The Gipper Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 Here are some more situations about players that may be in or out of the picture: OUT OF THE PICTURE: Jets LB Josh Mauga, resigned Bills CB Leodis McKelvin, resigned Cards QB Brian Hoyer, tender offered Giants WR Victor Cruz, tender offered Texans TE Phillip Supernaw, signed Broncos S David Bruton, signed IN THE PICTURE: Cards WR Early Doucet, waived Redskins CB DeAngelo Hall, released Broncos LB DJ Williams, released Broncos QB Caleb Hanie, released Cowboys LB Dan Connor, released (wasn't he Roseanne's husband, played by John Goodman?) Cards RB Beanie Wells and Fozzy Whitaker, both released. Should the Browns have any interest in any of these players that have been released? Doucet as a replacement for MoMass? There are cornerbacks and LBs there...which the Browns need. Could any of these help? Have any of these retired a la Chris Gamble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 DJ Williams has the potential to be a really great player, but he can't keep his head on straight. I would expect him to sign with the Patriots or Bengals and have a great next couple of seasons. Beanie Wells also has the potential, but has had a terrible career for the most part. If he could stay healthy, he'd be a solid backup. But we have Montario Hardesty, who can be more than capable when called upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 DJ Williams has the potential to be a really great player, but he can't keep his head on straight. I would expect him to sign with the Patriots or Bengals and have a great next couple of seasons. Beanie Wells also has the potential, but has had a terrible career for the most part. If he could stay healthy, he'd be a solid backup. But we have Montario Hardesty, who can be more than capable when called upon. Maybe if Beanie "came home" he could contribute. He went to (Akron) Garfield HS. Maybe the Browns can pick up all the old home boys: Beanie Wells (Akron) RB James Harrison(Coventry) LB Is Antoine Winfield a FA(also Akron Garfield.) CB Aqib Talib (born in Cleveland) CB Ted Ginn, Glenville WR/KR Brian Hoyer, St. Ignatius QB Nate Clements, Shaker Hts Rob Sims, Nordonia OG Rodger Saffold, Bedford Haruki Nakamura, Elyria S Scott Mruczkowski, Garfield Hts. OG/C Michael McGlynn, Austintown Fitch Kevin Houser, Westlake Long Snapper David Herron, Warren LB London Fletcher, St. Joe's LB Barry Cofield, Cleveland Hts. DT Prescott Burgess, Warren G. Harding LB/ST Alex Boone, St. Eds OG You could put together a whole team of local talent perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 DJ Williams has the potential to be a really great player, but he can't keep his head on straight. I would expect him to sign with the Patriots or Bengals and have a great next couple of seasons. Beanie Wells also has the potential, but has had a terrible career for the most part. If he could stay healthy, he'd be a solid backup. But we have Montario Hardesty, who can be more than capable when called upon. WHAT?! OMG, like what's wrong with you?... it's like somebody spilled your dna while you were being evolved and reassembled you into a female hygienic cleaning product... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 WHAT?! OMG, like what's wrong with you?... it's like somebody spilled your dna while you were being evolved and reassembled you into a female hygienic cleaning product... How about actually explaining your reasons for criticizing his post instead of giving some silly cryptic response. You apparently disagree that DJ Williams and Beanie Wells would have potential value to the Browns. Explain why. Because I sure don't know what his pros are or what your cons are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 Maybe if Beanie "came home" he could contribute. He went to (Akron) Garfield HS. Maybe the Browns can pick up all the old home boys: Beanie Wells (Akron) RB James Harrison(Coventry) LB Is Antoine Winfield a FA(also Akron Garfield.) CB Aqib Talib (born in Cleveland) CB Ted Ginn, Glenville WR/KR Brian Hoyer, St. Ignatius QB Nate Clements, Shaker Hts Rob Sims, Nordonia OG Rodger Saffold, Bedford Haruki Nakamura, Elyria S Scott Mruczkowski, Garfield Hts. OG/C Michael McGlynn, Austintown Fitch Kevin Houser, Westlake Long Snapper David Herron, Warren LB London Fletcher, St. Joe's LB Barry Cofield, Cleveland Hts. DT Prescott Burgess, Warren G. Harding LB/ST Alex Boone, St. Eds OG You could put together a whole team of local talent perhaps. Antoine Winfield was released 10 minutes ago. I would not mind adding the first five from that list at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 As of this morning, March 18 here is a list of players who have been added 'in the picture" over the last several days: QB Kevin Kolb S Tom Zbikowski WR Brandon Lloyd S Ben Pollard WR Ben Obomanu DE Elvis Dumerville LB Quincy Black S Kerry Rhodes TE Kellen Davis What interest is there in acquiring any of these players at various position of need for the Browns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 As of this morning, March 18 here is a list of players who have been added 'in the picture" over the last several days: QB Kevin Kolb S Tom Zbikowski WR Brandon Lloyd S Ben Pollard WR Ben Obomanu DE Elvis Dumerville LB Quincy Black S Kerry Rhodes TE Kellen Davis What interest is there in acquiring any of these players at various position of need for the Browns? I'm interested in Kolb. Pollard plays same position as Ward. Dumerville is probably not going to be signed with Sheard and Kruger on board. Lukewarm, or do know enough to speak ofthe rest. No to Brandon Lloyd. