hammertime Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Not my comfort zone here,but here it goes. You have a decided middle class with a favor for right to work and from what i understand a presidential canditate who will do away with Oho right to work status? How does this help those in the building trades? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Well, hammer, I don't think Ohio is a right to work state. I do think we have lost manufacturing jobs not to China, but to right to work states down south. How many shifted production because of unions? I don't know the exact number. I do think we have a workforce that could be very valuable to a company if the problems cost and unionization rules didn't trump that obvious benefit. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Not my comfort zone here,but here it goes. You have a decided middle class with a favor for right to work and from what i understand a presidential canditate who will do away with Oho right to work status? How does this help those in the building trades? you would think that the Republican Gov Kasich would follow the footsteps of Daniels in Indiana. But it seems like a "pick your battle" scenario for Kasich.... better to not anger the unions that are firmly entrenched, before knowing how to achieve a good outcome. But I think Kasich is being a wimp..... Walker in Wisconsin changed the culture from a public sector unions to a right to work state. eliminated some staggering inequitable pension / insurance packages held by gov sponsored unions.. But the ideal outcome is to eliminate the crooked union bosses, they are the ones feeding the machine in Washington DC (think campaign contributors) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Steve's right again, as usual... Ohio is not a right to work state. I wish it was...The right to work is a matter of freedom to choose, and freedom of forced misrepresentation. It's also a matter of unions long since going out of control,to continue to justify their existence - it's all about greed with those who represent the unions, the officials and attorneys. It all got out of control a long time ago, now. Back in the day - the unions did important work. When it was done, they kept on doing work, but in the years afterwards, rallying cries and issues became pushed past legitimacy. From what used to be leverage for decent treatment and wages, turned into blackmail and greed out of control. But Obamao et all HATE the right to work, they are "all in" with the organized votes (allegedly), and union coerced support out of dues for the left. Right to work needs to be everywhere. It would keep unions from going out of control in plenty of ways, and would give good companies a gigantic breath of fresh air. IOW's, it would keep worker - corporate relations on an even keel. The interference with a corp to keep them away from S. Carolina, a right to work state, was all on the Obamao admin. Just my own five cents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 But the ideal outcome is to eliminate the crooked union bosses, they are the ones feeding the machine in Washington DC (think campaign contributors) Ok, let's look at the other point of view. The ideal outcome is to cut funding to unions, who are campaign/PAC contributors. Yes, unions lean Democrat well over 90% of the time. Since the Republican Party's arch rival is the Democratic Party, if they can succeed in cutting a source of funding to the Democrats, they become even more powerful. I think even right-wingers would admit this. If you don't you are blind. Politics is a game, a game both parties play to gain an edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 I think unions are a good when they are thought of as a common good for people like you and me. I just dont have an answer to the corruption part. I think you are right that both parties have a stake in this, but I think in the end, while it seems to be political, it will be about business, its ambition and mostly the bottom line - like payroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Again, Bob, funding the unions isn't the problem. It's merely that companies would prefer to manufacture in right to work states. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Again, Bob, funding the unions isn't the problem. It's merely that companies would prefer to manufacture in right to work states. WSS Agree Steve. Is it wrong to also look at it like this- we are consumers & purchase goods from Company X. Company X makes profits (hopefully), and some of that profit goes to a PAC if the Board of Directors, CEO, manager, whomever deems it prudent to do so. We all are indirectly funding this political machine in some sort of fashion, whether we like it or not. Whether it be gasoline, prescriptions, groceries, federal tax, state tax, local tax, etc. Special interest groups like unions or ALEC ( only 2 examples of many I suppose)are in politicians ears (& pockets) daily. That's my take, & while I love the USA, it seems to be a flawed system (politics). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted November 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 i'm well aware that ohio is not a right to work state. if it were, the wages that the building trades have worked so hard for would be reduced. i'm strictly speaking for the building trades. the building trades unions have set the precedent for what all workers recieve. i'm not sure why my union represents a threat to the republicans, but i can guarantee i earn every penny i'm paid. and going to a right to work state immediately jeaprodises everything i have worked for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 i'm well aware that ohio is not a right to work state. if it were, the wages that the building trades have worked so hard for would be reduced. i'm strictly speaking for the building trades. the building trades unions have set the precedent for what all workers recieve. i'm not sure why my union represents a threat to the republicans, but i can guarantee i earn every penny i'm paid. and going to a right to work state immediately jeaprodises everything i have worked for. Sorry dude, screw the unions. You're overpaid and the reason companies are leaving in droves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted November 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Sorry dude, screw the unions. You're overpaid and the reason companies are leaving in droves. you obviously did not read what i said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 I think unions are a good when they are thought of as a common good for people like you and me. I just dont have an answer to the corruption part. I think you are right that both parties have a stake in this, but I think in the end, while it seems to be political, it will be about business, its ambition and mostly the bottom line - like payroll It's all political with them. Chew on this one a minute..crews from Alabama headed north to help restore power in NJ but were turned away because they weren't members of the IBEW. It was more important they were union members then it was for them to help restore power to the people left without in the wake of Sandy. I don't care what anybody says....that sucks. I'll bet the people who will be delayed further in getting power would have loved seeing those Alabama crews working on their street and couldn't care less if they were union members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 you obviously did not read what i said. You're right, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 Anybody who has been in corp America as a non-union employee - should know that the job security against abuse and unfair labor practices is one of the reasons unions helped build this country. But, too many are out of control, and some, like the AFL-CIO, have a socialist dirtbag mouthpiece as the president whatever. Not good. The way it should be, ends up being somewhere between the greed of the unions, and the greed of Corp America bigshots. A long distance from each side. Too bad, but it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 Hammer, are you talking about union carpenters bricklayers electricians concrete guys and so forth? Frankly I have no idea how much challenging any or all of these jobs are or how much union members get paid. I think I've made this point before, though maybe not to you. I have no beef with people forming unions. If the trade or skill they represent is vital to running a business then I assume management must pay what they ask. But if there are plenty of workers, non union workers, willing and eager to take those jobs at a much lower rate management should be allowed to hire them. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted November 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 Hammer, are you talking about union carpenters bricklayers electricians concrete guys and so forth? Frankly I have no idea how much challenging any or all of these jobs are or how much union members get paid. I think I've made this point before, though maybe not to you. I have no beef with people forming unions. If the trade or skill they represent is vital to running a business then I assume management must pay what they ask. But if there are plenty of workers, non union workers, willing and eager to take those jobs at a much lower rate management should be allowed to hire them. WSS Thats exactly who i'm referring to. The issue is alot deeper than just wages. We will go in reverse as far benefits, safety, quality and representation. I do think a thourough housecleaning is in order for even my union as well. There is a reason there is a 8 hour workday and a 2 day weekend. I guess where ever there is large money there will be corruption. Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted November 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 i'll let you know how its going in 4 yrs. and where do i get an Obama phone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 i'll let you know how its going in 4 yrs. and where do i get an Obama phone? http://www.freegovernmentcellphones.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 maybe a newly innitiated national bus pass? to go along with the $5,6....10 gasoline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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