My Thoughts and Opinions on the Draft

[cdl15]

 

Good teams final players that can be solid contributers and some cases stars. Look at the seahawks, there team is build with mid round picks who turned into great players. You can't play the lotto when you give away your tickets and constantly trading up to get a better player, say in the third round (which is the only one I am really complaining about) is pointless when you consider the drop off in talent and the % chance to hit on a player isn't much different. Ya trade awy the 7th rounder for a 6th next year, you know if you actually have drafted at least 7 players. But when you start off with the ability to draft 10 and you walk away with 6, there is an issue there. We will have 10 next year (as it currently stands) we need to come away with 8.

yea good teams don't need starters from the 3rd and 4th rounds they can draft quantities and develop these high potential raw assets. Unfortunatelybthe Browns haven't been in this situation for along time. They are following Seatle blueprint pretty well actually.

[choco]

End the draft with 6 players. I guess I can't be mad that we manage to trade a 7th rounder for a 6th rounder next year, but it still just highlights my point, that Farmer needs to NOT do what he did this year come next draft, and that is trade away our picks just to move up a few spots. Once is fine for a special player, but you can't do that for half your draft. We end up with 6 players on 10 draft picks.

I vemehently disagree.

 

We started with 10 picks. Got 6 solid prospects at positions that needed help, and scheme fits. Parlayed another 3 picks next year, including an extra #1 from a struggling franchise. All 6 of those picks are expected to not only make the team, bit contribute on more than special teams.

 

If farmer runs a draft like this every year, he'll be better than Ozzie and his compensatory pick formula.

 

Yes, of course....the picks need too pan out. So do every other teams. But farmer definitely has a plan for maintaining draft currency while selecting the types of players his coaches said they needed.

 

Just because he didnt get every position in one draft does nothing to discredit the great job he did. Besides, we don't play games next week. There's still trades to be made, more FA signings, camp cuts, and UDFAs (we brought in 3 WRs last I checked).

 

To panic and scrap the plan to take Watkins would have been the same old browns. What you just saw was a real GM. Furthermore, Watkins nor Evans are not Gordon. Its relatively rare for a rookie WR to come in and light it up, even to half Gordon's production in 14 games last year.

 

Its pretty obvious that they wanna play defense and run the ball....throw when necessary.

[Gunz41]

 

Good teams final players that can be solid contributers and some cases stars. Look at the seahawks, there team is build with mid round picks who turned into great players. You can't play the lotto when you give away your tickets and constantly trading up to get a better player, say in the third round (which is the only one I am really complaining about) is pointless when you consider the drop off in talent and the % chance to hit on a player isn't much different. Ya trade awy the 7th rounder for a 6th next year, you know if you actually have drafted at least 7 players. But when you start off with the ability to draft 10 and you walk away with 6, there is an issue there. We will have 10 next year (as it currently stands) we need to come away with 8.

 

But the thing is, and forgive me if I am reading it wrong, but I don't believe that I am, the 3rd isn't the only one you are complaining about. You say that is the only one you are complaining about, but then in the same post you are complaining about them trading the 7th for a 6th next year. You keep on saying in this thread about were not following Seattle's model, well where does it say that we have to, were supposed to, or were going to? Maybe someone said that and I missed it, if so then I will be glad to admit that I am wrong, but if you are just saying that they got these good players by getting them late in drafts so we should follow that because they won the Super Bowl last year, well the problem with that is a couple things: 1. we don't have the same personnel department as them to find these gems as them and thinking that all of these players are just going to be home runs is crazy. 2. Why dont we follow the Ravens? Giants? Packers? Or the 1974 Steelers Draft, lets follow that game plan. Best draft of all time. That worked out good, so we can do that.

 

The fact is teams do their best to scout for what will help their team and what they think is the best players. Do you think any team went in saying lets get this player because hes going to be a bust? When the Browns took Manziel do you think they were thinking, "Hmm, were taking him but we think Bridgewater or Carr is going to be better," Of course not. Teams evaluate differently and some evaluate better, but give this FO a chance before you say they did it wrong. If they traded up or down they had a reason for it, and I trust them.

[Harry Buffalo]

yea good teams don't need starters from the 3rd and 4th rounds they can draft quantities and develop these high potential raw assets. Unfortunatelybthe Browns haven't been in this situation for along time. They are following Seatle blueprint pretty well actually.

Seahawks started doing it right around when Carrol showed up, so they were not in any better position than we are in right now.

[choco]

Would you be all over the seahawk model had they not won the Superbowl?

 

If it was Denver, would you then be on their jock?

 

Or do you prefer to take 12 long shot players over 6 better talents?

 

Hoping for a diamond in the rough is fun, ut the more talented players go off the board first for a reason.

[Harry Buffalo]

I vemehently disagree.

 

We started with 10 picks. Got 6 solid prospects at positions that needed help, and scheme fits. Parlayed another 3 picks next year, including an extra #1 from a struggling franchise. All 6 of those picks are expected to not only make the team, bit contribute on more than special teams.

 

If farmer runs a draft like this every year, he'll be better than Ozzie and his compensatory pick formula.

