7moses7 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Reincarnate Dan Marino and The Marks Brothers.Draft Blake Bortles and Jordan Matthews team them up with Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron and possibly move the ball down field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Reincarnate Dan Marino and The Marks Brothers.Draft Blake Bortles and Jordan Matthews team them up with Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron and possibly move the ball down field. Ok, but Marino's not dead so why not just lure the real deal out of retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Reincarnate Dan Marino and The Marks Brothers.Draft Blake Bortles and Jordan Matthews team them up with Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron and possibly move the ball down field. By this you propose that Browns take Bortles with #4 and Mathews with #26? I could possibly live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 By this you propose that Browns take Bortles with #4 and Mathews with #26? I could possibly live with that. i could as well. good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 I would almost rather see POGs fantasy of Watkins/Carr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 man i'm all over the board. hiring a DC at coach, i'm wondering if his wants will affect this FO's draft decisions? you might be looking at clowney at 4 if he's there and a QB with our second (mettenberger or carr, depending on who drops we could get lucky with a bigger name). i like watson but i'd like to see what happens at the combine because there is WR depth and there are a lot of bigger, taller and more physical guys out there, but he would be a compliment to gordon (turn little into either a slot guy or move him to CB). a lot of things will change in the next 4 months and maybe we'll get a better idea in what direction pettine wants to move this team in. if he wants to pound the rock then he'll need a tackle and a RB so i could see those 2 positions being taken within our first 4 picks. too much to ponder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7moses7 Posted January 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 no one knows how much input the new coach will have on the draft if any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Reincarnate Dan Marino and The Marks Brothers.Draft Blake Bortles and Jordan Matthews team them up with Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron and possibly move the ball down field. That would be tremendous, but Bortles isn't going to last until 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 We will need a runningback as well if we intend to pound the rock. Dion Lewis isn't 200 pounds soaking wet. What do you guys think of Seastrunk, I know his name is a little weird but check him out, what do you think of the way he runs the ball. His body build is ideal for a runningback, and he appears to have that extra gear running offenses crave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectralcow Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 I'm a big fan of the running game, but I'm having a hard time getting behind the Browns making a decent reinvestment in the running game this year. I'm just bitter. I guess it helps that it's a new HC, OC, etc. Alright, hang on, let me try to look at this kid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 We will also need a true run and pass blocking fullback. This position is often overlooked and neglected as in it's not a need position... that is until you don't have a true FB like us, Obi cannot be FB next year. He's either the HB or a 3rd down back, backup or bust. He is not a FB. He got blown up by lineman and LBers frequently last season. The value of him catching balls out of the backfield versus having a slobberknocker opening holes for a true runningback fall far short of any benefits he brings to the position. One interesting hypothesis is to try and convert Carlos Hyde to a FB. I don't know a lot about him but he seems to be able to bring the same things Obi does to the table, plus he far bigger than Imagobbleya. I think if we brought in Watkins/Carr, Seastrunk/Hyde and an Offensive Lineman(mauler-runblocker) we would be set perfectly on Offense... Possibly even more explosive than the 07/08 Offense that went 10-6 and missed the playoffs. Just a thought... thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 His name is pronounced "LAKE" Seastrunk.... Fitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 http://youtu.be/ATV13gzocN0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Lorenzo Taliaferro- RB- Coastal Carolina University 6'2" 240 lbs. Rushed for 1,729 yards and 27 TD's. Second team All-American. Mike Mayock voted him Player of the Day in Senior Bowl practices. Great in pass blocking and run blocking. Exceedingly good in space, has good feet and good vision. Could be a great FB, similar to fellow CCU alum Mike Tolbert. I would love for us to land this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectralcow Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 How late do people expect him (Seastrunk) to be available? Despite the gaudy numbers, the fact that Taliaferro went to a smaller school and played against lesser competition (as well as the fact that he'll probably be used as a FB) could mean that he's available late. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 How late do people expect him (Seastrunk) to be available? The fact that Taliaferro went to a smaller school and played against lesser competition could mean that he's available later. He could be had in the later rounds or even as a UDFA. What I like about him is that he's a smart player and individual. He had a comment at the Senior Bowl about his education and was quoted saying "As much as I love the game, it's only temporary. One day I'll have to walk away but my degree lasts forever". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 CROW- I've done the mock draft website and was able to land him early in the second. I would expect him to be gone by the second round sometime. TCPO- Would you prefer L.T. over Hyde as a converted FB from HB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectralcow Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 If the Browns were able to get two first-round players, I could live with Seastrunk in the 2nd. I would be much more comfortable if they could grab three other players in the first two rounds and then pick up Seastrunk in the 3rd round, but I'm guessing he won't be there. Given my preference, I don't think I'd choose for the Browns to take a RB before the 3rd round at the earliest, and I'd really prefer the 4th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 CROW- I've done the mock draft website and was able to land him early in the second. I would expect him to be gone by the second round sometime. TCPO- Would you prefer L.T. over Hyde as a converted FB from HB? I would, yes. Hyde is a great runner with good size, but his blocking technique is poor. He routinely goes low on run blocking plays, which puts a ceiling on his blocking potential. He's good for one block maximum on running plays, which would essentially force our hand into a lot of iso runs. His pass blocking is just bad. His technique is bad, his footwork is bad, and his hands are bad. He doesn't put his weight over the balls of his feet, which results in chipped and missed blocks. He often tries to go shoulder to shoulder, almost like he's running through a defender, and that results in missed blocks. I think Hyde can be a solid mid round runningback, especially if used in the right capacity as a complement or change of pace back. But as a fullback, I just don't see it. The only thing he has going for him is size. Hyde, to me, is a runningback who is just big enough to sometimes block. Taliaferro, in comparison, is a fullback who is capable of running and receiving. Used in the same capacity, Taliaferro would be the better pick based on his skill set, size, and the fact that he can be had much later in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 If we could take Storm Johnson or Dre Williams in the 3rd-5th and Taliaferro in the 6th or 7th, we'd have a pretty solid backfield. We'd have a speedy, elusive back in Dion Lewis. We'd have a power back, between the tackles runner in Andre Williams (who led the nation in 30+ yard plays). And we'd have a blocking FB and receiving threat in Taliaferro. We could have a receiving backfield that doesn't sacrifice any size with Lewis and Taliaferro. We could have a jumbo backfield with Taliaferro and Williams. We could have a dual threat backfield with Williams and Lewis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectralcow Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 I'm good with this (what TCPO suggests above). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 i'm not unless they turn him into a CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 i'm not unless they turn him into a CB. I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 He could be had in the later rounds or even as a UDFA. What I like about him is that he's a smart player and individual. He had a comment at the Senior Bowl about his education and was quoted saying "As much as I love the game, it's only temporary. One day I'll have to walk away but my degree lasts forever". So TC, what's your take on Tre Mason as our "pure " RB, and how high do you think he'll go in the draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 So TC, what's your take on Tre Mason as our "pure " RB, and how high do you think he'll go in the draft? I think Mason could go in the second half of round one, which isn't a shocking opinion, I know. I just haven't done enough research to complete a full mock yet. I like Mason, but I don't see the need for an every down back. The NFL is erring more and more towards an RBBC every season, with Lynch and Peterson being the exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectralcow Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 I'm not in love with RBBC because I think it disrupts the running game for some backs. And then the whole argument kind of feeds itself (feature running backs become less effective because we use them less often, and we use them less often because they become less effective). A certain type of back needs a chance to gain some momentum and wear down a defense. Regardless of my opinion on him, a lot of people think Jerome Bettis was a good back. He wouldn't have been very good in a RBBC situation. He needed carries and repetition to wear defenses down. That being said, I'm not arguing against the notion that this is the direction in which the NFL is headed. I just think that its popularity marginalizes a certain kind of back who can be effective with a greater number of (frequent) carries. And maybe that's okay, too. Sometimes trends emerge that cause formerly popular positions/styles to seem less desirable to most teams (FBs, for instance). And then we call the teams/players that do still use those now unpopular methods anomalies (Lynch in Seattle). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Exactly.^ That what happened to Trent Richardson, Trent would go out on 3rd downs and other backs eating his time. Allowed Defense to focus on Trent in the games, in that moment. By the fourth quarter, if your pounding the defense, it's gonna wear down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 What happened to Trent is that he's really not that good. That's what happened to Trent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectralcow Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Lol, SOOOOOOO not engaging in this discussion again. *coughs and points at the LESS effective Browns rushing game in 2013* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 26, 2014 Report Share Posted January 26, 2014 Lol, SOOOOOOO not engaging in this discussion again. *coughs and points at the LESS effective Browns rushing game in 2013* Really? A 30+ year old runningback was less effective than a Heisman trophy winner? Oh, I'm shocked! Absolutely shocked! Trent sucks. Just because McGahee also sucks doesn't mean that Trent doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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