Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Three successive tweets from MKC:@MaryKayCabot: #browns Hardesty back in team drills today.@MaryKayCabot: #browns Hardesty looks like he hurt his thumb catching the ball over his head on a direct snap. First day back in team drills.@MaryKayCabot: #browns trainers heavily taping hardesty's right hand/ thumb prob w/ ice. so unfortunate. Hardesty can't catch a break.Just let the guy go already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Montario may need to find a new profession, like this one: To paraphrase Caddyshack: See the Brittle, Be the Brittle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuwoohio Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Three successive tweets from MKC: @MaryKayCabot: #browns Hardesty back in team drills today. @MaryKayCabot: #browns Hardesty looks like he hurt his thumb catching the ball over his head on a direct snap. First day back in team drills. @MaryKayCabot: #browns trainers heavily taping hardesty's right hand/ thumb prob w/ ice. so unfortunate. Hardesty can't catch a break. Just let the guy go already. Always loved his potential, but fumbling and injuries, along with some good potential replacements in camp adds up to one thing. CUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erie Dawg Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Fuck him he did nothing for this team other than pedal a bike and collect a check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 he did nothing for this team other than pedal a bike and collect a check. "Can't help the club when you sit in the tub." Between Dion Lewis and a healthy Brandon Jackson, Hardly plays Hardesty became mighty expendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erie Dawg Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 "Can't help the club when you sit in the tub." Between Dion Lewis and a healthy Brandon Jackson, Hardly plays Hardesty became mighty expendable. If the SOB could stay healthy we could get something for him... someone's always looking hard for a back when their's goes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 See ya. Another wasted Mangini pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadNewsBrowns Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Hardesty was a Heckert pick they even traded up for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Like the guy enough, but you gotta make the move. He will probably go to another team and make a Pro Bowl. Oh well, Lewis looks like he can be pretty explosive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Lewis will be the change of pace back, that is a lock. Oby will make the roster because ... well, because he's the starting fullback. So it comes down to BJ or Hardesty as the third tailback/ special teamer. I'll take Hardesty in that matchup. Not worried that he hurt his thumb today. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowburn Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 He needs to soak his thumb in Olive Oyl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Hardesty was a Heckert pick they even traded up for him. Mangini was here in 2010 when Hardesty was picked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadNewsBrowns Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 True, but it was Mangini's second year, it was after H & H came in, Heckert made the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadNewsBrowns Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Lewis will be the change of pace back, that is a lock. Oby will make the roster because ... well, because he's the starting fullback. So it comes down to BJ or Hardesty as the third tailback/ special teamer. I'll take Hardesty in that matchup. Not worried that he hurt his thumb today. Zombo Given a fair shot Hardesty might win the job but if he doesn't see any action and his history of drops vs Jackson being a decent receiver I don't see them keeping him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 what he jammed his thumb and all of a sudden we should cut him? GTFO. i guess all you office workers who get a paper cut should get fired or get too close to the frier grease at mcdonalds get let go. fuck that. it's preseason. on his worse day he's better than 2 other RBs on the squad. trade him? HA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 what he jammed his thumb and all of a sudden we should cut him? GTFO. i guess all you office workers who get a paper cut should get fired or get too close to the frier grease at mcdonalds get let go. fuck that. it's preseason. on his worse day he's better than 2 other RBs on the squad. trade him? HA! On his best day he isn't hurt. The guy has been hurt since he got here. If he can't stay on the field, he is USELESS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 On his best day he isn't hurt. The guy has been hurt since he got here. If he can't stay on the field, he is USELESS yeah ok. go back and look at last year's rushing stats and come back and tell me what you learned. 