was picking at was just politispeak. Of course the second half of my well-played response to these issues is this: who cares? It doesnt matter. The only way I could see this mattering is if this bull actually drove elections, but presidential elections would barely change if you swapped out the candidates with cardboard cutouts of the same political affiliation. Sure, voters are stupid enough to fall for this crap, but that doesnt really change much of anything. Results are what matter, not campaign integrity. I honestly think most of the opposition to gay marriage (other than disgust) is based on a belief that legal recognition of gay marriage will result in more gay sex. Silencing that argument is what gay rights advocates won with their "born that way" argument. But yeah, I guess I have to admit that I dont get a lot of "me too!"s when I explain my position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Oh, come on, Steve. I think "because Cal posted it" would probably suffice in about 98% of circumstances. After all of these years you really need to ask why Cal's posts should be skipped over entirely? He has literally nothing to add short of tips on farming. He's as lost as lost can get. Everyone knows it. Just because your main scourge in life is smart liberals acting all smart this doesn't change the fact that Cal compares Obama to Mao in every other post. Or as Tupa once said when asked about Cal's lunacy, "I don't read Cal's posts." We'd all do better to follow his advice. And as you know that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about woody and a simple graph. Any moron can see the trajectory of the national debt right? And anyone can place the date of the obama inauguration on that graph right? So I can understand someone like you sharing well it's not all his fault. On the other hand just carping about the graph is pretty meaningless. And face it bud, you wouldn't love woody nearly as much if you didn't regularly attack cal. And you know I don't particularly love obama but I don't ride the obamao train. But I do expect woody to explain why he thinks something is wrong the same as anyone else here. how about this next time you post a blog oh answer woody style. "Frum? LOLOLOL HEY I'M GOING TO BE AN ENGINEER!" WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted May 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 To be fair, it really is politics, and everyone really does do it. Using Obama, religion is a good example. If you were a Christian and a supporter of Obama, it was very easy to point to things he had said that would convince you he was passionate about his faith and that it would be constantly guiding his decision making. If you were atheist and an Obama supporter, you were positive that he just showed up to church occassionally for the optics of it, but didnt actually believe any of that bs. Gay marriage is another. To gay marriage supporters, he was their savior. To opponents, he was indistinguishable from McCain. Single payer supporters were sure he was a Trojan Horse! Moderates saw him as right of Hillary. Romney will legitimately flip flop from one position to another more often than most, but the stuff Frum was picking at was just politispeak. Of course the second half of my well-played response to these issues is this: who cares? It doesnt matter. The only way I could see this mattering is if this bull actually drove elections, but presidential elections would barely change if you swapped out the candidates with cardboard cutouts of the same political affiliation. Sure, voters are stupid enough to fall for this crap, but that doesnt really change much of anything. Results are what matter, not campaign integrity. I honestly think most of the opposition to gay marriage (other than disgust) is based on a belief that legal recognition of gay marriage will result in more gay sex. Silencing that argument is what gay rights advocates won with their "born that way" argument. But yeah, I guess I have to admit that I dont get a lot of "me too!"s when I explain my position. Ooh, boy. Let me respond to this after my deadline. One point of agreement: in the end, results are all that matter. The rest of it? I'm not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted May 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 And I take that back. Results are not the only thing that matters. They just matter more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osusev Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Love this thread, I have not poked in here in quite some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Love this thread, I have not poked in here in quite some time. Good to see you Sev. How's it going? WSS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 So Cal, I take it a link was too much then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 too bad obama is the man in power, and any and all leaders must take the blame or they are weakend cowards when they blame everyone else Unless it's the guy your party supports... Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osusev Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Good to see you Sev. How's it going? WSS!! Swamped with work and family thanks for asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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