hawk Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Good Day Browns fans! I am not trolling on your board to stir up any trouble, and I hope that I don't come across that way. The board I am a member of recently had a 3 round GM mock draft (with trade capability), and I was hoping that I might get your opinions on the end result. I am a Jets fan, but I am also an NFL fan. 1-4) Sammy Watkins 2-2) David Yankey (I traded back with Washington for their 2nd and swapped their 3rd for the Browns later 3rd) 2-3) Jimmy Garoppolo 2-30) Yawin Smallwood (I traded back up giving up the Washington pick and swapping 3rd rounders) 3-13) Dion Bailey Obviously, everyone is anticipating the Browns to select a QB, and even though I believe Blake Bortles is going to be a special player in the NFL, I went with a more dynamic player in Watkins to compliment Gordon and Cameron. I was working on some trades to move up from #26 in an attempt to acquire Derek Carr, but a different team beat me to the punch. I was then going to trade up for Zack Martin, and unfortunately he was taken (My thought was he could be an immediate impact on the interior line, and then move out if an injury occured). Then it was Calvin Pryor. I almost threw my computer at this point. I was going to take Yankey at #26, and gambled that he could fall to the Washington pick and it worked out. I would have taken the kid who's name i can't pronounce or type if Yankey was gone. On my home board, I explained my reasoning by "reaching" for Garoppolo at that spot, and that is I feel he would amplify the explosiveness of Watkins and Gordon with his quick release. The next guy, I think could be a really dynamic ILB in the NFL, and I believe the combine will show this kids athleticism, albeit a bit undersized. Especially with your defensive line opening holes, and the outside linebackers you have to not only get after the passer but set the edges. Dion Bailey, that is simply just a steal at this point. IMO As a Jet fan, I certainly do not know the in and outs of the Cleveland Browns like you folks, and I hope that you could shed a bit of light on my/our mock. You could see the way it plays out here. I look forward to hearing what you think, and what you may have done differently. Thank you for allowing me to join your site, and if you don't feel this is something that you want on your site, please feel free to delete this thread. Thanks again, Hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Well, you seem to know the needs of the Browns better than I would know the needs of your Jets (all I know is you guys need receivers). Watkins, Yankey, Garppolo and Smallwood are all names that have been discussed on this board, and I think you did a pretty good job addressing some of our biggest needs with talented players. I personally would've gone with Bortles, but I completely understand how tantalizing the thought of Gordon, Watkins Cameron is. As far as Garoppolo is concerned my gut is telling me that by may Jimmy will be considered by many to have a second round grade, so I don't feel it to be that big of a reach. Smallwood is another selection that I like, but I'd like him more in the third round. I don't know much about Dion Bailey and should certainly take a closer look at him, but all in all, you obviously did your research as far as what positions need to be addressed, and brought some good talent to Cleveland, good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 with our new GM and his love for mariota next year, we might trade out of that spot unless clowney is there. we can get a receiver in later rounds. remember both pettine and farmer are defensive guys. that doesn't mean they don't know we need a QB, BUT it might mean they'll be willing to do so wheeling and dealing to garner more ammo for next year plus fill in the gaps at CB and SS RB WR OT etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 1-4) Sammy Watkins 2-2) David Yankey (I traded back with Washington for their 2nd and swapped their 3rd for the Browns later 3rd) 2-3) Jimmy Garoppolo 2-30) Yawin Smallwood (I traded back up giving up the Washington pick and swapping 3rd rounders) 3-13) Dion Bailey First, thanks for asking... nothing I like better than a good trade down. I have many Fanspeak "drafts" that start Watkins/ Yankey, if Martin was not available at 26. Love Martin's versatility for OG or OT, but Yankey seems tailor made for the zone scheme Shanny, Jr. is no doubt going to install. While I think Garoppolo is a bit of a reach in Rnd 2, he does seem to be the last of @014's QBs with any premium attached so no biggie. Again, he's in a number of my drafts. While I prefer Borland if available, Smallwood is another name in many of my drafts. I think either toughens up our middle and therefore will help fulfill one of Pettine's stated goals. Not feeling the Bailey pick for a couple reasons. First, our incumbent FS, Gipson had a good enough year that we don't need to draft a starter. Second, most of the projections on Bailey I've seen have him as a 4th rounder, but