Benghazi

[Westside Steve]

actually I don't think that it was terrorism given the definition we've most often used. It was an attack, an attack on our Embassy planned out and executed.

 

but neither was it a protest that got out of hand over some stupid YouTube video that nobody heard of until rice told us.

 

and frankly this investigation or this effort to get to the bottom of what happened to make sure it never happens again...

 

there may be a grain of truth to that but mostly people want to keep it in the Publix mind a little longer. Even though the horse is out of the barn.

 

all they really needed to do was run out the clock until the election and that was accomplished.

 

WSS

[clebro]

 

And even if we grant you this semantic point - which i don't, but whatever - this matters why?

It's not semantics. You claimed he correctly pointed out is was an organized attack which he didn't. Unless "act of terror" isn't a general phrase but specifically refers to Muslim extremists. Which it doesn't.

 

No one knew "my guy" (the whistleblowers) claimed it was an attack because they weren't even asked about it. It's not a problem that they thought the protests could have been part of it after it first happened. It's a problem that people who were there and willing to tell what happened were ignored. Because they were ignored totally wrong info was stated as fact. You make it sound like I'm criticizing people for thinking the protests could have some how been a part of it. I'm not. I'm criticizing them for putting out the wrong info because witnesses were ignored.

 

I'm not criticizing anyone for not knowing everything day 1. I'm criticizing them for telling Rice to tell everyone a video was to blame when they didn't know that for sure. What I'm actually doing and what you are accusing me of are 2 different things.

[heckofajobbrownie]

Now he has to point out it was an "organized" attack? I can't keep up with all of the made up rules you have for discussing terrorist attacks.

 

As for, "I'm criticizing them for telling Rice to tell everyone a video was to blame when they didn't know that for sure."

 

But that's not what happened. So stop doing that. They were giving their best sense of the information at the time. No one knew anything for sure. They hadn't completed the investigation yet. Nor did Rice definitively say how the attack occurred. You think they could have settled it by talking to the right people more. Maybe so. I still don't know which semantic detail has you so upset, or why you think it's such a big deal that we didn't know the exact details for another few days.

[White Dog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct_PHtLkgWw

 

There Was a Stand Down Order

 

 

 

 

[White Dog]

However, the burning question remains: Who, with the appropriate authority, actually gave the stand down order? And why?

[calfoxwc]

Baloney, Heck. Spin it all day, every way. But Obamao clearly knew it was terrorism the day after.

A week later, he was saying it was because of the video. Protests because of the video.

 

There were no protests. This president flat out lied a week later, and Rice and Clinton went full forward with

the lie.

 

The benefit is, to portray their "diplomacy" as much a success as they would like Americans to believe - that they

are sooooo successful. Like they were sooooo successful in "saving the auto industry". Except Ford didn't need help.

Successful as to how they "saved" all Americans from higher medical insurance premiums and got all uninsured to be insured.

It's desperate cover for a president who has become the opposite of what he was portrayed as, and has failed America as a result.

 

And running and spinning and changing the subject is beneath you, I would think. Steve catches you at it all the time. But you did

say that Obamao said Benghazi was terrorism a day later. And I showed you he said it was just a reaction to the video a week later.

 

And you ran and spun again.

[White Dog]

THERE WAS A STAND DOWN ORDER

Though some the details are still fuzzy, someone issued a stand down order that prevented Special Forces from traveling to Benghazi to intervene after the attack.

Hicks, the former deputy chief of mission for the U.S. in Libya and the highest ranking official in the country at the time of the Benghazi attacks, testified that either AFRICOMM or SOCAFRICA issued the stand down order, though he didn’t have a name or where the command originated.

Hicks said Lt. Col. Gibson, a Special Operations Command (SOC) Africa commander, was “furious” after receiving the stand down order. “Lt. Col. Gibson was furious. I had told him to go bring our people home. That’s what he wanted to do,” he said.

