YtownBrownsBacker Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Brown's are picking at #5 and Crabtree is still on the board. Most draft analysts say he may be the best player in the draft. He may be one of the few immediate impact players on the board. By impact, I mean a guy that can impact the number or W's and L's a team ends with. Larry Fitzgerald type impact player. A player with great character and all the tools. He's not a need for the Browns, who definately need defense, but he is a game changer. Can you afford to pass on him? Receivers like this (great talent and small egos) don't come along very often and Edwards certainly hasn't shown he is a #1. Also, I can very easily see Edwards walking after this contract is up. Curry is a solid LB and should be a very good fit. But, can you pass on a star for solid? IMO, you take Crabtree. He is a definate #1 receiver and Edwards hasn't shown he can be that dependable #1 guy. Crabtree would also make Edwards a better receiver (he doesn't want to be regarded as a #2) and better option because he wouldn't get doubled all the time. How dynamic for Quinn...... Crabtree, Edwards and JJ or Cribbs in the slot and Winslow or Rucker at TE. Also gives you some trade options without hurting the offense. As far as defense, how about a guy like Barton and another FA to help solidify that unit. Some new blood and a new scheme can make that unit decent, not great. Picking Curry won't make it great either. IMO, when the best player in the draft is there (need or not) you got to take him. You have Free Agency and also other picks in the draft for needs. You have some trade options to get additional picks also. I see Fitzgerald and Boldin and slobber on myself thinking what Crabtree and Edwards would do to defenses. When I imagine Curry on defense I don't see that a team would have to game plan for him. No disrespect, Curry should be a very solid ILB in the 3-4. But..................................Crabtree, wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I'm kinda with you, YTown. Nobody else, however, cared for my Plea for Crabtree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I'm kinda with you, YTown. Nobody else, however, cared for my Plea for Crabtree. I think it's a real good idea too, I just don't get into the draft until about month before. From what I have seen of Crabtree though, I don't know how you pass on him. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solon16 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I believe with all my heart BE isn't coming back after 09 season....no chance IMO. So No you can't pass him up....but BE is playing for his future contract next year and will have a great year...cause he is about the money and endorsements, imo. I believe crabtree will be gone b4 we pick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I'm not too sure I believe Braylon will walk, though I do believe it definitely depends on the team's performance this season. The better the team as a unit plays, the more games we win, the happier BE is. Shouldn't be that way, but it is what it is. This, I do agree with though. I believe crabtree will be gone b4 we pick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geech Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I would find it very, very hard to pass up on Crabtree. I don't agree with those who say that WR is not a need. How reliable is Stallworth? Braylon "Buk Buk B'Gawk" Edwards is entering the last year of his rookie deal (5 years, $40 million). How reliable is he to stop dropping balls and what's he gonna cost to keep around if Mangini decides to go that route? If Bray is too chicken shit to lay himself out for the Browns, why should Lerner lay out $8m per year for Bray to cluck all over the field? I say trade Bray to Seattle for their 2009 3rd (or 2nd) rounder and 2010 1st rounder...get something for him while you still can. -Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Al, I would LOVE to trade BE to SEA for a 1 and a 2, but why would they do that with Crabtree sitting right there for them to take this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Just one more reason I'm hoping the Cards win the Super Bowl. If Larry Fitz has a big game (he'll have to for a W) Crabtree is no longer on the board at 5, thanks to the copycat league. We wont have to worry about it. But, tough call indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownB499 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Can anyone remember the last time we picked "Best Player Available" ? cause I honestly can't I mean we've F'd up our # 1 so many times that going "BPA" may make the most sense regardless of need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geech Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Al, I would LOVE to trade BE to SEA for a 1 and a 2, but why would they do that with Crabtree sitting right there for them to take this year? Yea, that's a very good question and I don't think I can really answer that except to say that Crabtree has a bigger learning curve to go through. Bray is still young, yet an experienced veteran. It would take some naivete on Seattle's part to go for it. They gave up a 1st to NE for Branch a few years ago, so it's hard to see that happening. Even if we can't trade BE, I would still find it very, very hard to pass up Crabtree if he's there at #5. -Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solon16 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Personally I straight up Trade edwards for Anquan Bolden cause he isn't going to be back with Cards after 09' either....pay Boldin what you'd pay edwards and get rid of the michigan whinny puossy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furnier Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Can anyone remember the last time we picked "Best Player Available" ? cause I honestly can't I mean we've F'd up our # 1 so many times that going "BPA" may make the most sense regardless of need. I kinda felt like the Joe Thomas pick was a great combo of Best Player Available coupled with a glaring need. I was ecstatic with that pick and I'm still happy with it. Here's hoping we do at least that well with our Number 5 in April. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 Even if we can't trade BE, I would still find it very, very hard to pass up Crabtree if he's there at #5. I like Curry, I don't hate guys like Orakpo, Brown and even Maualuga, but Crabtree might be the highest impact player of any of the guys in this draft, quarterbacks included. But like Leg said, and we all suspect, he will go to SEA at 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geech Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 ...there are more athletes who can run and catch than there are openings. I don't know, Shep... Why are the Browns always selecting the guys who can run but can't catch? From Dennis Northcutt to Andre Davis to Quincy Morgan. The only guy that could catch was Kevin Johnson, but he couldn't run... -Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 I'd probably wait until round two and add a free agent, too. And herein lies the problem with picking in the top 5. Too many fcuking choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 IMO...the two best non qb players in this draft are Crabtree and Andre Smith...if either one falls to our slot, we need to be ready to select him or answer the phones, because they will be ringing. You would be stupid to not select them or not trade down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 Personally I straight up Trade edwards for Anquan Bolden I agree. Then we should trade DA for Peyton Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownB499 Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 A great offensive line,especially in our division can give average skill players a chance to be above average. Paul Brown always believed you go for the home run hitter,but lately we can't seem to find one that can bat above the Mendoza. Also keep this in mind,who ever we draft at #5 will more than likely hold out,be late for camp,pi$$off the new coach and have to play catch up all preseason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JewDago Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 would crabtree improve our offense? yes, without a doubt. the question we have to ask is what makes crabtree a great receiver. is it his speed? is he incredibly physical? is it his size? is he shifty, agile, hard to contain? leaping ability? ability to adjust to the ball and catch it no matter where it's thrown? does he run great routes? a true number one receiver needs to run superior routes, be able to adjust to the ball and catch it no matter where it's thrown, and have at least one of the other qualities; he needs to either be a great leaper, have great size, be ridiculously physical, have great size, be shifty and hard to contain or have truly elite speed. i haven't watched crabtree play a lot, so i'm looking for some input. what makes him great? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtownBrownsBacker Posted January 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 would crabtree improve our offense? yes, without a doubt. the question we have to ask is what makes crabtree a great receiver. is it his speed? is he incredibly physical? is it his size? is he shifty, agile, hard to contain? leaping ability? ability to adjust to the ball and catch it no matter where it's thrown? does he run great routes? a true number one receiver needs to run superior routes, be able to adjust to the ball and catch it no matter where it's thrown, and have at least one of the other qualities; he needs to either be a great leaper, have great size, be ridiculously physical, have great size, be shifty and hard to contain or have truly elite speed. i haven't watched crabtree play a lot, so i'm looking for some input. what makes him great? Well, Crabtree does all the above. Great route runner, speed, has great size and is very physical. Also, great hands and something like a 41" vertical leep. Best of all, he has great character and is a very grounded individual. A WR without a big ego, almost unthinkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtownBrownsBacker Posted January 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 I watch teams like the Steelers and I see them pick the best player available, not for need. They always seem to be picking the highest rated player on their board. Noted that these teams aren't usually picking in the top 10, but they don't usually pick for need. I reason I started this thread is because NFL teams are torn on this concept. I believe this is a league with a salary cap, free agency and teams have a good amount of turnover every year. IMO, I think you can take the best player available and can suppliment position needs through FA. Also once you get past the first round where their may be super impact type players, then you have a combination of best player available with an eye toward needs. If you need a LB and in the second round your high person on the board is a DT but two people away is a solid LB and they grade out about the same, then you take the LB. Your opinions are very insightful because I have a problem passing on a guy that is rated way higher then the next guy on my board because of a need. If a guy like Ray Lewis in on the board with Crabtree and they are rated very close to each other, then I take the need, but I just don't think there is a defensive player who rates close to Crabtree. BTW, Seattle has greater needs then a WR. Are they going to pick for greatest need or best player available? Personally I believe we are in the position we are in because we have historically drafted for need and passed on the best players available. One word..................Wimbley and look