The Gipper Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 In 2012 the likes of Nick Foles and Russell Wilson slipped in the draft to the 2d/3rd round. Colin Kaepernick did the same in 2011. These guys are possibly turning out to be better than guys drafted high in the first round. (and going back in history: Joe Montana was a 3rd round draft pick) So who will be the Nick Foles/Russell Wilson/Colin Kaepernick of this years draft. That QB that is taken in the 2d, 3rd, 4th round etc. that could turn out to actually be the best of the bunch. (maybe even throw Andy Dalton in there). In other words, who besides Bortles/Manziel/Bridgewater could actuall step to the top of this year's QB class down the road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBC mike Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 AJ McCarren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 While researching QBs in the draft, I came across this decription of the weaknesses of one candidate: Could stand to hasten his setup and polish his footwork (deteriorates under duress). Could stand to shorten his release -- wraps the ball slightly at the beginning of his windup. Too much effort in his delivery to generate slightly above-average arm strength. Operated in an offense where he made a lot of one-look reads. Does not spin spirals consistently -- too many throws come out with loose wobble (could struggle to cut the wind in blustery conditions). Ordinary deep-ball thrower. Tends to throw off his back foot when pressured (affects accuracy). Works heavily out of the gun -- will have to adapt to snaps under center and deep drops. Operates a dink-and-dunk offense which inflates his completion percentage. Fumbled nine times as a junior and could improve ball handling/security. Play dropped off against better competition and will require time to adjust to the closing speed of NFL defensive backs. Is just a two-year starter and can improve his understanding of the game. Scary stuff! That QB's name...Blake Bortles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBC mike Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 While researching QBs in the draft, I came across this decription of the weaknesses of one candidate: Scary stuff! That QB's name...Blake Bortles. I wasn't really impressed with him in the combine when he was throwing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 If he gets a warm climate, Brett Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Kaep, Wilson and Foles all went to teams that are solid offensively, that have top ten rushing attacks, solid WR's and, in two of the cases, have top ten defenses. They were picked just as value picks, not to be the starter instantly. Each team had either a first round pick or a high priced FA in position as the quarterback. In Kaep's case, the offense was very much tailored to his skillset. They each walked into perfect scenarios for them. It's not as if they were taken by teams that had nothing on offense nor were strongly in search of a quarterback. The situation is not like here, or Jacksonville, or Tennessee, or Oakland. If any of the aforementioned guys had gone to one of those places. I don't think we'd be talking about them right now. Wilson and Foles were taken in the Luck draft so, while being good, they're clearly not the best quarterbacks of the bunch. Further, I don't think you can really say "which QB is best". I believe EJ Manuel to be a better quarterback than all three of the aforementioned sleepers because he has the tools of all of them in one, 6'5 body.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEinCHI Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Connor Shaw from SC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEVELandMILIDH Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Jeff Mathews 6'4" 225lbs Good height, big hands and a well-built frame to shake off defenders. Very good arm strength and velocity and can make deep throws with ease. Knows how to change arm angles and still deliver lasers. Improved ball placement and overall accuracy despite shaky mechanics. Not much of a rush threat, but a better athlete than expected with mobility to pick up tough yards and throw on the run. Smart and processes information quickly. Confident and won't play hesitant. Obvious by his play that he puts in the time during the week. Hard worker with strong preparation skills and a team-first attitude. Improved pocked mobility to step up with his eyes downfield. He impressed at the Shrine game so he's got that going for him I see alot of Matt Stafford without the bad decision making. Have heard others compare him to Phillip Rivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Kaep, Wilson and Foles all went to teams that are solid offensively, that have top ten rushing attacks, solid WR's and, in two of the cases, have top ten defenses. They were picked just as value picks, not to be the starter instantly. Each team had either a first round pick or a high priced FA in position as the quarterback. In Kaep's case, the offense was very much tailored to his skillset. They each walked into perfect scenarios for them. It's not as if they were taken by teams that had nothing on offense nor were strongly in search of a quarterback. The situation is not like here, or Jacksonville, or Tennessee, or Oakland. If any of the aforementioned guys had gone to one of those places. I don't think we'd be talking about them right now. Wilson and Foles were taken in the Luck draft so, while being good, they're clearly not the best quarterbacks of the bunch. Further, I don't think you can really say "which QB is best". I believe EJ Manuel to be a better quarterback than all three of the aforementioned sleepers because he has the tools of all of them in one, 6'5 body.. You said all that....and as fine as it all was, you still didn't answer the question: which of the QBs in this draft that will be likely be taken in a lower round will break out and be a potential playoff team starter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Jeff Mathews 6'4" 225lbs Good height, big hands and a well-built frame to shake off defenders. Very good arm strength and velocity and can make deep throws with ease. Knows how to change arm angles and still deliver lasers. Improved ball placement and overall accuracy despite shaky mechanics. Not much of a rush threat, but a better athlete than expected with mobility to pick up tough yards and throw on the run. Smart and processes information quickly. Confident and won't play hesitant. Obvious by his play that he puts in the time during the week. Hard worker with strong preparation skills and a team-first attitude. Improved pocked mobility to step up with his eyes downfield. He impressed at the Shrine game so he's got that going for him I see alot of Matt Stafford without the bad decision making. Have heard others compare him to Phillip Rivers He is one that I had in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 You said all that....and