 

Yes, of course....the picks need too pan out. So do every other teams. But farmer definitely has a plan for maintaining draft currency while selecting the types of players his coaches said they needed.

 

Just because he didnt get every position in one draft does nothing to discredit the great job he did. Besides, we don't play games next week. There's still trades to be made, more FA signings, camp cuts, and UDFAs (we brought in 3 WRs last I checked).

 

To panic and scrap the plan to take Watkins would have been the same old browns. What you just saw was a real GM. Furthermore, Watkins nor Evans are not Gordon. Its relatively rare for a rookie WR to come in and light it up, even to half Gordon's production in 14 games last year.

 

Its pretty obvious that they wanna play defense and run the ball....throw when necessary.

What I am saying is that there was a HUGE need, that he could have filled with his own formula, but he traded away picks to move up and grab players that he didn't need. I have already stated that I am giving him the benafit of the doubt on Bilgert and Manziel. I assume a team was trying to and jump us for Gilbert and we know the Chiefs were going to take Manziel. But why spend the 6th to get West. Was RB such a huge need, and was the next on the board so bad or was Wests value so good, that it really required us to trade up? I don't think so.

 

 

But the thing is, and forgive me if I am reading it wrong, but I don't believe that I am, the 3rd isn't the only one you are complaining about. You say that is the only one you are complaining about, but then in the same post you are complaining about them trading the 7th for a 6th next year. You keep on saying in this thread about were not following Seattle's model, well where does it say that we have to, were supposed to, or were going to? Maybe someone said that and I missed it, if so then I will be glad to admit that I am wrong, but if you are just saying that they got these good players by getting them late in drafts so we should follow that because they won the Super Bowl last year, well the problem with that is a couple things: 1. we don't have the same personnel department as them to find these gems as them and thinking that all of these players are just going to be home runs is crazy. 2. Why dont we follow the Ravens? Giants? Packers? Or the 1974 Steelers Draft, lets follow that game plan. Best draft of all time. That worked out good, so we can do that.

 

The fact is teams do their best to scout for what will help their team and what they think is the best players. Do you think any team went in saying lets get this player because hes going to be a bust? When the Browns took Manziel do you think they were thinking, "Hmm, were taking him but we think Bridgewater or Carr is going to be better," Of course not. Teams evaluate differently and some evaluate better, but give this FO a chance before you say they did it wrong. If they traded up or down they had a reason for it, and I trust them.

I'm saying we should follow the formula because they have been saying that is the type of thing they want to run. And I don't blame them for wanting to run it. The Seahawks and 49ers do it every year and it has worked great for them. Also, and I have already said this, I can agree with trading a 7th round pick for a 6th, or even a 6th for a 5th, if we have come out of the draft with a good amount of players. We came out with 6 in a year where we started with 10 picks. We should have come out of it with 8. Who was taken after our pick that Farmer really wanted to go undrafted. We don't know, but it would be stupid to think that he had to cross a lot of names off a list by the time the 7th round was over. Who was he targetting as a UDFA that turned him down or signed else where before he could call? Who knows. But in the deepest draft of the last decade we came out with 6 of our 10 picks when we should have had 8 players. You want to do this in a draft like last years and am more than fine with that. Last years draft was shit. But in a year like this one, you keep and use as many picks as possible, because the odds of hitting on someone in those late rounds just went up.

[JAFBF]

What I am saying is that there was a HUGE need, that he could have filled with his own formula, but he traded away picks to move up and grab players that he didn't need. I have already stated that I am giving him the benafit of the doubt on Bilgert and Manziel. I assume a team was trying to and jump us for Gilbert and we know the Chiefs were going to take Manziel. But why spend the 6th to get West. Was RB such a huge need, and was the next on the board so bad or was Wests value so good, that it really required us to trade up? I don't think so.

 

I'm saying we should follow the formula because they have been saying that is the type of thing they want to run. And I don't blame them for wanting to run it. The Seahawks and 49ers do it every year and it has worked great for them. Also, and I have already said this, I can agree with trading a 7th round pick for a 6th, or even a 6th for a 5th, if we have come out of the draft with a good amount of players. We came out with 6 in a year where we started with 10 picks. We should have come out of it with 8. Who was taken after our pick that Farmer really wanted to go undrafted. We don't know, but it would be stupid to think that he had to cross a lot of names off a list by the time the 7th round was over. Who was he targetting as a UDFA that turned him down or signed else where before he could call? Who knows. But in the deepest draft of the last decade we came out with 6 of our 10 picks when we should have had 8 players. You want to do this in a draft like last years and am more than fine with that. Last years draft was shit. But in a year like this one, you keep and use as many picks as possible, because the odds of hitting on someone in those late rounds just went up.

 

I heard Detroit was going to go after Gilbert, that's why we moved.

 

The Ravens and a couple others were zeroing in on West . . . and Casserly just said on NFLNetwork that he thinks West is going to be the steal of Day 2 . . . that he'll end up beating out Tate at RB.