[heckofajobbrownie]

but neither was it a protest that got out of hand over some stupid YouTube video that nobody heard of until rice told us.

 

This is so horribly inaccurate. How can you be so inaccurate? This happened in September of last year. The protests were all over the globe. The news covered them extensively. We talked about the video in here. That all predated Rice going on the Sunday shows.

 

Nobody ever heard of it? You mean the one that made international news and caused protests all over the world?

 

Oh, that video.

[Legacy Fan]

Wait.. Our "strategy" to go after the groups or factions responsible for Benghazi was not to shout "come out come out wherever you are!!" as we went looking for them?

 

And this "strategy" being the impetus for changing the official dialogue thus concealing who we felt was responsible?

 

Holy fuck. I need some Tylenol.

[Legacy Fan]

Anybody remember this scene from "Clear and Present Danger"??

 

Felix Cortez: [referring to Jack Ryan] Whatever this man has told you is a lie. He LIES for a living!

Ernesto Escobedo: He is in the Intelligence business.

Felix Cortez: Exactly.

Ernesto Escobedo: YOU'RE in the Intelligence business!

[DieHardBrownsFan]

 

When it became clear last fall that the CIA's now discredited Benghazi talking points were flawed, theWhite House said repeatedly the documents were put together almost entirely by the intelligence community, but White House documents reviewed by Congress suggest a different story.

ABC News has obtained 12 different versions of the talking points that show they were extensively edited as they evolved from the drafts first written entirely by the CIA to the final version distributed to Congress and to U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice before she appeared on five talk showsthe Sunday after that attack.

Related: Read the Full Benghazi Talking Point Revisions

White House emails reviewed by ABC News suggest the edits were made with extensive input from theState Department. The edits included requests from the State Department that references to the Al Qaeda-affiliated group Ansar al-Sharia be deleted as well references to CIA warnings about terrorist threats in Benghazi in the months preceding the attack.

That would appear to directly contradict what White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said about the talking points in November.

"Those talking points originated from the intelligence community. They reflect the IC's best assessments of what they thought had happened," Carney told reporters at the White House press briefing on November 28, 2012. "The White House and the State Department have made clear that the single adjustment that was made to those talking points by either of those two institutions were changing the word 'consulate' to 'diplomatic facility' because 'consulate' was inaccurate."

Summaries of White House and State Department emails - some of which were first published by Stephen Hayes of the Weekly Standard - show that the State Department had extensive input into the editing of the talking points.

State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland raised specific objections to this paragraph drafted by the CIA in its earlier versions of the talking points:

"The Agency has produced numerous pieces on the threat of extremists linked to al-Qa'ida in Benghazi and eastern Libya. These noted that, since April, there have been at least five other attacks against foreign interests in Benghazi by unidentified assailants, including the June attack against the British Ambassador's convoy. We cannot rule out the individuals has previously surveilled the U.S. facilities, also contributing to the efficacy of the attacks."

In an email to officials at the White House and the intelligence agencies, State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland took issue with including that information because it "could be abused by members [of Congress] to beat up the State Department for not paying attention to warnings, so why would we want to feed that either? Concerned …"

The paragraph was entirely deleted.

Like the final version used by Ambassador Rice on the Sunday shows, the CIA's first drafts said the attack appeared to have been "spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo" but the CIA version went on to say, "That being said, we do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al-Qa'ida participated in the attack." The draft went on to specifically name the al Qaeda-affiliated group named Ansar al-Sharia.

Once again, Nuland objected to naming the terrorist groups because "we don't want to prejudice the investigation."

In response, an NSC staffer coordinating the review of the talking points wrote back to Nuland, "The FBI did not have major concerns with the points and offered only a couple minor suggestions."

After the talking points were edited slightly to address Nuland's concerns, she responded that changes did not go far enough.

"These changes don't resolve all of my issues or those of my buildings leadership," Nuland wrote.

