calfoxwc Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 the criminals went DIRECTLY FOR THE GUNS. So, that means that the anti gun traitors are going to be responsible for any deaths that those criminals cause by using those firearms. Congrats, anti gun libs. The lib result is always the OPPOSITE of their alleged intent. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/13/house-identified-on-ny-papers-gun-map-burglarized-and-the-robbers-went-straight-for-the-guns/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Look, nobody on here feels more strongly for the need to limit gun violence than myself, but this is absolute bullshit that a newspaper would even publish such a thing. A gross violation of privacy no doubt. My advice would be to get a security system which is the single best thing to protect your home from being burglarized. Another question is why these stolen firearms are not in a secure gun safe? Ideally if you had both a gun safe and a security system, which, by the way, is absolutely able to put a contact inside a gun safe, your home would be far less susceptible to burglaries no matter what the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Cysko- No firearms were stolen because they were locked away in a safe. Score another one for the good guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Cysko- No firearms were stolen because they were locked away in a safe. Score another one for the good guys . So how could you know they went "right for the guns"? I'll admit not having read the whole article for lack of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 So how could you know they went "right for the guns"? I'll admit not having read the whole article for lack of time. There was evidence of an unsuccessful attempt to break into the safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 I'm sure that nothing else was stolen, then, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Not according to the preliminary investigation. A detailed report has not been released yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Just something to think about for all the anti gun people who grudgingly admit they might have a use for self defense... And for those who claim that our pistols are for self defense... That gun will do you absolutely no good if its locked up. Unless it's loaded and with in a hands reach you're probably not going to be able to defend yourself against a home invasion. Just saying. Wss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Just something to think about for all the anti gun people who grudgingly admit they might have a use for self defense... And for those who claim that our pistols are for self defense... That gun will do you absolutely no good if its locked up. Unless it's loaded and with in a hands reach you're probably not going to be able to defend yourself against a home invasion. Just saying. Wss All of the bedrooms in my house are upstairs. So are my gun safes. I have a large guard dog (2 yrs old) that just finally stopped barking every time the boiler turned on & off. The handgun safe is next to my bed and can go from me asleep & locked to unlocked & awake very quickly. There's a .45acp ready to bark inside with plenty of reinforcements. As I hand my cell phone to my wife to call 911, I can get to my large safe and grab the 12 gauge to start loading it. My wife grabs the 20 gauge and goes to the youngest child's room, and I escort the oldest child to that room with my wife. Then I rack the 12 gauge (a pretty distinct noise), and wait for the dog to stop barking, or the police to arrive, or the intruder to go on a unique weight loss plan. Whichever comes 1st. All under 1 minute. Pretty doomsday prepper-ish of me, but whatever. We've practiced this along with what to do if the fire alarm goes off, several times (except I've never woken my kids out of sleep, but they know what to do if they are woken). Plenty of what if's but we are prepared and safe if we've got a minute of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 All of the bedrooms in my house are upstairs. So are my gun safes. I have a large guard dog (2 yrs old) that just finally stopped barking every time the boiler turned on & off. The handgun safe is next to my bed and can go from me asleep & locked to unlocked & awake very quickly. There's a .45acp ready to bark inside with plenty of reinforcements. As I hand my cell phone to my wife to call 911, I can get to my large safe and grab the 12 gauge to start loading it. My wife grabs the 20 gauge and goes to the youngest child's room, and I escort the oldest child to that room with my wife. Then I rack the 12 gauge (a pretty distinct noise), and wait for the dog to stop barking, or the police to arrive, or the intruder to go on a unique weight loss plan. Whichever comes 1st. All under 1 minute. Pretty doomsday prepper-ish of me, but whatever. We've practiced this along with what to do if the fire alarm goes off, several times (except I've never woken my kids out of sleep, but they know what to do if they are woken). Plenty of what if's but we are prepared and safe if we've got a minute of time. Eek. Guns for defense scares the hell out of me when you have kids. I mean, say your 9th grader sneaks out to spend a night out with Sally down the street. He sneaks back in, pissing off the dog, then you pop out and shoot who you think is an intruder. Either way, your plan is easily defeated by a bandit with a T-bone steak. If your shit is locked up, it's always possible to get the jump on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Pssst Heck.... Remember when we planned to burglarize Legacy house? I think I changed my mind...... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 No doubt Steve. I have guns locked in a safe. More to keep them and other things from being stolen than for safety reasons. I have a home alarm, but the reality with a alarm is if someone gets in, they have 5-6-7 minutes to rummage around before they feel the need to get out since there usually isn't a cop inside 4-5-6 miles away, and alarm companies don't call for police instantly. For invasion purposes, which happen most of the time when you are awake in a neighborhood like mine since alarms aren't set until people retire for the evening, I have a handguns here next to the computer, in a upstairs bathroom, and a 12 gauge next to the bed. All loaded and ready for a trigger pull. LOL....I keep a 16" sword next to the door. When ever I open the door and don't know the person at the door, I have it in my hand, shielded by the door. The first person to push through is in for a bad day. The 2nd person might get me, but the first guy is going to have a severe belly ache. The way the door is situated, he gets it through the liver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Eek. Guns for defense scares the hell out of me when you have kids. I mean, say your 9th grader sneaks out to spend a night out with Sally down the street. He sneaks back in, pissing off the dog, then you pop out and shoot who you think is an intruder. Either way, your plan is easily defeated by a bandit with a T-bone steak. If your shit is locked up, it's always possible to get the jump on you. Which is why I concluded my post with the "Plenty of what if's" statement. And in my "drill" or whatever you want to call it, the kids are accounted for before I train any of the muzzle's on