Squintz Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Grossi Article Like I've said all along - regardless of what the "traditionalists" feel, there is a growing sentiment to have the threads changed. Even in the locker room. Only one guy mirrors the opposing view - Ben Watson. Even Joe Thomas and Phil freakin' Dawson aren't opposed to change. Ventrone says it best "Times have changed. Look at all these college teams. Young guys are into that kind of stuff." Why wouldn't you change with the times when your damn uniform may actually have an impact on landing a free agent or something? Let me guess, "We don't want any of those damn players that care about shit like that!" Well guess what? MOST OF THEM DO. It's kind of hard to put together a team of good players when you don't want anyone on your team that cares about 'little stuff' like this. It's increasingly important to market our team not only to the fans, but to players and the youth of America. From Tony Grossi: The Morning Kickoff … Survey says: Everyone knows changes are coming to the Browns as new owner Jimmy Haslam and CEO Joe Banner settle in. Big changes and little changes. Where does a uniform change fit in? Look at it this way: The two most visible aspects of an NFL team are the way it plays and the way it’s dressed. Haslam and Banner vow to change the way the Browns play. We know that will take time. But they can change the way they dress starting in 2013. Over the last few weeks, I have polled the Browns locker room. I queried 13 players, just about 25 percent of the roster. It was a representative sampling of old (six) and young (seven), offense (six) and defense (seven), black (nine) and white (four). I can tell you the vast majority favor a uniform change. It was almost unanimous. They are respectful of the Browns’ venerable tradition and Cleveland’s fight in 1996 to keep the Browns’ name and colors. To a man, they are fine with the orange and brown colors and plain orange helmets, though two players (Ray Ventrone and Josh Gordon) would not be opposed to a logo on the helmet. Only one player positively adored the all-white look (Josh Cooper), though he also gave a thumbs-up to the brown pants last used in 2009. No player suggested that changing uniforms would change the team’s fortunes on the field. But the general sentiment was that change is good and the drab sameness of the Browns’ uniforms is somewhat deflating. They want a few more options than all-white or brown-on-white. And they agree that a change in uniforms would aptly signify the change in direction – the jolt of energy -- brought by Haslam. “I think it’s a new generation of football,” said safety T.J. Ward. “Especially with us being one of the youngest teams, I think the consensus is we kind of all want something fresh, a new look. There’s nothing wrong with keeping the same look, but maybe an alternate or a change-up. But we still have to play football.” Roll call: We’ll start with Phil Dawson, the only player who has been with the Browns every year since their rebirth in 1999. Dawson has a greater sense of Browns history than any player in the locker room and even he sees the merit in tweaking the uniform scheme. Dawson: “I look at a lot of pictures of Browns history and I see all kinds of different uniforms. So why it is now the actual ones we’re wearing we can’t change? I don’t get. I’ve seen brown on orange. I’ve seen white on orange. The one constant is the helmet, but way, way back they wore white. There have been changes to the uniform throughout Browns history. “You can probably make a pretty good argument that this city fought so hard to keep its colors when the team left and came back, that some of that (tradition) sentiment is a product of that. So obviously it’s going to be a delicate situation. And I’m certainly not going to be upset if no change is made. (But) guys grumble a little bit. The years we wore throwbacks, there was very little change (to what we wear now).” John Hughes: “Change is always good. I guess the Browns have been very traditional since they’ve been here. But it would be cool to have new jerseys. It would be a change.” L.J. Fort: “I’ve seen some of those NIKE (mock-ups). Those were pretty neat. I don’t have a particular preference. I wouldn’t be against it. It would be cool. But at the same time, it’s Cleveland, and they like tradition and the old-school.” Ben Watson: “I play football. If they told us to go out there in purple and green, then I’d go out there in purple and green. That’s not my concern. I’ve been on some teams where new clothes were bad and they never wore them again because you lost wearing them, and I’ve been on teams where new clothes were good and they kept wearing them. Clothes don’t make the team.” Joe Haden: “I’m all for it. I’m a fashion dude, so anything that could bring another spark would be really sweet. Whatever Haslam wants to do, I’m gonna ride with it. I just think it would be sweet to have new jerseys. Just something different because I think we’re growing something new here. We have a lot of young players, lot of new faces. It would be something. It would be nice. “You look good, you feel good, you play good. So I think new jerseys would be so sweet. Everybody’s definitely down for it. Because we talk about it all the time. The Seahawks jerseys are so ‘sick.’ The 49ers jerseys. That would be ‘sick’ if we had something else.” Ward: “I’m all for it. I don’t think we should change it completely, but I think a few alterations would be cool. You’ve got to change some things up. I know a lot of people are big on tradition here and keeping it the same. But I think maybe a new look would freshen a lot of things up.” Cooper: “I like the plain look. I like the all-white. I’d like to wear the brown pants. That would be sweet. I’ve seen them.” Ventrone: “Sometimes I like the traditional look, but there are other times I think you almost need to change … change an identity. Times have changed. Look at all these college teams. Young guys are into that kind of stuff. I think guys actually like our uniforms even though they might not be (the jazziest). But at the same time, there’s a lot of young guys on our team and I feel a lot of people – fans, etc. – they want to see new stuff.” Gordon: “As much as you can do with brown and orange, I’m sure you can always use a little upgrade. You definitely do (feel energy from new uniforms). That’s how colleges recruit. They get a lot of young guys because of their uniforms. “If they did (change), I’d be all for it. The all whites get a little dirty, a little dingy. I think it’s the best combo that we have. If we did get a new design, I’d be happy to vote for it. You look good, you feel good, you play good. That would be another attraction to come watch the game.” Joe Thomas: “I don’t know. I haven’t thought about it. I don’t know what they’d change it to. It’s been brown forever. I’d be open to seeing what it looks like. It’s hard to say what my opinion is without seeing what they’d change it to.” Josh Cribbs: “Oh, definitely. I say that from the rooftop. I hate the same old things. It’s no fun at all. It’s tradition, of what? We’re a different team. We should have different uniforms, or at least different variety. It would spark us, make us feel more amped. Marketing. Makes people buy the jerseys and want to root for your team. I’ll believe it when it happens. Any change is good for this program.” Alex Smith: “I wouldn’t be opposed to it. I’m definitely a fan of change and trying something different. Of course, it’s tradition-driven uniform … but last year was miserable just doing that all-white. But to have different options. You can always bring (all-white) back as throwbacks.” Eric Hagg: “I like the uniforms. I like brown better than white, just in general. It would be cool (to change). Any good change is good. I don’t really believe you have to do a certain thing every time.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Whatever. Keep the colors the same, don't change the helmet and win some football games. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USFBrown Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 None of this would matter if they were winning more games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRREBEL Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Whatever. Keep the colors the same, don't change the helmet and win some football games. Zombo Bingo!! win us a superbowl!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I'm probably in the minority on this, but I have no problem with some change, as it is the way of life. As long as we suddenly don't become grey and purple, I'm good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 thanks for another gay uni thread. WHO GIVES A FUCK?? you could change everything (maybe fuscia pants, with neon pink tops, with pink helmets with a big logo of a vagina on the sides) if they won the fucking superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squintz Posted November 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 It says Uni's in the title. If you think the thread is 'gay' then why do you even click on the link? I put it on the title to keep morons from posting idiotic replies. If the title said "gaywads frolic in the meadows together" I suppose you'd click on it too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tampadawgs Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I have said this a Million times.. Change the Uniforms!!!!! Change with the times please... Shit the Browns use to wear white helmets HELLO........ I know you old timers think its tradition well I am 35 and the Browns have sucked Donkey Dick most of my lifetime.....Change it please If it was still up to you the Browns would be even more fucked think about... 1. Browns keep old Uniforms for reason unknown 2. Blacks go black to slaves 3. Women cook, clean, and make babies and do not work 4. We listen to Browns games on radio.. NO TV if TV black and white 5. You dont even have a pager yet!!! 6. Not even the NFL yet Get the point Change is good!!!!!! Cavs get Lebron change Uniforms and Highest selling jersey in the NBA granted alot had to do with Lebron Indians Alter Unifom every YEAR!!!!! and I love the Tribes Unis Lets go all Halloween Black, Orange, and Brown Fuck it!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I have said this a Million times.. Change the Uniforms!!!!! Change with the times please... Shit the Browns use to wear white helmets HELLO........ I know you old timers think its tradition well I am 35 and the Browns have sucked Donkey Dick most of my lifetime.....Change it please If it was still up to you the Browns would be even more fucked think about... 