2nd only to TR with 1/4 of the handoffs TR had and still had a better YPC average. useless? i think jackson had what 8 attempts all year? i know shurmur was a dumbfuck but be for real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 I learned Hardesty can't stay healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 what he jammed his thumb and all of a sudden we should cut him? GTFO. i guess all you office workers who get a paper cut should get fired or get too close to the frier grease at mcdonalds get let go. fuck that. it's preseason. on his worse day he's better than 2 other RBs on the squad. trade him? HA! Because he jammed his thumb and sat out for the rest of practice. Once again, mik proving he doesn't know shit about anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Misconceptions About Preseason Injuries And Montario Hardesty Aug 12th, 2013 at 10:04 pm by Peter SmithBrowns Home » Browns » Misconceptions About Preseason Injuries and Montario Hardesty There seems to be some misconceptions regarding training camp and preseason injuries. Injuries happen, they are unfortunate, and they are frustrating, but the fact guys are hurt and not practicing in training camp and the preseason is not a great indicator that they are going to be cut or make the team. The prime example of this situation could be Montario Hardesty, who many fans and members of the local media are projecting is on the bubble. He might well be but the fact that he is being held out due to a hamstring or now a thumb injury might actually indicate his roster spot is safe and they are trying to save him to be healthy for the season. There are a number of players on this roster, Trent Richardson being the most notable, that have been healthy scratches in practices and even preseason games or have minor injuries that are being held out to get them healthy for the season. It started out with Phil Taylor and Athyba Rubin having extremely minor injuries that held them both out for a couple days. Much like with Richardson’s shin, had they really needed Taylor and Rubin, they could have and would have gone. Having them go out and prove that they can play through pain in practice and the preseason does not make them or the Brownsany better. Being healthy for games that count is the main concern and if they are going to be hurt or play through pain, they are going to do it in the regular season. Taylor and Rubin are hardly the only one either as Desmond Bryant, Leon McFadden, Josh Gordon, Chris Owens, and David Nelson are other examples of guys who have been held out of practice for precautionary measures. If any of these guys were on the bubble to make the team, they would likely be out there to show why they can make the team as they cannot make the team from the sidelines. Owens is in a battle with Buster Skrine for the starting cornerback spot opposite Joe Haden and while he could go out and battle through his currently hurt foot, it would not give the team a great look to help them determine who is the best player for the competition and if he gets further injured in the process, it does them no good. For whatever reason, Hardesty is not receiving the benefit of the doubt in this regard despite the fact he is being treated much the same way as the rest of these players. Dion Lewis had made the most of his reps in practice, which is exactly what the team wants him to do, but his success does not mean Hardest is going to be cut. The fact is the Browns may keep three, maybe even four running backs and Chris Ogbannaya is not going to be one of them. Ogbannaya is going to make the team as a fullback. As a result, the remaining contenders include Richardson and Lewis, who are going to make the team, with Brandon Jackson andMiquel Maysonet as the others fighting for a spot. At this point, unless he really shows something in the remaining preseason games, Maysonet is probably going to be a player they try to put on their practice squad. Jackson is a 27 year old running back who might make the team as he has been effective in opportunities and looked good against the Rams, but if they only keep three backs to keep a second fullback, he seems like he will be the odd man out. Unless he is the next coming of Thomas Jones, this is his seventh year in the league in a position that tends to show almost immediately, so he is what he is at this point. On a team that was dying to find a running back, Jackson was average at best for the Green Bay Packers. Hardesty is a 26 year old running back coming into his fourth year as a pro. It is put up or shut up time for him and no one knows that better than Hardesty. If his roster spot is on the line, Hardesty would likely need to be restrained to keep him off of the field to fight for reps and his roster spot. The fact that they are so content to hold him out seems to suggest they know what he is going to bring and they are happy with it. The fact he gets hurt is incredibly frustrating, but people quickly forget that a slimmed down version was effective for the Browns last year in the few opportunities he had to get the ball. In a running back rotation that never had any rhyme or reason under Pat Shurmur, Hardesty had 65 carries for 271 yards and a 4.2 yard average. Shurmur never seemed to ride the hot hand as there were times when Hardesty would run well for a series and then get taken out, so Shurmur could continue to pound on Richardson’s ribs. Hardesty was a spark who seemed to break a nice run in every game he got carries and a player Shurmur did not use enough last year. For instance, Hardesty had 4 carries for 23 yards against the Dallas Cowboys. That is an average of 