Oh, yeah...scientists know mmgw is bogus. It's freakin SCIENCE

[calfoxwc]

1. Govts tried to cover up data showing lack of global warming ...

   Leaked documents obtained by the AP show that governments tried to get climatescientists to downplay the lack of global ... lack of global warming over ...

   dailycaller.com/2013/09/23/u-s-and-europe-tried-to-cover... - Cached

   ****************************************************

   Now, why would govts try to hide the LACK of global warming.

    

   Hint: It pertains to what I said about the UN's admitted desire

   to get more money for poor countries...

   from the rich countries...

   especially us.

[calfoxwc]

And this is the kind of thing I've been talking about.

 

It's the freakin money, a UN political move to accrue

trillions of dollars to do their planetary good works...

 

including making themselves rich, like Al Gore.

 

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/16637-despite-lack-of-global-warming-un-sure-humanity-is-to-blame

[LogicIsForSquares]

Yeah because small scale multivariate tests are always accurate in predicting what really happens on a scale thousands of times larger with thousands of different variables over decades of more time. Yep I'd bet my future on it.

Who said anything about small scale? We don't live in an age where they are all comparing this stuff on paper. You can make data models that can cover literally millions of different variables because everyone has access to each other's data over the course of decades.

 

But carry on. I am sure you were the first person to ever consider there are "thousands of variables" involved.

[LogicIsForSquares]

I could give a fuck about the UN. I care more about what the science community has to say. The UN is just a leech and would be trying to rip people off with some other scheme even if we lived in a world where everything was solar powered.

[calfoxwc]

China and India and a few other countries, are belching out

pollution that should terrify mmgw believers. And yet,

The stupid Kyoto treaty EXEMPTED those two countries,

including somewhere around 80-90 other countries from it.

 

That make sense to anybody on this board?

 

CO2 levels have been rising. But worldwide temps

have been falling, or staying the same since about 1998.

 

I'm concerned that the planet can't keep sustaining

the build up of CO2, while development, and greed,

is causing the earths virgin rainforests to be decimated

(millions of acres), and with more population, countries

are clearing large tracts of woods to put in developments,

parking lots, and buildings.

 

Meanwhile, about 14 percent pf the earth used to be covered

 

http://www.rain-tree.com/facts.htm#.U0AP-KhdWSo

 

by rainforests. It's now about 6 percent, and that could

end up being 1 percent in about 40 years.

 

Then.. I'd figure that the CO2 levels would spike.

 

Yet, with rising CO2 levels... we aren't warming since 98... hmmmm.

 

That means that we aren't doing our planet any favors by ignoring

the rainforests and plant life destruction and the worst polluting countries

on earth.

 

But mmgw govs? They want taxes and control over everything people do.

and more money from the richer countries.

 

I have just been calling a HUGE BS FACTOR on the whole stupid political bogus ploy.

[MLD Woody]

There is no point in trying to debate the solutions, govt involvement, etc with you until you actually admit that climate change is happening and man is playing a significant role.

 

Until then these are just rants about your virgin rainforests, CO2, the UN, liberals, etc.

 

 

Also, if you want to make claims about hard numbers (CO2 levels, global temp, etc) I'd provide references.

[Westside Steve]

There is no point in trying to debate the solutions, govt involvement, etc with you until you actually admit that climate change is happening and man is playing a significant role.

 

Until then these are just rants about your virgin rainforests, CO2, the UN, liberals, etc.

 

 

Also, if you want to make claims about hard numbers (CO2 levels, global temp, etc) I'd provide references.

Fair enough. In hard numbers how long do we have before it's too late?

What percent of the world's co2 emissions need to be stopped and when in order to avert catastrophe?

 

WSS

[calfoxwc]

The trouble is, woody, that the temp hasn't been climbing along

with the rise in CO2 levels.

 

Please learn to read and COMPREHEND.

 

It's a goofy point you make, of course climate change is happening.

 

What ISN'T Happening, is mmgw. We ..are...not...raising...the...earth....temps

since...1998.

 

All sorts of mmgw scientists are flustered because they can't explain it.

 

How the hell can I "debate" only after I falsely concede that mmgw is real,

and our planet "has a fever" and all the water in the oceans and

seas and Great Lakes will boil and evaporate into space in a few years?

 

Good old man-made global warming" is now "climate change" so liberals can

save face.

[Osiris]

Heh

By the way I completely disagree with your blog entry about not wanting us fat boys to be a protected group.

I'm ready; hand me some free shit for being fat!

Maybe I could get a gig, similar to Al Sharpton, on MSNBC as the token Fatman and bitch about reparations for the weight challenged.

The Thin Man be keeping us down long enough.

Wss

 

LOL Steve. But arent you the one always complaining about people getting free stuff?

 

I hate all of those "fat pride" groups. It is a awful they act like it is normal and healthy to be that big. Then we're stuck paying the bill for something entirely their lazy ass' fault. Riding around on the rascal scooters meant for old people... ugh.

 

I read your blog entry too, nice read. What position were you on the line?