1. Browns keep old Uniforms for reason unknown 2. Blacks go black to slaves 3. Women cook, clean, and make babies and do not work 4. We listen to Browns games on radio.. NO TV if TV black and white 5. You dont even have a pager yet!!! 6. Not even the NFL yet Get the point Change is good!!!!!! Cavs get Lebron change Uniforms and Highest selling jersey in the NBA granted alot had to do with Lebron Indians Alter Unifom every YEAR!!!!! and I love the Tribes Unis Lets go all Halloween Black, Orange, and Brown Fuck it!!!!! But no one gives a fuck what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Grossi Article Like I've said all along - regardless of what the "traditionalists" feel, there is a growing sentiment to have the threads changed. Even in the locker room. Only one guy mirrors the opposing view - Ben Watson. Even Joe Thomas and Phil freakin' Dawson aren't opposed to change. Ventrone says it best "Times have changed. Look at all these college teams. Young guys are into that kind of stuff." Why wouldn't you change with the times when your damn uniform may actually have an impact on landing a free agent or something? Let me guess, "We don't want any of those damn players that care about shit like that!" Well guess what? MOST OF THEM DO. It's kind of hard to put together a team of good players when you don't want anyone on your team that cares about 'little stuff' like this. It's increasingly important to market our team not only to the fans, but to players and the youth of America. From Tony Grossi: The Morning Kickoff … Survey says: Everyone knows changes are coming to the Browns as new owner Jimmy Haslam and CEO Joe Banner settle in. Big changes and little changes. Where does a uniform change fit in? Look at it this way: The two most visible aspects of an NFL team are the way it plays and the way it's dressed. Haslam and Banner vow to change the way the Browns play. We know that will take time. But they can change the way they dress starting in 2013. Over the last few weeks, I have polled the Browns locker room. I queried 13 players, just about 25 percent of the roster. It was a representative sampling of old (six) and young (seven), offense (six) and defense (seven), black (nine) and white (four). I can tell you the vast majority favor a uniform change. It was almost unanimous. They are respectful of the Browns' venerable tradition and Cleveland's fight in 1996 to keep the Browns' name and colors. To a man, they are fine with the orange and brown colors and plain orange helmets, though two players (Ray Ventrone and Josh Gordon) would not be opposed to a logo on the helmet. Only one player positively adored the all-white look (Josh Cooper), though he also gave a thumbs-up to the brown pants last used in 2009. No player suggested that changing uniforms would change the team's fortunes on the field. But the general sentiment was that change is good and the drab sameness of the Browns' uniforms is somewhat deflating. They want a few more options than all-white or brown-on-white. And they agree that a change in uniforms would aptly signify the change in direction – the jolt of energy -- brought by Haslam. "I think it's a new generation of football," said safety T.J. Ward. "Especially with us being one of the youngest teams, I think the consensus is we kind of all want something fresh, a new look. There's nothing wrong with keeping the same look, but maybe an alternate or a change-up. But we still have to play football." Roll call: We'll start with Phil Dawson, the only player who has been with the Browns every year since their rebirth in 1999. Dawson has a greater sense of Browns history than any player in the locker room and even he sees the merit in tweaking the uniform scheme. Dawson: "I look at a lot of pictures of Browns history and I see all kinds of different uniforms. So why it is now the actual ones we're wearing we can't change? I don't get. I've seen brown on orange. I've seen white on orange. The one constant is the helmet, but way, way back they wore white. There have been changes to the uniform throughout Browns history. "You can probably make a pretty good argument that this city fought so hard to keep its colors when the team left and came back, that some of that (tradition) sentiment is a product of that. So obviously it's going to be a delicate situation. And I'm certainly not going to be upset if no change is made. (But) guys grumble a little bit. The years we wore throwbacks, there was very little change (to what we wear now)." John Hughes: "Change is always good. I guess the Browns have been very traditional since they've been here. But it would be cool to have new jerseys. It would be a change." L.J. Fort: "I've seen some of those NIKE (mock-ups). Those were pretty neat. I don't have a particular preference. I wouldn't be against it. It would be cool. But at the same time, it's Cleveland, and they like tradition and the old-school." Ben Watson: "I play football. If they told us to go out there in purple and green, then I'd go out there in purple and green. That's not my concern. I've been on some teams where new clothes were bad and they never wore them again because you lost wearing them, and I've been on teams where new clothes were good and they kept wearing them. Clothes don't make the team." Joe Haden: "I'm all for it. I'm a fashion dude, so anything that could bring another spark would be really sweet. Whatever Haslam wants to do, I'm gonna ride with it. I just think it would be sweet to have new jerseys. Just something different because I think we're growing something new here. We have a lot of young players, lot of new faces. It would be something. It would be nice. "You look good, you feel good, you play good. So I think new jerseys would be so sweet. Everybody's definitely down for