at what we passed on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sony Reed Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 Brown's are picking at #5 and Crabtree is still on the board. Most draft analysts say he may be the best player in the draft. He may be one of the few immediate impact players on the board. By impact, I mean a guy that can impact the number or W's and L's a team ends with. Larry Fitzgerald type impact player. A player with great character and all the tools. He's not a need for the Browns, who definately need defense, but he is a game changer. Can you afford to pass on him? Receivers like this (great talent and small egos) don't come along very often and Edwards certainly hasn't shown he is a #1. Also, I can very easily see Edwards walking after this contract is up. Curry is a solid LB and should be a very good fit. But, can you pass on a star for solid? IMO, you take Crabtree. He is a definate #1 receiver and Edwards hasn't shown he can be that dependable #1 guy. Crabtree would also make Edwards a better receiver (he doesn't want to be regarded as a #2) and better option because he wouldn't get doubled all the time. How dynamic for Quinn...... Crabtree, Edwards and JJ or Cribbs in the slot and Winslow or Rucker at TE. Also gives you some trade options without hurting the offense. As far as defense, how about a guy like Barton and another FA to help solidify that unit. Some new blood and a new scheme can make that unit decent, not great. Picking Curry won't make it great either. IMO, when the best player in the draft is there (need or not) you got to take him. You have Free Agency and also other picks in the draft for needs. You have some trade options to get additional picks also. I see Fitzgerald and Boldin and slobber on myself thinking what Crabtree and Edwards would do to defenses. When I imagine Curry on defense I don't see that a team would have to game plan for him. No disrespect, Curry should be a very solid ILB in the 3-4. But..................................Crabtree, wow. Great Post Y-town, we agree on something You are correct that Crabtree IMO will be a special player (Great) and if I am drafting I take a player like Crabtree with a chance to be great over a guy like Curry who will be a solid pro IMO but not a game changing type player which is what we need, and the only guys I see in this draft that are game changing players are Crabtree, Harvin and Maclin and # 5 is too early to take Maclin or Harvin You are 100% correct what you say about Curry who I believe will be a good solid player but not a great player and really how much better are we going to improve on defense with just adding Curry when we require at least 2 pass rushers from the outside linebacker positions. Barton I feel is too slow though he is solid and a run stuffer, he might be a good choice to use as a 1st-2nd down linebacker, but I believe this team needs to add speed on defense as we are a very slow defense at LB and DB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownB499 Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 a true number one receiver needs to run superior routes, be able to adjust to the ball and catch it no matter where it's thrown, and have at least one of the other qualities; he needs to either be a great leaper, have great size, be ridiculously physical, have great size, be shifty and hard to contain or have truly elite speed. i haven't watched crabtree play a lot, so i'm looking for some input. what makes him great? Isn't this the exact same description the "experts "use to describe Calvin Johnson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 Crabtree would be a great addition we need a burner who can stretch the field Height: 6-3 | Weight: 214 | 40-Time: 4.46 Vertical Jump 34" Rated #1 out of 335 wide receivers after watching that hilight film Im sold. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ySmg1f8ZSM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 Crabtree is good and these type of guys dont come around in the draft that often. Braylon Edwards was a 1st rounder and he is only above average. But if you add Crabtree in there and the aspect of BE may leave thru FA when his contract is up then you have his replacement. But just think if you have a Crabtree along with BE & K2 Now that is a threat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squintz Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 D-E-F-E-N-S-E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 defense is good but getting the ball into the endzone is better. do we need to remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy.E.Munson Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 He is the type of layer that makes me feel like this, " I dont think wr is our weekest point or our biggest need...... But ill be damned if he doesn't make our Offence look very VERY VERY interesting..." K2 BE MC and JH with BQ throwing the rock..... shits like clevage... I cant turn away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaygroundLegend Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 I also believe that Braylon Might Walk after his contract is up, but we have some amazing receiver draft classes coming up in the next few years. There will be players better than crabtree in the next few drafts, believe me, especially guys like this.... Dez Bryant They dont make them any Bigger, and any Faster than this guys. If he was entering this year he'd be top 5. Look at those hands as well! Theres your braylon replacement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 Bryant is another great one, but I hope that we dont draft in the top 5 but near the bottom of the first round the next couple of years. I want to Win! not keep losing to be able to get this guy or that guy we can leave that shit for Detroit and Cincy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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