any target. Again, the dog will bark at least once. After that, I'm up, and the clock's ticking. He better be quick with the t-bone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Pssst Heck.... Remember when we planned to burglarize Legacy house? I think I changed my mind...... WSS lmao I promise I don't have a bunker with 5 gal buckets of freeze dried food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 lmao I promise I don't have a bunker with 5 gal buckets of freeze dried food. Well hell then there's no reason to rob you... I have an addiction to reconstituted Beef stroganoff. Wss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Just something to think about for all the anti gun people who grudgingly admit they might have a use for self defense... And for those who claim that our pistols are for self defense... That gun will do you absolutely no good if its locked up. Unless it's loaded and with in a hands reach you're probably not going to be able to defend yourself against a home invasion. Just saying. Wss ********************* The answer is biometric pistol safes. Our guns are locked up, all of them. I won't have a loaded gun in the house....but that will change when I get a safe like I mentioned. It reads your finger prints, pops open, and you are ready to defend. Bolts into the studs in the wall. Can be programmed to accept the fingerprints of more than one person, they run somewhere between a hundred and two hundred fifty, maybe. I'm shopping, I want the best quality for the money. I haven't gotten to the point where I think I may have to have one loaded at all times, but it's closing in. There have been several home breakins in our area... and it seems like the criminals are branching out into the suburbs from the cities more and more. The loaded gun thing should scare the hell out of most anybody. If, God forbid, that day came, I'm not shooting at someone until I clearly see that they intend to do me harm or no good if they've broken in. Like I've said before, if it's some drunk calling out for his "Mabel", not knowing he's in the wrong house, I'm not shooting that intruder. Gun training in safety, and even common sense self defense in different situations is important. I have to figure out where to buy 12 gauge black powder shotgun shells for my Dad's old double barrel twelve gauge I haven't shot in years. Fun squirrel gun. No bunker, Legacy, but I have been dehydrating and canning food. A major part of the giant garden will be designed for that purpose. I think all I can handle is 600 tomato plants without risking another torn up shoulder or something. But most of the time when I watch "Doomsday Preppers" on tv, I shake my head and think "those people are not right in the head"....... Although, when I build our chicken house on an old wagon so I can tractor it to different places on the farm..... would somebody say that about me and our chicken coop on wheels? eh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Cal - I think the biometrics at that price range are a waste of money if you're looking for them to be quick in an emergency. The quality of the readers isn't what you'd expect and you have to put your finger on the reader with extreme precision for it to register. I've read that some folks get around this by spending a little more and getting the ones that allow for multiple people to access and placing their finger on it a bunch different ways so in a panic they are hopefully ok when they don't get their finger down precisely the 1st time. That's too risky IMO, and I'm not spending over $1000 for a bedside safe to have a top quality fingerprint reader. A pushbutton lock (like a simplex door lock at the office or wherever) is the way to go) It's quick, and secure and most have a key access for backup. Mechanical components instead of electrical ones always make me feel a little more confident anyway. Very nice safes can be had in the $250 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 What you call a "simplex" lock (simplex is largely a fire protection company) or a mag-lock/electronic strike would probably be a decent choice if it were built into the safe with a combination. Having a seperate release button that opens it is very likely to defeat the purpose as anyone with a little bit of electronics knowlegde will know how to defeat a lock like that. In the case of an electronic strike, which is fail-secure you can defeat it by supplying power in the wiring with as little as a nine volt battery. With a mag-lock which is typically fail open you could simply cut the wire, which will drop power to the lock and boom, its open. There's a reason why at your office all that stuff is most likely inside the doorframes or above the ceiling. Electronic locks are onl,y secure if no one could get to the wiring. If you had a button that releases your gun safe by the bed or whatever, then your gun safe is anything but. It's literally an open door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 I have to research it. I know my CCW instructor said to not buy a cheap one, and his work terrific. Food for thought though - what would happen if the power goes out? Stays locked? hmm. Then, maybe just get one that locks with a key, put the key in it at night - (only with no kids in the house), and take it out and.... goin to have to research this a lot....@@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Typically youd have a battery backup for such a set up, cal, in case of power outage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 What you call a "simplex" lock (simplex is largely a fire protection company) or a mag-lock/electronic strike would probably be a decent choice if it were built into the safe with a combination. Having a seperate release button that opens it is very likely to defeat the purpose as anyone with a little bit of electronics knowlegde will know how to defeat a lock like that. In the case of an electronic strike, which is fail-secure you can defeat it by supplying power in the wiring with as little as a nine volt battery. With a mag-lock which is typically fail open you could simply cut the wire, which will drop power to the lock and boom, its open. There's a reason why at your office all that stuff is most likely inside the doorframes or above the ceiling. Electronic locks are onl,y secure if no one could get to the wiring. If you had a button that releases your gun safe by the bed or whatever, then your gun safe is anything but. It's literally an open door. These are what I'm talking about. Not a simple pushbutton, but a series of pushbuttons used in a combination. http://www.policeone.com/police-products/firearm-accessories/firearms-storage/articles/1665415-Handgun-Safes-with-Simplex-Lock-Mechanisms-Secure-Fast-Easy-Access/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 These are what I'm talking about. Not a simple pushbutton, but a series of pushbuttons used in a combination. http://www.policeone.com/police-products/firearm-accessories/firearms-storage/articles/1665415-Handgun-Safes-with-Simplex-Lock-Mechanisms-Secure-Fast-Easy-Access/ Well there you go it looks pretty safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 That was an education, there. I went to the Versa.net site, and it went to Godaddy whatever. I'm going to check it out. Thanks ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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