In an email dated 9/14/12 at 9:34 p.m. - three days after the attack and two days before Ambassador Rice appeared on the Sunday shows - Deputy National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes wrote an email saying the State Department's concerns needed to be addressed.

"We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don't want to undermine the FBI investigation. We thus will work through the talking points tomorrow morning at the Deputies Committee meeting."

Related: Diplomat Says Requests For Benghazi Rescue Were Rejected

After that meeting, which took place Saturday morning at the White House, the CIA drafted the final version of the talking points - deleting all references to al Qaeda and to the security warnings in Benghazi prior to the attack.

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said none of this contradicts what he said about the talking points because ultimately all versions were actually written and signed-off by the CIA.

"The CIA drafted these talking points and redrafted these talking points," Carney said. "The fact that there are inputs is always the case in a process like this, but the only edits made by anyone here at the White House were stylistic and nonsubstantive. They corrected the description of the building or the facility in Benghazi from consulate to diplomatic facility and the like. And ultimately, this all has been discussed and reviewed and provided in enormous levels of detail by the administration to Congressional investigators, and the attempt to politicize the talking points, again, is part of an effort to, you know, chase after what isn't the substance here."

UPDATE: A source familiar with the White House emails on the Benghazi talking point revisions say that State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland was raising two concerns about the CIA's first version of talking points, which were going to be sent to Congress: 1) The talking points went further than what she was allowed to say about the attack during her state department briefings; and, 2) she believed the CIA was attempting to exonerate itself at the State Department's expense by suggesting CIA warnings about the security situation were ignored.

In one email, Nuland asked, why are we suggest Congress "start making assertions to the media [about the al Qaeda connection] that we ourselves are not making because we don't want to prejudice the investigation?"

One other point: The significant edits - deleting references to al Qaeda and the CIA's warnings - came after a White House meeting on the Saturday before Ambassador Susan Rice appeared on five Sunday shows. Nuland, a 30-year foreign service veteran who has served under Democratic and Republican Secretaries of State, was not at that meeting and played no direct role in preparing Rice for her interviews.

[heckofajobbrownie]

Steven Hayes had this story up a couple days ago. ABC is just adding some new emails.

 

But this backs up what the White House has been saying and what we've been saying in here. I don't think there's anything new in this either. We knew this was an interagency process that made a decision to scrub the references to the terror groups because they thought it would impede the investigation, and that's what this shows. There's a little CYA and bureaucratic jostling here - the CIA trying to cover their ass at the expense of State and State trying to cover their ass at the expense of the CIA - but that's low grade stuff.

 

What would constitute more of an issue is if you've got details of the White House pushing these edits about terrorism rather than the intelligence community. That would be something, because it would mean that the White House was creating a narrative for political purposes.

 

But that's not what they have, try as they might. And unless Petraeus was covering for the White House - and why would he? - there's no evidence that this effort started in the West Wing for political purposes. It was started in the intelligence and law enforcement agencies for reasons concerning the investigation.

 

What's more, what does this story tell us? That the intelligence at the time is that the video had something to do with it, and the attacks grew out of those protests. It's the first thing they say. That's obviously what they thought at the time, and yet here we are demanding to know why anyone would say such a thing because it was so obviously untrue!

 

Except that's what they thought at the time.

[Westside Steve]

So four pages of commentary later you finally admit that Susan Rice told an intentionally bogus story. Great.

Baby steps.

WSS

[heckofajobbrownie]

I honestly don't get why you keep coming back to that. Everyone knows the talking points ended up being wrong. That's not the point anyone is discussing.

 

Nor did she tell a bogus story. She told the one they believed at the time.

[heckofajobbrownie]

Karl Rove's American Crossroads group released a new ad attacking former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for her handling of the attack at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya.

[Westside Steve]

oh well, one step forward two steps back.

 

so if that was the truth I guess the State Department and the CIA had no reasin to cover their asses?

WSS

[heckofajobbrownie]

That's not what they're covering their asses about. Read the story.