again, if you really like him, one round early is no sin. Third, there's a FS coming out of Vandy that looks to be a much better 5th Rnd value, Kenny Ladler. All in all though looks like a good effort on your part... give 'em hell... and get us a RB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I would feel pretty good at getting Watkins and Yankey with the Browns 2 1st rd. picks, then picking up QB later...be that Garropolo or someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Not bad at all especially for someone who isn't a Browns fan. Ignoring the trades or rounds selected, I like all the players you've chosen for the Browns with the exception of Dion Bailey. I suspect the Browns will retain T.J. Ward so I don't see the need for a safety with a pick this high. Yawin Smallwood is my choice for ILB for the Browns if they can't snag Christian Jones, and I still would like to seem them get Bridgewater or maybe Bortles if available at #4. I wouldn't be disappointing if they took Watkins though. I am in favor of the Browns taking two quarterbacks in this draft as well, though that's probably unlikely to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEVELandMILIDH Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I wouldn't drop out of the first rd. just to swap 3rd round picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I wouldn't drop out of the first rd. just to swap 3rd round pickshe dropped 8 picks for a third rounder. Rather realistic actually. I highly doubt we go anywhere but up considering the amount of picks we have. Id either like to move up from 26 or back into the first from our 2nd rounder. Ending up with three picks in the top 26 is a real possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEVELandMILIDH Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 It doesn't say we got a third rd. pick, it says we swapped 3rd round picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 It doesn't say we got a third rd. pick, it says we swapped 3rd round picks He moved the added 3rd he got to move back up into the bottom of the 2nd round. The kid's a wheeler-dealer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I think that trades too bold for a mock draft. But I do like Yankey and Watkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEVELandMILIDH Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 He moved the added 3rd he got to move back up into the bottom of the 2nd round. The kid's a wheeler-dealer... We already have two 3rd round picks. We didn't add a third, we flipped spots in the third....Am I the only one understanding this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I have been a proponent of Watkins all along but the longer I think about it I start to have doubts on it being the right pick. We have a solid #1 WR in Gordon (unless they hedge on implosion). Given that I am not sure it would be prudent with all of our needs to draft a wide receiver at 4. This draft is very deep in wide receivers that would be more than adequate as number 2 guys. Just my thinking at the moment. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Ive been saying this^ agreed. If no QB, Greg Robinson, Mosley, Matthews, Clowney, Barr,, and Mack would all be better options for us imo. (No order) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 We already have two 3rd round picks. We didn't add a third, we flipped spots in the third....Am I the only one understanding this? First, thank you everyone for your feedback. To clear this up, I did indeed swap 3rd round picks. I believe I moved up in the 3rd from 19 to 2 to move back 8 spots in the first. Prior to making this trade I attempted to trade with several other teams, but the guy I wanted, I was beaten to on a trade. I would also like to clarify that this wasn't just me making a move, it was part of a mock with a GM for each team, which had to be approved/agreed by that teams GM. I have a link in the opening post if you choose to see the players that were taken, and the ones that were available. At #26, I didn't not feel there was enough value there to stay at the selection, that I couldn't get 8 spots later, and I felt that the 17 spots in the third would be pretty significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 First, thank you everyone for your feedback. To clear this up, I did indeed swap 3rd round picks. I believe I moved up in the 3rd from 19 to 2 to move back 8 spots in the first. Prior to making this trade I attempted to trade with several other teams, but the guy I wanted, I was beaten to on a trade. I would also like to clarify that this wasn't just me making a move, it was part of a mock with a GM for each team, which had to be approved/agreed by that teams GM. I have a link in the opening post if you choose to see the players that were taken, and the ones that were available. At #26, I didn't not feel there was enough value there to stay at the selection, that I couldn't get 8 spots later, and I felt that the 17 spots in the third would be pretty significant. Hell 