5.8 yards per carry and he had a 12 yard run. The following week, he had 2 carries for 14 yards against the Steelers and one of those runs was for 13 yards. The week after that, he had 5 carries for 39 yards including a 19 yard run against Oakland for a 7.8 yard average. The second to last week of the season against Denver, Hardesty had 3 carries for 14 yards and a reception for 7 yards for 5.25 yards per touch. The obvious question is when Richardson was clearly laboring with his ribs, why was Hardesty not getting more touches? When Richardson would struggle because he was so clearly hampered, Shurmur would stick with him and not go to Hardesty, even when he was running well. In games where Hardesty was given the opportunity to get a sustained number of carries, he tended to be effective. There were three games where Hardesty had 10 touches or more: Cincinnati, the second time, Kansas City, and Pittsburgh in the season finale. Against the Bengals, Hardesty was a big spark and helped them win the game. He carried the ball 15 times for 56 yards and his only touchdown on the season including a 14 yard run and had a catch for 9 yards. The average was hardly spectacular, but he was effective. Against the Chiefs, Hardesty had 10 carries for 52 yards and one of those runs was his longest of the season for 25 yards. The final game of the season against the Steelers was a struggle as he had 14 carries for only 37 yards, but did rip off a 16 yard run. It is worth pointing out that Thad Lewis was thequarterback in that game. Nevertheless, that is a putrid average but the point remains the same. Given sustained touches, Hardesty could be effective and give the Browns a nice change of pace from Richardson. In 6 games last year, Hardesty had runs of at least 12 yards, which is just under 10% of his carries for the season. That might not seem great but considering he virtually never had a chance to get into a rhythm, he had to be a microwave type player and hit the ground running. People are quick to point out his drops as he had one particularly bad day with four drops, but catching the ball is not something he is unable to do. He had an ugly day and needs to keep working to make sure it never happens again. The larger concern with Hardesty is actually fumbles. In only 67 touches last year, Hardesty put the ball on the carpet twice. That has to improve significantly if he wants to be a viable weapon in this offense going forward. Hardesty’s injuries and pain are frustrating and the thumb injury he sustained today will not help. It would be nice if every time Richardson is out, Hardesty can make the most of the opportunity and display his talent and why he was a second round pick. With more consistent work, he has the talent to be an effective player but obviously he needs to catch the football and hold onto it when he gets in there. Given the history of Norv Turner and Rob Chudzinski, there are going to be plenty of carries to go around even if they are hoping to get 300 for Richardson. The question is who is going to get those other carries. Lewis may get his share but someone else is probably going to get a good number of them as well. That player seems like it will be Hardesty. And while it may only be an initial depth chart the Browns released, despite nursing a hamstring at the time, Hardesty was still the second running back listed. Everything seems to suggest that the Browns as an organization seem to think Hardesty has something offer this team, whether he plays in the preseason slate or not. While he has not lived up to his draft status and likely never will, he does have talent and he does have something to offer in this offense. As much as some would like him to be released, the likelihood is that Hardesty will be on there in the end and the focus is on getting him healthy and ready to contribute for the season as opposed to making critics feel good in the preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Who thinks Montario plays against Detoilet this Thursday? Going by his track record............... NO CHANCE!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Fuck him he did nothing for this team other than pedal a bike and collect a check. your confusing him with Peyton Hillis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Lewis will be the change of pace back, that is a lock. Oby will make the roster because ... well, because he's the starting fullback. So it comes down to BJ or Hardesty as the third tailback/ special teamer. I'll take Hardesty in that matchup. Not worried that he hurt his thumb today. Zombo You may not be concerned about Hardesty's thumb owie, but Dr Hoorta is. Sure, if it's just a jammed thumb, no big deal. If he tore the thumb ligament, that's surgery, and four weeks in a cast. = you can't carry the ball in that hand, more weeks of rehab to get back your grip. Hey, I'm not trying to ride Montario out of town on a rail. I happen to like him, seems to be a high character guy, and a very effective runner. WHEN HEALTHY. There's the rub- we've seen very little of that to date from him. Remember a guy by the name of Lawyer Tillman? PS if Obi has the starting FB job locked up, Mari-suck can start packing his bags now. That has to be one of Heckert's worst picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Who thinks Montario plays against Detoilet this