Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 http://factoryofsadness.sportsblog.com/posts/220295/rapid_reaction_cleveland_browns_at.html What a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koalabazooka Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Told you Cundiff would continue to fuck up in the AFC North... or anywhere, for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Told you Cundiff would continue to fuck up in the AFC North... or anywhere, for that matter. Sorry man, you are crazy. A missed 59 yard kick? Cundiff has been solid this year. You don't know the game of football. If you did you wouldn't be BITCHING about a missed 59 yards field goal. attempt. Go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 prater hit for 65 today. of course it's in mile high where i could kick a ball out of the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koalabazooka Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Sorry man, you are crazy. A missed 59 yard kick? Cundiff has been solid this year. You don't know the game of football. If you did you wouldn't be BITCHING about a missed 59 yards field goal. attempt. Go away. First of all, it's been listed as a 57-yd FG: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000294460/Billy-Cundiff-misses-57-yd-field-goal-attempt Secondly, he's already missed 5 FGs this year, including 2 game-losing FGs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koalabazooka Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 prater hit for 65 today. of course it's in mile high where i could kick a ball out of the stadium. Actually, it was 64-yd. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10104268/matt-prater-denver-broncos-sets-nfl-mark-64-yard-field-goal Nevertheless, that's still a new NFL record and the highlight of a boring blowout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 I was at the game. And te kick was into the wind. Browns played their hearts out against an elite team. Unfortunately it wasn't meant to be. I feel bad for the players who really wanted a win. But in another couple of months it will give us a better draft choice - which is more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koalabazooka Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 I was at the game. And te kick was into the wind. Browns played their hearts out against an elite team. Unfortunately it wasn't meant to be. I feel bad for the players who really wanted a win. But in another couple of months it will give us a better draft choice - which is more important. That's the spirit! Sink for Bridgewater Died for Hyde! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted December 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Sorry man, you are crazy. A missed 59 yard kick? Cundiff has been solid this year. You don't know the game of football. If you did you wouldn't be BITCHING about a missed 59 yards field goal. attempt. Go away. Sorry, but you're wrong. Billy has two missed field goals that would have decided the outcome of the game this season alone. Granted, the New England kick was a bad situation, but good kickers make kicks when the game is on the line. Nearly all of the kickers in the league have the leg to kick 60+ yarders in perfect scenarios, but the quality ones are the ones that can do it in pressure situations, off the turf, into the wind, etc. Cundiff has proved on many occasions that he is one of the least clutch kickers in the league. He proved it in Dallas, then proved it in Baltimore, then proved it again in Washington, and has since proved it yet again in Cleveland. A missed 57 yard kick is unfortunate and hardly enough to can a player, but when it comes a week after a missed 53 yarder, and the same player has been released from three separate franchises for critical missed kicks, it becomes hard to shift the blame. Cundiff has been in the league for 12 years and has been on 13 teams, Cleveland twice. He's missed 50 field goals in his career and has a 75% career FG percentage. In comparison, Phil Dawson has played for 15 years, has only 11 more missed field goals, and has a career percentage of 84%. He is not a good kicker. He just isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Sorry, but you're wrong. Billy has two missed field goals that would have decided the outcome of the game this season alone. Granted, the New England kick was a bad situation, but good kickers make kicks when the game is on the line. Nearly all of the kickers in the league have the leg to kick 60+ yarders in perfect scenarios, but the quality ones are the ones that can do it in pressure situations, off the turf, into the wind, etc. Cundiff has proved on many occasions that he is one of the least clutch kickers in the league. He proved it in Dallas, then proved it in Baltimore, then proved it again in Washington, and has since proved it yet again in Cleveland. A missed 57 yard kick is unfortunate and hardly enough to can a player, but when it comes a week after a missed 53 yarder, and the same player has been released from three separate franchises for critical missed kicks, it becomes hard to shift the blame. Cundiff has been in the league for 12 years and has been on 13 teams, Cleveland twice. He's missed 50 field goals in his career and has a 75% career FG percentage. In comparison, Phil Dawson has played for 15 years, has only 11 more missed field goals, and has a career percentage of 84%. He is not a good kicker. He just isn't. I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said there, but I have to share the same sentiments as others. There's at least 5 other things I'd point to today as the reason we lost before Cundiff missing a near 60 yard field goal. You've made it clear you don't like Cundiff, but he's not the reason they lost today and he's not the reason the Browns are in another pathetic losing season. I do hope they draft or pick up a kicker in the draft though, hopefully mold him into our next phil dawson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Yup, it's all our kickers fault LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 How about the "elite defense" that let Brady walk his team down the field in under two minutes? mike, who do you blame for that? the players or the coach? everyone who has said horton is a lock for a HC position might want to rethink that, like right now. if i was haslam i'd be contemplating whether or not he stays on my staff or not next year, meaning like see ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Our defense gave up 13 points in half a minute and it's Cundiff's fault. Bad calls. Bad bounces. Bad defense. Better draft pick. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted December 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 You typed a lot to say very little. Blaming the loss on a guy who missed a 57 yarder, into the wind, is outrageous. How about the "elite defense" that let Brady walk his team down the field in under two minutes? I've never claimed our defense to be elite. To the contrary, I've said the exact opposite. Even in the post directly preceding the game. At no point did I blame the loss on Cundiff. I blamed the loss on the team. In the opening sentence I even said as much. I didn't say that Billy Cundiff lost the game, I said the Cleveland Browns lost the game. Our defense is over-rated. Our #6 ranking on NFL.com is an inflated stat, as it's based off YPG and not PPG. Truth of the matter is, we've given the opposing team great field position many times, which would naturally keep our YPG down. However, we're ranked in the bottom half of the league in points surrendered. If the loss is blamed on anything, it can be blamed on going for two and failing. That's taking points off the board, and we so conveniently lost by one point. But Cundiff did miss a kick. No matter what you may say to claim otherwise, he looked at Chudzinski and told him "I can make this kick", and then he missed. If there was a doubt, we wouldn't have kicked it. Cundiff is a bad kicker, the stats point to it, his history points to it, logic points to it. To say otherwise is ridiculous. He's ranked in the bottom third of the league in overall percentage. He wasn't the sole reason for the loss. But to say that some of the blame doesn't fall on him is laughable. It's true Cleveland fashion to say "Oh, he's solid enough." Solid enough doesn't win championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDDawg Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Our failure to score touchdowns rather than field goals when we completely dominated NE in the first half ultimately led to our defeat plus the poor officiating of course. After we went up 26-14 with 2 min 39 s left, I said that NE would score, get the ball back and score again to win the game. I didn't know it would be with the ref's assistance but it happened all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunDawg Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Cundiff was on target, just didn't have the leg. The loss doesn't fall on him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Cundiff was on target, just didn't have the leg. The loss doesn't fall on him at all. He was kicking 55 yard FGs with the wind behind him in warm-up that were clearing the bar and hitting the net (looking like they would be good from 65 yards) It might not have looked windy, but the flags were dead straight the entire game. I say in windless conditions, he's through the uprights with 3 yards to spare. Unfortunately, today, he was about 2 yards short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 On a warm day, I think that kick would have been good. The Browns are oh, so close to being a great football team. They played with emotion, and even Campbell played a pretty good game, in spurts. The one time he disappointed me, was the 3 and out, with him being very inaccurate on all three throws. The NFL needs to look very seriously at the no calls and calls by these referees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 i agree but that letter sent to the NFL offices with any zip code like 44870 wouldn't make it past the admin assistant's interns desk. filed right in the shredder with the rest of the teams that bring no revenue to the league (in their minds). i can see it right now like a scene in a bad tarantino movie. mailman comes to the door of the huge high-rise building with a sack of letters from browns fans, the intern gets the letters from the mailman while he's still suckin on his stoggie, throws the letters in the trash along with his lit cigarette causing a little flame-up as a woman in a fur coat walks by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 But Cundiff did miss a kick. No matter what you may say to claim otherwise, he looked at Chudzinski and told him "I can make this kick", and then he missed. If there was a doubt, we wouldn't have kicked it. Cundiff is a bad kicker, the stats point to it, his history points to it, logic points to it. To say otherwise is ridiculous. He's ranked in the bottom third of the league in overall percentage. He wasn't the sole reason for the loss. But to say that some of the blame doesn't fall on him is laughable. It's true Cleveland fashion to say "Oh, he's solid enough." Solid enough doesn't win championships. If he had missed a mile left or right I would have been on his case- the kick was dead on, just short. Cundiff may have not won the game for the Browns- but he sure as hell didn't lose it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Put the blame where it belongs, the refs gifted this game to the pats plain and simple!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdawg2010 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Put the blame where it belongs, the refs gifted this game to the pats plain and simple!!!! No the refs didn't help. The Browns or any other team that doesn't win consistently will not get the breaks that teams like New England or the asshole Steelers seem to get. So unfortunately, you're playing two teams out there... the opponent... and the refs. The Browns going into prevent defense didn't help, not to mention not being able to recover the onside kick. Don't get me wrong, the refs did influence the outcome. But it's up to teams like the Browns to learn how to finish games, and slam the door when they need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 the blame squarely goes on the Defense for lettiing it come down to an onside kick and the refs of course chipped in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Italian DawgPound Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 That onside kick had to be re-kicked. And there was no pass interference. Need to add anything more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 what you like the lyrics but can't put up the music you old fart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Anyone going to mention why chud went for 2 instead of 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Anyone going to mention why chud went for 2 instead of 1? Um because if he had made it- guess how many points the Browns would have had with 2 minutes left? Sort of would have forced the Pats to go for 2 just to tie the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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