[Dste Ace]

Unfortunately, THE important question in this entire affair is being lost in the steaming pile of partisan political bullshit that is Washington, D.C.

 

The "talking points" debate that is now going on in the hearings on whether is was over a video or was it terrorism or was it because someone was pissed off because they stepped in dog shit is irrelevant. The people are dead. Dead is dead. The Obama administration royally fucked up by not simply coming out and saying who was responsible for the attacks in the first place. Stupid, really. Did they think that the truth would not eventually come out?

 

As to why didn't they originally just tell the truth, I think it comes down to one simple answer from time immemorial: Politics.

Obama, like John Boener, like Mitch McConnell, like Harry Reid, like Nancy Pelosi, et al, care about one thing and one thing only: getting reelected.

Nothing else matters. Obama was trying to get reelected and the truth of the attack took away from the narrative that he got bin Laden, that al-Queda

is in its death throes, etc.

 

The side narrative of Special Forces being angry because they weren't allowed to go in and save the day (the Stand Down Order!!!) is a red herring.

Leon Panetta has already testified that the only available resources would have taken 9 hours to get to Benghazi.

 

The important question (at least to me) that is being ignored, or at best, tap danced around, is why was there not protection already in place?

Chris Stevens told his superiors at the State Dept. that security was sorely lacking and that the situation on the ground in Benghazi was very dangerous. Why wasn't something done to rectify the situation right then? Republicans say that it's because Obama is a Muslim and is protecting the terrorists. Democrats say it's because Republicans cut $100 million from the budget and they couldn't afford it. If we weren't protecting our diplomats because we didn't have the money, then why the fuck were they there in the first place?

 

Democrats who are saying that Republicans are trying to make political hay out of a tragedy conveniently forget their response to the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut in '83. The day after that attack Democrats were (rightly) demanding to know why the rules of engagement required the Marines standing guard at the check point to not have magazines in their M-16's. Reagans response was to invade Grenada.

 

We need to focus on the legitimate questions and cut out the juvenile Republican-Democrat "you suck", no, "YOU suck" bullshit.

 

It boils down to what our role is going to be in the Middle East. Yes, the Shah, Sadaam, Khadaffi, Asaad were/are brutal dictators who tortured their own people, used chemical weapons on their enemies, etc. On the other hand, the rebels, who people like John McCain are constantly saying we need to be supporting, are a bunch of wild-eyed religious fanatics who will be happy to take our weapons to overthrow the dictator-of-the-day and then turn our own weapons on us because we're infidels and non-believers in the one true religion..

 

So, who's it gonna be? Pick your poison.

 

I hold Republicans and Democrats in equal contempt. Rand Paul doesn't impress me either. Our elected "leaders" are sorely failing us.

[clebro]

Now he has to point out it was an "organized" attack? I can't keep up with all of the made up rules you have for discussing terrorist attacks.

 

As for, "I'm criticizing them for telling Rice to tell everyone a video was to blame when they didn't know that for sure."

 

But that's not what happened. So stop doing that. They were giving their best sense of the information at the time. No one knew anything for sure. They hadn't completed the investigation yet. Nor did Rice definitively say how the attack occurred. You think they could have settled it by talking to the right people more. Maybe so. I still don't know which semantic detail has you so upset, or why you think it's such a big deal that we didn't know the exact details for another few days.

The initial CIA draft of the talking points specifically named the Al Queda group responsible and mentioned that the CIA warned of a possible attack. These correct talking points were rewritten 12 times and Rice read the final version that left out all mention of the CIA's warnings and the mention of the Al Queda group. So much for "best sense of information at the time". Like I said before, they ignored the Al Queda evidence in favor of pushing a Youtube video narrative.

 

It's the full story that was posted above. The first 3 paragraphs refute everything you have been saying.