Thursday? Going by his track record............... NO CHANCE!!!!!!!!!! how about our #3 pick last year, is he playing or sitting out like last week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Can you say: Courtney Brown's baby brother? Sayonara sucker. They may give his job to this Maysonett kid. After all, he is one of Lombardi's guys. Hardesty is not. He may suffer this fate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykd6da5Dhp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Lewis will be the change of pace back, that is a lock. Oby will make the roster because ... well, because he's the starting fullback. So it comes down to BJ or Hardesty as the third tailback/ special teamer. I'll take Hardesty in that matchup. Not worried that he hurt his thumb today. Agree.... Misconceptions About Preseason Injuries And Montario Hardesty Aug 12th, 2013 at 10:04 pm by Peter SmithBrowns In a running back rotation that never had any rhyme or reason under Pat Shurmur, Hardesty had 65 carries for 271 yards and a 4.2 yard average. Shurmur never seemed to ride the hot hand as there were times when Hardesty would run well for a series and then get taken out, so Shurmur could continue to pound on Richardson’s ribs. Hardesty was a spark who seemed to break a nice run in every game he got carries and a player Shurmur did not use enough last year. The obvious question is when Richardson was clearly laboring with his ribs, why was Hardesty not getting more touches? When Richardson would struggle because he was so clearly hampered, Shurmur would stick with him and not go to Hardesty, even when he was running well. In games where Hardesty was given the opportunity to get a sustained number of carries, he tended to be effective. Everything seems to suggest that the Browns as an organization seem to think Hardesty has something offer this team, whether he plays in the preseason slate or not. While he has not lived up to his draft status and likely never will, he does have talent and he does have something to offer in this offense. As much as some would like him to be released, the likelihood is that Hardesty will be on there in the end and the focus is on getting him healthy and ready to contribute for the season as opposed to making critics feel good in the preseason. 1. It's PRESEASON... 2. He was clearly the more effective runner for the 2012 stretch when TR was playing hurt. That Shurmur wasted his season is not Hardesty's fault. Good read.. sound conclusion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 I don't get all the hate either. Hardesty IS the only pure RB on this team other than TRich. Sure, Lewis can make plays in space and Ogby can be versatile, but if you want somebody on the roster to run between the tackles other than Richardson, the only guy we got is Hardesty. Jackson is fighting with Lewis and Ogby for a spot b/c their games are so similar. Bottom line, Montario makes this team and plays great when he needs to... Bunch of overreactors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brnfan16 Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Three successive tweets from MKC: @MaryKayCabot: #browns Hardesty back in team drills today. @MaryKayCabot: #browns Hardesty looks like he hurt his thumb catching the ball over his head on a direct snap. First day back in team drills. @MaryKayCabot: #browns trainers heavily taping hardesty's right hand/ thumb prob w/ ice. so unfortunate. Hardesty can't catch a break. Just let the guy go already. Ive wondered for the past few seasons what is the deal with Hardesty. A average back at best, sometimes can't catch because it hit him in the hands. Try to get something for him if possible and cut the cord. Don' want to deal with another injury riddled season with him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Ive wondered for the past few seasons what is the deal with Hardesty. A average back at best, sometimes can't catch because it hit him in the hands. Try to get something for him if possible and cut the cord. Don' want to deal with another injury riddled season with him... too bad. you will or move on. hardesty = mcfadden = every running back in the league. injury prone. wasn't marshawn lynch injury prone too at one point in his career until he latched on to a good team with good blocking? emmett smith would have done dick on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erie Dawg Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 Ive wondered for the past few seasons what is the deal with Hardesty. A average back at best, sometimes can't catch because it hit him in the hands. Try to get something for him if possible and cut the cord. Don' want to deal with another injury riddled season with him...Personally I think he has the chance to be above avg in this league. Hell I would love for him to be good. But he has missed 10 games in his first two seasons. He has flashes of greatness but its such a small sampling to make a call on.And even the best qbs in the league aren't winning a playoff game in Cleveland on a cold January afternoon, without a good set of backs that can pound you into submission all game long. Another reason its not just a QB, WR, CB league. But any way,Its time to shit or get off the pot for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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