it. Because we talk about it all the time. The Seahawks jerseys are so 'sick.' The 49ers jerseys. That would be 'sick' if we had something else." Ward: "I'm all for it. I don't think we should change it completely, but I think a few alterations would be cool. You've got to change some things up. I know a lot of people are big on tradition here and keeping it the same. But I think maybe a new look would freshen a lot of things up." Cooper: "I like the plain look. I like the all-white. I'd like to wear the brown pants. That would be sweet. I've seen them." Ventrone: "Sometimes I like the traditional look, but there are other times I think you almost need to change … change an identity. Times have changed. Look at all these college teams. Young guys are into that kind of stuff. I think guys actually like our uniforms even though they might not be (the jazziest). But at the same time, there's a lot of young guys on our team and I feel a lot of people – fans, etc. – they want to see new stuff." Gordon: "As much as you can do with brown and orange, I'm sure you can always use a little upgrade. You definitely do (feel energy from new uniforms). That's how colleges recruit. They get a lot of young guys because of their uniforms. "If they did (change), I'd be all for it. The all whites get a little dirty, a little dingy. I think it's the best combo that we have. If we did get a new design, I'd be happy to vote for it. You look good, you feel good, you play good. That would be another attraction to come watch the game." Joe Thomas: "I don't know. I haven't thought about it. I don't know what they'd change it to. It's been brown forever. I'd be open to seeing what it looks like. It's hard to say what my opinion is without seeing what they'd change it to." Josh Cribbs: "Oh, definitely. I say that from the rooftop. I hate the same old things. It's no fun at all. It's tradition, of what? We're a different team. We should have different uniforms, or at least different variety. It would spark us, make us feel more amped. Marketing. Makes people buy the jerseys and want to root for your team. I'll believe it when it happens. Any change is good for this program." Alex Smith: "I wouldn't be opposed to it. I'm definitely a fan of change and trying something different. Of course, it's tradition-driven uniform … but last year was miserable just doing that all-white. But to have different options. You can always bring (all-white) back as throwbacks." Eric Hagg: "I like the uniforms. I like brown better than white, just in general. It would be cool (to change). Any good change is good. I don't really believe you have to do a certain thing every time." You and your fucking uniforms. Why don't you care about wins instead of uniforms? WTF is wrong with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Change 'em... fuck it. Let the "tradition" die, and the new era of the Browns begin. Change the helmets, jerseys, pants, shoes, jockstraps, I don't give a shit. Change is good. The uniforms we wear now reek with bottom-feeding, softness, and failure. Anything to make a spark is okay with me. Plus, a few more good players and a new HC would be helpful... just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 By all means, let's do a Cleveland Browns uniform thread. Better yet, let's have a Cleveland Browns uniform challenge on Project Runway. Why not? They did The Rockettes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 The UNCC 49ers held a uniform design contest. With Jimmy Haslam here now being more "market oriented" perhaps he will get Reebok, Nike, Champion, Lord and Taylor, Ralph Lauren, Gucci, and Lamborghini to do a uniform design. Here you go. Look at the Va. Tech entry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs4e1I9yNac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 The Browns uniforms are without a doubt the ugliest uniforms and th most unimaginative in ALL of the NFL. I vote the Miami Dolphins as the league's worst, just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Hey Squintz, thanks for posting this important article. I don't by routine get to see the Ohio media much, so this is a nice touch. Too many fans think that the more emotional oriented factors are silly and don't really mean anything, but in fact, the performances of many are influenced by such things. I know that the first gig I ever played with a new Les Paul guitar took my energy and enthusiasm to a new high. Think about how you feel when you get a new car, or a new girl, or a new anything. The Browns uniforms are without a doubt the ugliest uniforms and th most unimaginative in ALL of the NFL. The colos need to be sizzled up and the posted how uploaded that cool bronze and orange helmet showed us a good example of what can be done. I don't want some bullshit half-bastard upgrade that still looks like the old uniforms. The new uniform should have a helmet emblem and rich, bold colors. I love the high tech, robotic look. It would be cool with a "B" emblem or even, a Sci Fi mean ass looking elf. Whatever they do, it needs to be a radical departure form the horseshit they have had for the last 30 years. Hell no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClevelandSound Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 How about the players focus on that game and not the uniforms? Tony Grossi can fuck a goat. This thread is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 The UNCC 49ers held a uniform design contest. With Jimmy Haslam here now being