 

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/exclusive-benghazi-talking-points-underwent-12-revisions-scrubbed-of-terror-references/

 

And if you are really having trouble figuring out why I distinguished a planned out attack from a spontaneous riot by saying it was "organized" then it's not that you are wearing liberal tinted glasses, it's that you don't understand how the English language works.

[clebro]

Dste Ace: Can I interest you in becoming an independent who favors libertarianism philosophy?

[The Cysko Kid]

Unfortunately, THE important question in this entire affair is being lost in the steaming pile of partisan political bullshit that is Washington, D.C.

 

The "talking points" debate that is now going on in the hearings on whether is was over a video or was it terrorism or was it because someone was pissed off because they stepped in dog shit is irrelevant. The people are dead. Dead is dead. The Obama administration royally fucked up by not simply coming out and saying who was responsible for the attacks in the first place. Stupid, really. Did they think that the truth would not eventually come out?

 

As to why didn't they originally just tell the truth, I think it comes down to one simple answer from time immemorial: Politics.

Obama, like John Boener, like Mitch McConnell, like Harry Reid, like Nancy Pelosi, et al, care about one thing and one thing only: getting reelected.

Nothing else matters. Obama was trying to get reelected and the truth of the attack took away from the narrative that he got bin Laden, that al-Queda

is in its death throes, etc.

 

The side narrative of Special Forces being angry because they weren't allowed to go in and save the day (the Stand Down Order!!!) is a red herring.

Leon Panetta has already testified that the only available resources would have taken 9 hours to get to Benghazi.

 

The important question (at least to me) that is being ignored, or at best, tap danced around, is why was there not protection already in place?

Chris Stevens told his superiors at the State Dept. that security was sorely lacking and that the situation on the ground in Benghazi was very dangerous. Why wasn't something done to rectify the situation right then? Republicans say that it's because Obama is a Muslim and is protecting the terrorists. Democrats say it's because Republicans cut $100 million from the budget and they couldn't afford it. If we weren't protecting our diplomats because we didn't have the money, then why the fuck were they there in the first place?

 

Democrats who are saying that Republicans are trying to make political hay out of a tragedy conveniently forget their response to the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut in '83. The day after that attack Democrats were (rightly) demanding to know why the rules of engagement required the Marines standing guard at the check point to not have magazines in their M-16's. Reagans response was to invade Grenada.

 

We need to focus on the legitimate questions and cut out the juvenile Republican-Democrat "you suck", no, "YOU suck" bullshit.

 

It boils down to what our role is going to be in the Middle East. Yes, the Shah, Sadaam, Khadaffi, Asaad were/are brutal dictators who tortured their own people, used chemical weapons on their enemies, etc. On the other hand, the rebels, who people like John McCain are constantly saying we need to be supporting, are a bunch of wild-eyed religious fanatics who will be happy to take our weapons to overthrow the dictator-of-the-day and then turn our own weapons on us because we're infidels and non-believers in the one true religion..

 

So, who's it gonna be? Pick your poison.

 

I hold Republicans and Democrats in equal contempt. Rand Paul doesn't impress me either. Our elected "leaders" are sorely failing us.

Couldn't agree more. Its hard to identify with either party right now. For some time, actually, but what's the alternative? An independent has absolutely no shot at winning an election, and neither side is willing to concede that, yes, they do suck. But both parties do.

 

As far as the other thing goes, I personally side with the dictators over there. Their society sucks you need a guy with an iron fist to maintain a hold on things. Otherwise that society immediately breaks out onto medieval anarchy and the heads roll.

[heckofajobbrownie]

The initial CIA draft of the talking points specifically named the Al Queda group responsible and mentioned that the CIA warned of a possible attack. These correct talking points were rewritten 12 times and Rice read the final version that left out all mention of the CIA's warnings and the mention of the Al Queda group. So much for "best sense of information at the time". Like I said before, they ignored the Al Queda evidence in favor of pushing a Youtube video narrative.

 

It's the full story that was posted above. The first 3 paragraphs refute everything you have been saying.