As an overweight person I completely agree. We can treat people with respect and still encourage them to get healthy. It isn't mutually exclusive. Unfortunately if you read the comments at SciAm you'll see the fat pride advocates.

 

As for football, I played both sides of the line. Right tackle on offense and defensive tackle in a 4-3 on defense. Also played special teams. It was very tiring.

[Stewy]

climate change is happening and man is playing a significant role.

 

.

 

When will you stop? Mans contribution to climate change is insignificant, blown out of proportion by you leftists only to further your agenda.

 

Do you or do you not believe Obama is a socialst at heart? There is more evidence to suggest he is, then there is of man playing a significant role in climate change....yet I guarantee you will dance around and not give me a straight answer.

[Westside Steve]

LOL Steve. But arent you the one always complaining about people getting free stuff?

 

 

Damn Right. Unless, of course, its me!!!! Which, unfortunately, is why socialism is so attractive. The goal? Get that 47 percent up to 51 percent!

 

As an overweight person I completely agree. We can treat people with respect and still encourage them to get healthy. It isn't mutually exclusive. Unfortunately if you read the comments at SciAm you'll see the fat pride advocates.

As for football, I played both sides of the line. Right tackle on offense and defensive tackle in a 4-3 on defense. Also played special teams. It was very tiring.

LOL Steve. But arent you the one always complaining about people getting free stuff?

 

As an overweight person I completely agree. We can treat people with respect and still encourage them to get healthy. It isn't mutually exclusive. Unfortunately if you read the comments at SciAm you'll see the fat pride advocates.

As for football, I played both sides of the line. Right tackle on offense and defensive tackle in a 4-3 on defense. Also played special teams. It was very tiring.

[Westside Steve]

As for your comment woody, hey being obese is a helluva lot more normal and natural than being homosexual.

 

I'd bet that everybody on this board enjoys soda pop and ice cream.

Probably only a tiny fraction enjoys jizz.

 

( Not that there's anything wrong with that...)

 

 

WSS

[LogicIsForSquares]

I was about to enjoy a coke before it got compared to jizz. Bottle of water it is haha.

[MLD Woody]

As for your comment woody, hey being obese is a helluva lot more normal and natural than being homosexual.

 

WSS

Which isn't necessarily a good thing. The number of obese people in the US is anything but natural

[The Cysko Kid]

The US btw isn't even the fattest country. There's fat asses all over but Mexico tops the list. Viva Mexico

[Osiris]

Which isn't necessarily a good thing. The number of obese people in the US is anything but natural

Yes, it is not natural because the foods we eat are not natural. Our bodies are not tuned to industrialized foods which are designed for over consumption and storage.

[MLD Woody]

I can understand that reasoning in lower income situation where they may not have access to anything but processed fast food.

 

But for everyone else, it just throws "self control" out the window. It isn't hard to eat bad foods in moderation, stay active, etc etc.

[calfoxwc]

Shop at farmer's markets !

[The Cysko Kid]

I can understand that reasoning in lower income situation where they may not have access to anything but processed fast food.

 

But for everyone else, it just throws "self control" out the window. It isn't hard to eat bad foods in moderation, stay active, etc etc.

Fast food is never ever the cheapest option. Mcdonalds is like six bucks a combo now. You know how many peanut butter sandwiches you can make for six bucks? Or tuna fish? More than McDonalds can offer for the price.

[MLD Woody]

I'm a dollar menunaire

[Osiris]

I can understand that reasoning in lower income situation where they may not have access to anything but processed fast food.

 

But for everyone else, it just throws "self control" out the window. It isn't hard to eat bad foods in moderation, stay active, etc etc.

 

There's more to it than self-control, most of these foods are designed to be physiologically addictive. Salt, sugar, fat. That's the key. Read a few articles written by Gary Taubes. It's fascinating how the food industry has manipulated food and us through it.

[calfoxwc]

I think they got their idea from tobacco.

 

virginia slims were found once to be the most

addictive cigarrette of all...

 

on purpose. Sick, out of control greed and corruption.

[MLD Woody]

There's more to it than self-control, most of these foods are designed to be physiologically addictive. Salt, sugar, fat. That's the key. Read a few articles written by Gary Taubes. It's fascinating how the food industry has manipulated food and us through it.

Idk man, I feel like that is a cop out and it gives people a pass for not having self control. It isn't complicated, just watch what you eat and stay active. Like I said, I have no sympathy for 95% of the obese people out there and I don't want to pay for their healthcare when it is directly from their life choice.

 

 

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to go buy some Panda Express for breakfast.

[Osiris]

Idk man, I feel like that is a cop out and it gives people a pass for not having self control. It isn't complicated, just watch what you eat and stay active. Like I said, I have no sympathy for 95% of the obese people out there and I don't want to pay for their healthcare when it is directly from their life choice.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to go buy some Panda Express for breakfast.

Self-control is certainly important, but I'd recommend you study the physiology of how refined carbs effect your body before making your mind up.