more "market oriented" perhaps he will get Reebok, Nike, Champion, Lord and Taylor, Ralph Lauren, Gucci, and Lamborghini to do a uniform design. Here you go. Look at the Va. Tech entry: fun totally unrelated fact: I just graduated from UNC Charlotte and my buddy had the winning design for the 49ers uniforms. He got $250 and season tickets for his troubles, pretty cool stuff. I can't wait for my alma mater to get into some football. Anyway, as a young guy i have to admit I think it's time for a change. No, I'm not talking about some drastic thing here but more metallic oranges and vibrant browns. It would inject life into things that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hish747 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I made this, it took 3 minutes on powerpoint. Dear Mike H, please, please, please...never use powerpoint again. By the way, using a presentation program to do design? Awkward to the point of being disturbing! That said, around 1-2 years ago someone put a sick looking uniform mockup on here: New Uniform Mockup or a more traditional uniform mockup is attached. Anyway, Jimmy Haslem is a self-made premiere business mogul, not someone who inherited his dad's team. This means marketing is a paramount concern for him, which means new uniforms. We all need to realize that the question is what the new uniforms will look like and not whether there will be new uniforms. I think Bronze and Copper orange is a good way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husky Dog Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 No artist or access to graphic design program, but: metallic copper/orange helmets, no logo, current stripe pattern. Brown pants, white jerseys. Orange piping stripes from chest to armpit and down to belt; same on back. Brown numbers outlined with white (interior and orange (exterior) borders. Reverse pants (white) and jersey (brown) colors for home. Oh, and FEED THE BEAST! #33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I made this, it took 3 minutes on powerpoint. great if you like the old Buccaneers helmets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hish747 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Hey dickwad, it was in between classes. I'm pretty busy, sorry I didn't DL a graphic design program. You get the idea from what I posted faggot. Mike, do you think, maybe, just maybe you're being a little sensitive? I really didn't mean to hurt your feelings. It was a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClevelandSound Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 This thread shouldn't exist but apparently one of the moderators disagrees with me. This topic disgusts me. Do you think Raiders, Steelers, Chiefs, or Jets fans care about changing their uniforms? No. Of course, we have nothing else to talk about, so this is what we ponder. To quote the late Al Davis, "Just win, baby". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 This thread shouldn't exist but apparently one of the moderators disagrees with me. This topic disgusts me. Do you think Raiders, Steelers, Chiefs, or Jets fans care about changing their uniforms? No. Of course, we have nothing else to talk about, so this is what we ponder. To quote the late Al Davis, "Just win, baby". Yeah- "change the unis" threads are Gay. ROTFLMAO, how do you think the Steelers felt trotting out in the "Prison Stripes" outfits? That has to be the most hideous garb I've ever seen on a team at any level of football. Amen, winning cures all this BS talk about updating the look. You guys think the Packers or Bears unis- which also haven't been updated in like forever are somehow inherently "cooler" than the Browns? Really? If the Browns won a Super Bowl the uni update guys wouldn't care if they were wearing Fusia leotards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I agree winning cures alot, but I am not against some uni change. Just leave the helmet intact, and Haslam has said the helmet won't change. I never liked the brown pants, but like the orange, and wouldn't mind a orange jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 It says Uni's in the title. If you think the thread is 'gay' then why do you even click on the link? I put it on the title to keep morons from posting idiotic replies. If the title said "gaywads frolic in the meadows together" I suppose you'd click on it too.... because i like seeing your face get bashed in everytime you post this shit, little faggot. change the uniforms? fuck no! upgrade the color scheme by making them more vibrant? why not. just shut the fuck already though. this seems to be the most important thing to you in the world. the minute they announce some type of uniform 'change' i think you might just squirt your panties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gips Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I am for adding some modern splash color (namely orange) to the uniform but dont touch the helmet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Hey dickwad, it was in between classes. I'm pretty busy, sorry I didn't DL a graphic design program. You get the idea from what I posted faggot. yep. journalist: microsoft word. designer: adobe illy/photoshop. hey, can i do a mockup of a #1 BCS team with all their flash and glory getting BEAT THE FUCK DOWN by a red and white standford team??? HOLLER!! fucking fags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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