as fine as it all was, you still didn't answer the question: which of the QBs in this draft that will be likely be taken in a lower round will break out and be a potential playoff team starter?I wasn't answering your question because I don't think it's valid. I don't think Kaep, Wilson or Foles are sleepers. Sleepers aren't quartebacks that are thrown into perfect situations. They're not quarterbacks that have a lot of hype during the draft and combine. They're not quartebacks who are, by all accounts, first round picks if not for one certain quality (size, conference affiliation). Sleepers are quarterbacks who are never expected to contribute and then do. I don't believe the aforementioned QB's ever fit in that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadNewsBrowns Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Mettenberger, maybe... would be a perfect guy to sit & learn. Mathews ? no thanks 3-7 in ivy league play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I wasn't answering your question because I don't think it's valid. I don't think Kaep, Wilson or Foles are sleepers. Sleepers aren't quartebacks that are thrown into perfect situations. They're not quarterbacks that have a lot of hype during the draft and combine. They're not quartebacks who are, by all accounts, first round picks if not for one certain quality (size, conference affiliation). Sleepers are quarterbacks who are never expected to contribute and then do. I don't believe the aforementioned QB's ever fit in that category. OK, I was only using those guys as examples of people drafted in lower rounds. Maybe ignore the term "sleeper". Which QBs that are projected to go in a lower round whose play you think will exceed their draft status? Are those semantics better for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 A good Football fans question. Not one that needs broken down or have someones spin put on it to rank whether a question is valid or not. I woulda rather went on to the next topic rather than spew some opinionated bs that doesn't even answer a simple question. My sleeper Qbs (IMO) Boyd and Savage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Sleepers aren't quartebacks that are thrown into perfect situations. Wilson was Drafted after a team lands one if the bigger Free Agent's of the year. Not ideal to start from the 3rd round let alone to win a superbowl a year later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 A couple guys I like real late are Keith Wenning and Tom Savage. Savage started at Rutgers as a freshman and set big east passing records for freshman. His sophmore season he got banged up early and lost the job. He transferred to Arizona, then straight to Pitt before he ever played a down. He started for Pitt this year, and he had a decent year. 61% , 21TD, 9 INT. He has a huge arm and hes 6'4" 230 lb. He has a real smooth release from the highlight video I saw. He was a top rated recruit out of high school and turned down offers from some big boys down south to go to Rutgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beare Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 aaron murray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 fales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 If he gets a warm climate, Brett Smith He played at Wyoming.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Jeff Matthews, Jimmy Garappolo, Aaron Murray. Probably my 3 favorite sleepers. Possibly in that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Aaron Murray is my sleeper. I also like Connor Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Jeff Matthews, Jimmy Garappolo, Aaron Murray. Probably my 3 favorite sleepers. Possibly in that order. i don't consider garappolo or murray really sleepers. mathews yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Derek Carr will be the most successful QB from this draft class... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Wilson was Drafted after a team lands one if the bigger Free Agent's of the year. Not ideal to start from the 3rd round let alone to win a superbowl a year later. And was said to be a first round quarterback if not for his small stature. Not exactly a guy who never had a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 i don't consider garappolo or murray really sleepers. mathews yes. Perhaps, I was just thinking post 1st round QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 He played at Wyoming.... Hands too small for cold weather NFL success, IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Did he have an issue with turnovers in Wyoming's weather and where he had a gaggle of two star prospects blocking for him? I haven't looked into it but that could shed some light on the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 In 2012 the likes of Nick Foles and Russell Wilson slipped in the draft to the 2d/3rd round. Colin Kaepernick did the same in 2011. These guys are possibly turning out to be better than guys drafted high in the first round. (and going back in history: Joe Montana was a 3rd round draft pick) So who will be the Nick Foles/Russell Wilson/Colin Kaepernick of this years draft. That QB that is taken in the 2d, 3rd, 4th round etc. that could turn out to actually be the best of the bunch. (maybe even throw Andy Dalton in there). In other words, who besides Bortles/Manziel/Bridgewater could actuall step to the top of this year's QB class down the road? It will be the guy drafted by the team that has underperformed last season and is actually better then they seem on paper. The team that has the building blocks of success in place. Not the team that sucks and expect a quarterback to make all the difference. Whoever gets drafted by the afore mentioned team will be the next surprising superstar. I think quite possibly that team, the first one, could easily be the Cleveland Browns within the next couple seasons. Unless of course everybody flips out and start over at the end of this coming season... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip1956 Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Aaron Murray will be available in round 4&5. He's played in a pro style offense and has excelled in calling audibles for four great years. He is also a master of the back shoulder pass. Don't let the Bengals grab him to be their franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 i'm hoping if we DO take a QB this year they will wait until those rounds you just mentioned. i kinda like fales a little more cuz he's got the run ability but eitherr one in those rounds would not kill me. also we can't look at a running back until those same rounds. i'm hoping for storm johnson. wants to play in cleveland and if we have lewis and him as our 1-3 down backs and use obi as our fullback we'll be good there. just gotta shore up the right side of the OL before any RB can have success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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