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Per CBSports.com's Top 100 Free agent rankings, here are the best players that were/are free agents and their disposition: QB Joe Flacco, resigned with Ravens prior to FA period beginning. ...NO other QB was listed in Top 100, though this list was made prior to the Fitzpatrick release RB Steven Jackson signed with the Falcons WR Dwayne Bowe, resigned with KC prior to FA period beginning ...top WR to hit market: Mike Wallace, signe by Dolphins TE Jared Cook, signed by Rams OT Ryan Clady, resigned with Broncos before FA period began ...top OT to hit market: Sebastian Vollmer, and he is still unsigned OG Andy Levitre, signed by Titans C no centers were ranked in CBS top 100 DE Cliff Avril signed by Seahawks ...note: list prior to Dumerville release DT Henry Melton, resigned by Bear priot to FA period beginning ...top DT to hit market: Desmond Bryant signed by Browns OLB Paul Kruger, signed by Browns ILB Dannell Ellerbe, signed by Dolphins S Jarius Byrd, resigned by Bill prior to FA beginning ...top S to hit market: Dashon Goldson, signed by Tampa Bay CB Sean Smith signed by KC ...note: other lists had Grimes top, but injury situation made him a question mark. As mentioned, if Browns get Grimes, they could get perhaps top FA at 3 positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Zibikowski would be sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Note, per this CBSports.com website, 35 of the top 100 FAs available still remain unsigned. I know the Browns are talking to some of them. Who among this list should they be thinking about? http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/transactions/free-agents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Zibikowski would be sick Why would the Colts release him if he is so good? I didn't hear that they had a cap space problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Why would the Colts release him if he is so good? I didn't hear that they had a cap space problem. ditto that about Vollmer- he made the Pro Bowl @ RT. Bill B rarely makes mistakes, so he must know something we don't. Then again he thought an average of 120 receptions and 1,400 yards receiving over the last two years wasn't worth $6 million a year either. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 ditto that about Vollmer- he made the Pro Bowl @ RT. Bill B rarely makes mistakes, so he must know something we don't. Then again he thought an average of 120 receptions and 1,400 yards receiving over the last two years wasn't worth $6 million a year either. :/ I don't know Vollmer's age, but perhaps he, like Welker, was a little older and BB, as he often does gets rid of guys perhaps one year early rather than one year late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Cuz Zibikowski in the only Notre Dame player I've ever liked and he's a good user safety in Madden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeb Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Cruz is still a year away from unrestricted free agency so they don’t have to give him a mega-contract at the moment. They can buy time — as the $2.879 million tender did — until they have a better idea what his market value really is. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/vacchiano-tendering-cruz-article-1.1290695#ixzz2NvGKI2Wk The giants have been walking a fine line with Cruz way to long and need to be called on the " Your so happy in Ny the greatest city on the planet Line " While paying him somewhere around 330,000 $ Next year he will demand 12 Mill and the giants are going to pull a Mike Wallace and smash his reputation in the media . Cruz deserves a Chance to be Someones # 1 and the NY talking heads are cuddling the fact , The only thing holding him there is the fear of the NY media . Cleveland need to at least sweeten the deal for him so this travesty doesn't play out in the form of Wallace to Miami after a media circus . Im sure Miami would have given up the Ryan Tannenhill pick for Wallace at 4.5 mill last year . A lesson Cleveland should look at , as a positive not a loss . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Cruz is still a year away from unrestricted free agency so they don’t have to give him a mega-contract at the moment. They can buy time — as the $2.879 million tender did — until they have a better idea what his market value really is. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/vacchiano-tendering-cruz-article-1.1290695#ixzz2NvGKI2Wk The giants have been walking a fine line with Cruz way to long and need to be called on the " Your so happy in Ny the greatest city on the planet Line " While paying him somewhere around 330,000 $ Next year he will demand 12 Mill and the giants are going to pull a Mike Wallace and smash his reputation in the media . Cruz deserves a Chance to be Someones # 1 and the NY talking heads are cuddling the fact , The only thing holding him there is the fear of the NY media . Cleveland need to at least sweeten the deal for him so this travesty doesn't play out in the form of Wallace to Miami after a media circus . Im sure Miami would have given up the Ryan Tannenhill pick for Wallace at 4.5 mill last year . A lesson Cleveland should look at , as a positive not a loss . So NY won't pay him $12 million next year but Cleveland should give him that kind of money, and ship the #6 pick to the Giants on top of it? Instant Cap Hell. Welker only got $6 million. No thanks. I like what we have in Gordon and Little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Cuz Zibikowski in the only Notre Dame player I've ever liked and he's a good user safety in Madden Grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Moves yesterday involving players at positions of Browns needs, these guys are now "Out of the Picture" for the Browns: TE Matt Spaeth signed by Steelers LB Antwan Barnes signed by Jets TE Ben Watson signed by Saints LB Ramon Humber signed by Saints CB Cassius Vaughn resigned by Colts LB Rey Maualaga resigned by Bengals. DE Marcus spears signed by Ravens P Sav Rocca signed by Redskins TE Tom Crabtree signed by Bucs LB Kevin Burnett signed by Raiders TE Ben Hartsock signed by Panthers DB Craig Dahl signed by 49ers K Nick Folk signed by Jets LB Rob Francois signed by Packers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Grow up. You first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 You first I am growing old, I am growing out, I am growing grey. At this point I may even be retracting in my growth. 11When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HavIYhoAiUE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 More "out of the picture" this afternoon March 19th: QB Ryan Fitzpatrick...got his St. Pats present, signed by Titans QB Matt Hasselback...signed by Colts OG Nate Garner...signed by Dolphins WR Louis Murphy...signed by Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Another group of "Outs": CB DJ Moore signs with Panthers OG Seth Olsen signs with Vikings QB David Carr resigns with Giants and, of course, Phil Dawson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shep Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Really, really loved the Browns first two moves. Really, really hate that they've missed out on all those affordable corners and now it's down to paying more for a potentially terrific CB who's gonna be 30 and coming off a torn achilles. Could work out... could make us yearn for Keenan Lewis. I figured we should focus on D and RG because it's gonna be tough to get f/a passcatchers to come here until we have a settled and productive QB sitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadNewsBrowns Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 I'm cautiously optimistic about the signings, I think the biggest factor will be Horton and not the free agents we signed. Quinton Groves was on the radio today and the way these guys talk about Horton and his D makes it sound like he is Bill Walsh reincarnated as a defensive guy. Can't wait for the new season should be exciting. I wish we would of signed Sean Smith the corner who went to KC,hopefully we can land Grimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shep Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Yeah, there were so many young, legit, starting "second corners" on the market, even more than usual and it's always a popular position. Shit, remember Carlos Rogers dangling out there until May... but then making the Pro Bowl? They're falling off trees but we never seem to catch one. I thought we'd jump on Kruger and Keenan Lewis right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erie Dawg Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 I'm cautiously optimistic about the signings, I think the biggest factor will be Horton and not the free agents we signed. Quinton Groves was on the radio today and the way these guys talk about Horton and his D makes it sound like he is Bill Walsh reincarnated as a defensive guy. Can't wait for the new season should be exciting. I would say our signings have been "smart". I dont want to use the rome wasn't built in a day bit, because we've heard it all before. But if you look at how Banner was part of assembling the eagles it was calculated smart moves. He assembled a football team you didnt hear of the eagles in cap hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Really, really loved the Browns first two moves. Really, really hate that they've missed out on all those affordable corners and now it's down to paying more for a potentially terrific CB who's gonna be 30 and coming off a torn achilles. Could work out... could make us yearn for Keenan Lewis. I figured we should focus on D and RG because it's gonna be tough to get f/a passcatchers to come here until we have a settled and productive QB sitch. Well, in my other thread Scouts Inc. listed 5 CBs as being their equally rated #1 grade. And four of those remain unsigned. Grimes, Jammer, Gamble....and another. So, if you go by them, the best are still out there. (but yes, they may in fact be "older" guys. Gamble says he is retiring...so did Tony Gonzales. No one is retired until you get about into the middle of the regular season and a guy does not come back) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 S Louis Delmar Lions signed WR Marlon Moore 49ers signed Both now out of the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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