8 spots in the 1st-2nd is worth the third, maybe wed throw in a sixth or seventh rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I would feel pretty good at getting Watkins and Yankey with the Browns 2 1st rd. picks, then picking up QB later...be that Garropolo or someone else. To be honest, I was going to wait and try and take Mettenberger in the third, but I was struggling with it. Knowing how Rex Ryan perceives the game, and Pettine being his "Defensive Coordinator", I would assume he is going to have the same philosophy. He is going to want to have a strong defense, and methodical ball control on offense (which constitutes ground and pound, and high percentage passing). I like all the players you've chosen for the Browns with the exception of Dion Bailey. I suspect the Browns will retain T.J. Ward so I don't see the need for a safety with a pick this high. I am assuming that TJ Ward is retained, and you will have Ward and Bailey. Bailey is a versatile player that fits perfectly into a Rex Ryan style of defense. Again, I have to assume the philosophy will be similar to Ryan's with Pettine, and you could see a lot of similarities in Buffalo last year. he dropped 8 picks for a third rounder. Rather realistic actually. I highly doubt we go anywhere but up considering the amount of picks we have. Id either like to move up from 26 or back into the first from our 2nd rounder. Ending up with three picks in the top 26 is a real possibility. I did just swap 3rd, but is still a fairly realistic trade, IMO, if you go buy the value chart. First, thanks for asking... nothing I like better than a good trade down. I have many Fanspeak "drafts" that start Watkins/ Yankey, if Martin was not available at 26. Love Martin's versatility for OG or OT, but Yankey seems tailor made for the zone scheme Shanny, Jr. is no doubt going to install. While I think Garoppolo is a bit of a reach in Rnd 2, he does seem to be the last of @014's QBs with any premium attached so no biggie. Again, he's in a number of my drafts. While I prefer Borland if available, Smallwood is another name in many of my drafts. I think either toughens up our middle and therefore will help fulfill one of Pettine's stated goals. Not feeling the Bailey pick for a couple reasons. First, our incumbent FS, Gipson had a good enough year that we don't need to draft a starter. Second, most of the projections on Bailey I've seen have him as a 4th rounder, but again, if you really like him, one round early is no sin. Third, there's a FS coming out of Vandy that looks to be a much better 5th Rnd value, Kenny Ladler. All in all though looks like a good effort on your part... give 'em hell... and get us a RB... In real life, which might not be heard welcomely, but Pettine could try and make a move for David Harris of the Jets. I anticipate the Jets trying to move him this offseason, and getting quicker at the position. The Browns have the money to spend, and is familiar with Pettine's defense. That said, the style of defense that Pettine will bring in will require coverage skills from their inside linebackers, and Smallwood appears to have an edge in that area. I am a huge Ladler fan, and have mocked him to the Jets in fanspeak drafts. However, the versatility that Bailey offers will give him the leg up. Ive been saying this^ agreed. If no QB, Greg Robinson, Mosley, Matthews, Clowney, Barr,, and Mack would all be better options for us imo. (No order) That is a sore subject. My plan was to draft him, and unexpectedly he was taken first overall. I almost headbutted my puter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Hell 8 spots in the 1st-2nd is worth the third, maybe wed throw in a sixth or seventh rounder. Part of the rules of the mock was to try and stay in the range of the draft value chart, and I did get the raw end. However, I got the same guy I would have taken at #26, and still moved up 17 spots in the 3rd. In the end, I won the trade. http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted March 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Hello again, I didn't want to start a new thread, but had a question for the Pound. I think Hoyer is going to probably be your front runner to start the season for you guys, and the only QB I see as a potential for the Browns is Bortles. Who knows? Anyway, what would you guys value Mark Sanchez at? Would you guys give up one of your 7th, 6th, 5th, 4th, or 3rd round pick for him? I could see Sanchez bringing a 5th from someone, and at 27 with 2 AFCCG under his belt, he could benefit from a smaller market team. He is due a roster bonus on the 25th, and will probably be cut though. Obviously, I could discuss this on my team forum's, but it's typically (7) 1st or a used contraceptive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Anyway, what would you guys value Mark Sanchez at? Would you guys give up one of your 7th, 6th, 5th, 4th, or 3rd round pick for him? I could see Sanchez bringing a 5th from someone, and at 27 with 2 AFCCG under his belt, he could benefit from a smaller