 

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/exclusive-benghazi-talking-points-underwent-12-revisions-scrubbed-of-terror-references/

 

And if you are really having trouble figuring out why I distinguished a planned out attack from a spontaneous riot by saying it was "organized" then it's not that you are wearing liberal tinted glasses, it's that you don't understand how the English language works.

 

No, no, and no. Again, you're breezing over the explanations in favor of your theory. Why did they take the mentions of the groups out? We know this from Petraeus. It's also in this story. That's not "ignoring" so they can push a "narrative" - that's doing exactly what the intelligence agencies asked them to do. That's why they were taken out in the final draft, not so they could push a narrative.

 

Additionally, why did they go out and suggest that the attack was opportunistic and grew out of the video protests? Because that's also what they told them to say. It's right at the top of the draft.

 

You keep missing the obvious. When you get booked on these Sunday shows in a situation like this you go to the agencies and you ask them to put together their best available info. That's what happened here - the agencies got together and hammered out the talking points. Then she went on the Sunday shows and said them. That information turned out to be inaccurate.

 

What part of that is troubling for you?

 

What was to be gained be pushing the "narrative" you believe they pushed?

[clebro]

 

No, no, and no. Again, you're breezing over the explanations in favor of your theory. Why did they take the mentions of the groups out? We know this from Petraeus. It's also in this story. That's not "ignoring" so they can push a "narrative" - that's doing exactly what the intelligence agencies asked them to do. That's why they were taken out in the final draft, not so they could push a narrative.

 

Additionally, why did they go out and suggest that the attack was opportunistic and grew out of the video protests? Because that's also what they told them to say. It's right at the top of the draft.

 

You keep missing the obvious. When you get booked on these Sunday shows in a situation like this you go to the agencies and you ask them to put together their best available info. That's what happened here - the agencies got together and hammered out the talking points. Then she went on the Sunday shows and said them. That information turned out to be inaccurate.

 

What part of that is troubling for you?

 

What was to be gained be pushing the "narrative" you believe they pushed?

"When it became clear last fall that the CIA’s now discredited Benghazi talking points were flawed, the White House said repeatedly the documents were put together almost entirely by the intelligence community, but White House documents reviewed by Congress suggest a different story."

 

It was the State Department that ordered the all mentions of the terror group to be removed. The CIA wanted them there, hence why they wrote about it. You are confusing the CIA and the State Department.

 

The CIA wanted the best information put out on the Sunday shows, the State Department cut that part out. They didn't get together and work it out. The CIA wrote down everything they knew and the State Department deleted what didn't fit the video narrative.

 

 

 

"In an email to officials at the White House and the intelligence agencies, State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland took issue with including that information because it “could be abused by members [of Congress] to beat up the State Department for not paying attention to warnings, so why would we want to feed that either? Concerned …”

 

The paragraph was entirely deleted.

 

Like the final version used by Ambassador Rice on the Sunday shows, the CIA’s first drafts said the attack appeared to have been “spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo” but the CIA version went on to say, “That being said, we do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al-Qa’ida participated in the attack.” The draft went on to specifically name the al Qaeda-affiliated group named Ansar al-Sharia."

 

The CIA left out nothing. The State Department left out anything they disputed it was from the video.

[Dste Ace]

Dste Ace: Can I interest you in becoming an independent who favors libertarianism philosophy?

 

I'm registered Democrat because you have to be if you want to vote in a primary in WV. Most politicians here are registered Democrat even though they are really Republicans.

 

My political views are a bastardized version of Republican, Democrat, and Libertarian.

 

I'm conservative on abortion--not for it. Liberal on birth control--don't understand Republicans who are militantly anti-abortion but at the same time their heads explode if you suggest sex education and birth control for teenagers. Libertarian as to the gov't staying out of my personal life--and that includes the bedroom. What consenting adults do behind closed doors with their own farm animals is their own business.