 

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but Cal and I finally agrees on something! It is absolutely a profit-driven food industry and it is pretty depressing once you start figuring out the extent of it. The huge restaurant portions, the free coke refills, pasta, pizza, and bread-laden diets, all the sugary foods. All designed to hook you and literally turn us into cash cows.

[MLD Woody]

Yes but how does that explain the people that don't become "addicted". That don't succumb to the evil "big food" ways with their large portions and sugary foods. A large portion of America seems to get around on a daily basis without falling victim to Ronald McDonald. Yeah, the food is bad for you. Yeah, it is readily available. Yeah, it is really, really good. But just stop eating it, or don't eat so much.

 

Again, I am on the personal responsibility side here. (Even though I guess I am a god damn dirty liberal)

[Osiris]

I also know you to be on the side of scientific evidence so here ya go. If nothing else, read the section after the headline "Suspicious Hormones."

 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-obesity-an-addiction/

 

It's a long but rewarding read that, for me at least, synchs with my own observations about my own eating behaviors. If you don't want to read it, the main point is there is scientific evidence that food can be addictive physiologically for some people, for example, those people with genetics leading to fewer dopamine receptors than most people. He also points out that though this view is still gaining steam in the larger public, it is generally accepted by the scientific community. I have had many conversations amongst my own scientific community where I work about food addiction and can corroborate this, at least in my tiny little sample size.

 

Oh, and answer your question more directly, some people don't get addicted because they don't have the genetic predisposition to get addicted. In some ways food addiction is more insidious because we all NEED to eat, but nobody NEEDS to shoot heroine.

[Westside Steve]

that's exactly right Osiris. Something else to keep in mind is alcoholism. I drink on a fairly regular basis maybe 2 or 3 pints 2 or 3 times a week, but that's about it. If I go a week or two without anything it means nothing to me. On the other hand I know plenty of guys you start their day off with whiskey and our shit hammered drunk nearly every day. The weird thing is they are, at least some of them, functioning alcoholics and you would be surprised to know that they had a bottle of whiskey aday. Usually that is. These guys have a genetic propensity towards alcoholism. Remember the law of unintended consequences? Science and its wisdom, has made it easier and easier to get through life without doing much physical work. Its made food so abundant that we in the United States have buffets where more food is thrown out that is eaten by a third world village. So thanks to that people get fatter and lazier and more out of shape. But they live longer thanks to science. That means that the weaker ones, those who can't really handle the inactivity, don't die off. Chicken or egg, you decide.

 

Also if I remember the statistics correctly gross obesity is much more prevalent in the very poor communities. The communities that don't work at all and get free food.

And we eat more shit because the shit tastes great. That's completely natural.

 

We found out a way to override natural selection. Whoops.

 

WSS

[DieHardBrownsFan]

I think it is more the type of food that poor people eat. Tend to eat more fried food. Fat back, fried chicken, gravy, etc. Especially down south. Them EBT cards are accepted by most junk food places also.

[MLD Woody]

I read the article, and it makes sense. I still feel like it essentially gives those that are overweight or obese a pass. I'm guessing for this reason that a belief like this would gain support in the Amerjcan public quickly, as so many of us are fat.

 

No body has perfect genetics though. I have awful eye sight, terrible allergies, etc. I deal with it and it affects how I go about things. Having genes that make you more predisposed to not getting the same positive feeling from eating as others, causing you to eat more, doesn't necessarily give you a pass.

 

Plus, with the number of overweight and obese people in the US, I'd have a very hard time believing it is all due to this genetic deficiency.

 

In my mind it just eliminates self control and personal responsibility from the equation. You're telling people it is n9t their fault they eat awful and aren't active. That just seems like a slippery slope to people not being held accountable for other negative actions. Yes, it may be harder for someone to resist that cake than it is for someone else, but they need to know what is best for their health.

 

That being said, if this research helped develop a more affective "dieting" pill, then great, more power to ya. Use what you have at your disposal. If this research helps us better understand the problem and our bodies better, fantastic.

 

I totally get that sone people struggle with weight due to hormonal imbalances or whatever. I have a hard time believing the explosion of fat people has to do with the increases number of crappy food and that everyone one has poor genetics.

 

 

 

It is just a situation where someone could be lazy and make terrible health decisions and suffer the same consequences as someone with a legitimate problem. It is unique in that sense and calling it a medical condition out of their control is dangerous IMO. You then have the public paying for the health care and services of the guy with the bad genes, plus the 6 other lazy dudes.

 

It might get overdiagnosed. Like, for the same reason I feel there are way too many kids that supposedly have ADD. Instead your kid just not paying attention, not being smart, not being a good student (which could be blamed on you, the parent), you get to say "No, it is ADD! Not my fault!" and throw drugs at the situation.

[MLD Woody]

Steve, I don't think poor people are more likely to be overweight because they are lazy and just don't work. More likely it has to do with the food that is readily available is bad for you, and healthier food is harder to get ahold of and more expensive.

 

I mentioned in one of my earlier posts that I consider this a different situation than "non poor" Americans being fat because their parameters are different.