market team. He is due a roster bonus on the 25th, and will probably be cut though. ummmm... no... You waited too long. Last year, before I got a glimpse of Hoyer, I would have at least discussed trading a pick, but not now... EDIT: I wonder what, if anything, Pete Carroll would give for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted March 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 ummmm... no... You waited too long. Last year, before I got a glimpse of Hoyer, I would have at least discussed trading a pick, but not now... EDIT: I wonder what, if anything, Pete Carroll would give for him... I have wondered the same. However, with the trade talks for Schaub, I thought maybe Sanchez could be a player if Schaub went to Oakland. He has so much potential, but his head doesn't. I think he could be a top 15 in a smaller market. JMO I don't want him in NY. That much I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowburn Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 post some dirty skank pix so we can see what you and mik are up to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 No one would trade anything for Sanchez. Sorry. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 sanchez's bruised ego make schaub's ego look like a hangnail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Hello again, I didn't want to start a new thread, but had a question for the Pound. I think Hoyer is going to probably be your front runner to start the season for you guys, and the only QB I see as a potential for the Browns is Bortles. Who knows? Anyway, what would you guys value Mark Sanchez at? Would you guys give up one of your 7th, 6th, 5th, 4th, or 3rd round pick for him? I could see Sanchez bringing a 5th from someone, and at 27 with 2 AFCCG under his belt, he could benefit from a smaller market team. He is due a roster bonus on the 25th, and will probably be cut though. Obviously, I could discuss this on my team forum's, but it's typically (7) 1st or a used contraceptive. We trade for him, we'd have to pick up his contract, which I'm guessing is substantial. The Browns are looking for a veteran qb, but I doubt it would be Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Hello again, I didn't want to start a new thread, but had a question for the Pound. I think Hoyer is going to probably be your front runner to start the season for you guys, and the only QB I see as a potential for the Browns is Bortles. Who knows? Anyway, what would you guys value Mark Sanchez at? Would you guys give up one of your 7th, 6th, 5th, 4th, or 3rd round pick for him? I could see Sanchez bringing a 5th from someone, and at 27 with 2 AFCCG under his belt, he could benefit from a smaller market team. He is due a roster bonus on the 25th, and will probably be cut though. Obviously, I could discuss this on my team forum's, but it's typically (7) 1st or a used contraceptive. The Jets are a small market team....for all intents and purposes. Beyond that who knows. Pettine was a Jets DC...so if anyone has insight to the guy, he may. And he may not want to touch him wih a 10 foot pole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowburn Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 dirty sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I value Mark Sanchez very low. If his contract is big I value him at nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Jets are a "small market team"??? WTF, Gip? I have wondered the same. However, with the trade talks for Schaub, I thought maybe Sanchez could be a player if Schaub went to Oakland. He has so much potential, but his head doesn't. I think he could be a top 15 in a smaller market. JMO I don't want him in NY. That much I know. What's your logic? Does "small market" in your mind mean "no night life"? If that's your angle, then sorry, but a QB with a weak work ethic is going to find distractions wherever he lands because he simply does not love the game enough and/or have the burning desire to excel that the great ones have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted May 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 It must be that time of year again. First, I love the draft for the Browns thus far. I would have really liked to, given the right opportunity, welcomed Danny Shelton to Jet nation. They also took the approach I was hoping the Jets would pursue in free agency, a versatile lineman. Anyway, as you may be aware, the Jets took yet another Defensive Lineman at #6, and talks have surfaced that Mohammed Wilkerson may be traded, which leads me to posting this afternoon. What would he be worth? Unlike my last thought I sought your opinion on, your head coach has to be salivating at the thought of acquiring him, and of course, Jet nation would want a trade partner to back up the truck for him, so if I could get alternative opinions from the garbage I have to endure on my home boards, I would be thankful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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