 

Couldn't agree more. Its hard to identify with either party right now. For some time, actually, but what's the alternative? An independent has absolutely no shot at winning an election, and neither side is willing to concede that, yes, they do suck. But both parties do.

 

As far as the other thing goes, I personally side with the dictators over there. Their society sucks you need a guy with an iron fist to maintain a hold on things. Otherwise that society immediately breaks out onto medieval anarchy and the heads roll.

 

I'm with you on the dictators. Yeah, the Shah was a real prick whose secret police would (literally) shove broken bottles up peoples asses. Sadaam and his sons enjoyed raping women in front of their husbands and forcing sons to rape their mothers. On the other hand you didn't have to worry about crazy motherfuckers detonating car bombs and/or themselves and killing innocent people in the name of Allah.

[heckofajobbrownie]

"When it became clear last fall that the CIA’s now discredited Benghazi talking points were flawed, the White House said repeatedly the documents were put together almost entirely by the intelligence community, but White House documents reviewed by Congress suggest a different story."

 

It was the State Department that ordered the all mentions of the terror group to be removed. The CIA wanted them there, hence why they wrote about it. You are confusing the CIA and the State Department.

 

The CIA wanted the best information put out on the Sunday shows, the State Department cut that part out. They didn't get together and work it out. The CIA wrote down everything they knew and the State Department deleted what didn't fit the video narrative.

 

 

 

"In an email to officials at the White House and the intelligence agencies, State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland took issue with including that information because it “could be abused by members [of Congress] to beat up the State Department for not paying attention to warnings, so why would we want to feed that either? Concerned …”

 

The paragraph was entirely deleted.

 

Like the final version used by Ambassador Rice on the Sunday shows, the CIA’s first drafts said the attack appeared to have been “spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo” but the CIA version went on to say, “That being said, we do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al-Qa’ida participated in the attack.” The draft went on to specifically name the al Qaeda-affiliated group named Ansar al-Sharia."

 

The CIA left out nothing. The State Department left out anything they disputed it was from the video.

 

Once again, you're ignoring Petraeus in favor of the theory you prefer. You're also ignoring the other part of this story which mentions the reasons they were taken out - so as not to interfere with the investigation.

 

Until you produce someone like Petraeus who says there was no reason but politics to change these talking points you don't have anything. But that's going to be hard to do since Petraeus is already on record saying the reason these mentions were left out was to assist the investigation.

 

Other than that, you've got nothing more than the usual interagency squabbling and an embarrassed press secretary.

[clebro]

 

Once again, you're ignoring Petraeus in favor of the theory you prefer. You're also ignoring the other part of this story which mentions the reasons they were taken out - so as not to interfere with the investigation.

 

Until you produce someone like Petraeus who says there was no reason but politics to change these talking points you don't have anything. But that's going to be hard to do since Petraeus is already on record saying the reason these mentions were left out was to assist the investigation.

 

Other than that, you've got nothing more than the usual interagency squabbling and an embarrassed press secretary.

 

 

Once again, you're ignoring Petraeus in favor of the theory you prefer. You're also ignoring the other part of this story which mentions the reasons they were taken out - so as not to interfere with the investigation.

 

Until you produce someone like Petraeus who says there was no reason but politics to change these talking points you don't have anything. But that's going to be hard to do since Petraeus is already on record saying the reason these mentions were left out was to assist the investigation.

 

Other than that, you've got nothing more than the usual interagency squabbling and an embarrassed press secretary.

There was no reason to eliminate everything about it being a terrorist attack. If they really just wanted to act dumb for the terrorists who attacked, they would have said it could have been the protestors, it could have been a militant operation by terrorists, but ultimately that's all we have at this time. Instead they completely deleted everything about Al Queda and claimed that they knew the protestors were responsible. They didn't decline to go into basic details in order to protect the investigation. The went deep into details that weren't true. There's a huge difference.

 

Nuland's email stating that evidence should be hidden to protect the State Department seems to be pure politics. And Jay Carney admitted the 12 drafts were changed under direction of the State Department. The CIA was happy with their first draft. The State Department is when the push to start removing details began.

[calfoxwc]

Actually, NO. Petraeus was shocked at seeing that the WH and State Dept deleted references to terrorism.

The intel version was BLUNT about the reasons being terrorism. The State Dept, and obviously, Obamao, authorized

politically friendly changes, and sent those friendly changes to Rice. And, Obamao tried to fly with them on Letterman.

 

It was to protect the WH and State Dept from accountability. The State dept memo even admitted it.

Bigtime scandal now. They were lying to save their butts. Accountability is a must, to prevent this from happening again,

and to hold liars and those responsible for denying those at Benghazi a rescue. And yes, rescue was available. Obamao and Clinton

did it out of political expediency.

 

Obamao's Watergate.

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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/exclusive-benghazi-talking-points-underwent-12-revisions-scrubbed-of-terror-references/

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/benghazi-scandal-grows_722032.html

CIA director David Petraeus was surprised when he read the freshly rewritten talking points an aide had emailed him in the early afternoon of Saturday, September 15. One day earlier, analysts with the CIA’s Office of Terrorism Analysis had drafted a set of unclassified talking points policymakers could use to discuss the attacks in Benghazi, Libya. But this new version​—​produced with input from senior Obama administration policymakers​—​was a shadow of the original.

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Even the BBC editor admits it's a blow up scandal now.

 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/10/formerly-skeptical-bbc-editor-changes-tune-benghazi-is-now-very-serious-and-heads-will-roll/

[heckofajobbrownie]

 

Nuland's email stating that evidence should be hidden to protect the State Department seems to be pure politics. And Jay Carney admitted the 12 drafts were changed under direction of the State Department. The CIA was happy with their first draft. The State Department is when the push to start removing details began.

 

Nuland is a career State official who served as deputy foreign policy advisor under Dick Cheney and is married to Robert Kagan. Do you know who Robert Kagan is? He co-founded the Project For a New American Century. He's one of the original neo-cons. If she's playing politics, she must some sort of double agent worthy of Hollywood.

 

She's not playing politics. She's playing bureaucratic infighting. And if you think this is the first time this has ever happened you haven't spent a day in Washington, or ever read a newspaper.

 

As for this: "If they really just wanted to act dumb for the terrorists who attacked, they would have said it could have been the protestors, it could have been a militant operation by terrorists, but ultimately that's all we have at this time."

 

....Wha?? That's pretty much exactly what they said!

 

 

MS. RICE: So we’ll want to see the results of that [FBI] investigation to draw any definitive conclusions. But based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy– –sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that– in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent.

BOB SCHIEFFER: But you do not agree with him that this was something that had been plotted out several months ago?

MS. RICE: We do not– we do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.

MR. SCHIEFFER: Do you agree or disagree with [the previous guest, the president of Libya’s general national congress] that al Qaeda had some part in this?

MS. RICE: Well, we’ll have to find out that out. I mean I think it’s clear that there were extremist elements that joined in and escalated the violence. Whether they were al Qaeda affiliates, whether they were Libyan-based extremists or al Qaeda itself I think is one of the things we’ll have to determine.

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"joined in" ???

 

There were no protests about the video outside of Benghazi.

 

And, they had rocket launchers, machine guns.... well armed.

 

That is pre-planned.

 

Coverup. Whitewash. Damage Control. Protecting the "success" image of this

president's regime.

 

I mean, seriously. Clinton has all the reason in the world to cover up the word "terrorism" on her and Obamao's watch -

she is protecting her chances of running for president herself.

 

There are even more "whistleblowers" who want to testify.

 

And Obamao just went to Mexico, and blamed American guns for the violence there, AFTER the "Fast and Furious" scandal?

 

And they are scandals. They are not driven by the media, that's a major diminishing factor. Another is misdirection and cover-up.

 

But that boat is sinking despite the patches.