41 TD's and 2500 yds . . . yeah, smaller school, but 225 lbs at 5'9" has got to be tough to bring down.

[Harry Buffalo]

Would you be all over the seahawk model had they not won the Superbowl?

 

If it was Denver, would you then be on their jock?

 

Or do you prefer to take 12 long shot players over 6 better talents?

 

Hoping for a diamond in the rough is fun, ut the more talented players go off the board first for a reason.

I don't give a shit about them winning the super bowl. The Seahawks are doing the same thing as the 49ers and both are very successful doing that.

 

I still can't stress this enough, I like all the players we got. I'd give them all B grades or better. But like you are also saying more talented players go off the board first. So why are we high fiving over trading up for a late 3rd round RB (the one trade I am really complaining about) when we could have gotten a similar player at our first 4th round pick, while then also keeping a hold of that 6th rounder? And why is the deepest draft of the decade are we going to trade a pick for next year, even if it is a 7th round pick? How much better of a value do we get from trading an early 7th in this years deep draft where we need all the help we can get this year, for what is likely going to be a late 6th round pick in a draft that isn't likely to be as deep. Also consider that value when you compare it to getting a rookie next year vs. having a guy with 1 year unders his belt.

[Harry Buffalo]

 

I heard Detroit was going to go after Gilbert, that's why we moved.

 

The Ravens and a couple others were zeroing in on West . . . and Casserly just said on NFLNetwork that he thinks West is going to be the steal of Day 2 . . . that he'll end up beating out Tate at RB.

41 TD's and 2500 yds . . . yeah, smaller school, but 225 lbs at 5'9" has got to be tough to bring down.

 

I don't think it's going to be so much of him beating out Tate and more so them splitting carrys for the season. Give one the ball more WK1 then the other the ball more WK2. But once again like I have said, I like West. I just don't like that we traded up for him cause I think we could have gotten someone how equal value at RB or another position at or original pick.

[JAFBF]

 

I don't think it's going to be so much of him beating out Tate and more so them splitting carrys for the season. Give one the ball more WK1 then the other the ball more WK2. But once again like I have said, I like West. I just don't like that we traded up for him cause I think we could have gotten someone how equal value at RB or another position at or original pick.

 

At the time, I think the top three (maybe more) RB's were off the board.

 

I want to see what the kid can do against NFL talent myself, I remember Morris with NYG being a tough little bugger many years back, could be the same thing here.

[Gunz41]

I don't give a shit about them winning the super bowl. The Seahawks are doing the same thing as the 49ers and both are very successful doing that.

 

I still can't stress this enough, I like all the players we got. I'd give them all B grades or better. But like you are also saying more talented players go off the board first. So why are we high fiving over trading up for a late 3rd round RB (the one trade I am really complaining about) when we could have gotten a similar player at our first 4th round pick, while then also keeping a hold of that 6th rounder? And why is the deepest draft of the decade are we going to trade a pick for next year, even if it is a 7th round pick? How much better of a value do we get from trading an early 7th in this years deep draft where we need all the help we can get this year, for what is likely going to be a late 6th round pick in a draft that isn't likely to be as deep. Also consider that value when you compare it to getting a rookie next year vs. having a guy with 1 year unders his belt.

 

Well your answer is right in your question. You wanna know why you trade up for someone and give up the 6th when you can get someone similar at our 1st 4th round pick. Well if its even possible that West can come in and start over Tate, then that means you upgraded yet another position. So then that trade up was worth it. The next back wouldn't have dont so in all likelihood. See the difference now. Its all about the QUALITY of what you get in the picks HB, not the QUANITY.

 

I am sure that someone from this draft class from each round 6-7 is going to make some kind of impact. But for everyone one of them there is 25 that wont. You cant just assume it will be on our team, You cant assume that it will be on Seattle or SF either. Lets just move on and give these new players and FO our full suport, after this roller coaster weekend, I think they all deserve it

[Harry Buffalo]

 

Well your answer is right in your question. You wanna know why you trade up for someone and give up the 6th when you can get someone similar at our 1st 4th round pick. Well if its even possible that West can come in and start over Tate, then that means you upgraded yet another position. So then that trade up was worth it. The next back wouldn't have dont so in all likelihood. See the difference now. Its all about the QUALITY of what you get in the picks HB, not the QUANITY.

 

I am sure that someone from this draft class from each round 6-7 is going to make some kind of impact. But for everyone one of them there is 25 that wont. You cant just assume it will be on our team, You cant assume that it will be on Seattle or SF either. Lets just move on and give these new players and FO our full suport, after this roller coaster weekend, I think they all deserve it

How are you so certain that a West is going to come in and un seat Tate. Im not sure he can do that. I like him as a prospect, but that doesn't make him better than Tate. More importantly how do we know any of the RB take in the 4th won't be better than West, or for that matter a RB Farmer had rated just under West won't end up being better than West. Hell, Crowell, who we just signed as a priority UDFA with a signing bonus, in all likely hood could be better than West. If any position in the NFL is proven to be the biggest gamble and crab shoot from round to round, its the RB position, and we traded up to get one.

[Frenchie]

I give this draft a B-grade mostly because i don't agree with their strategy. I liked the trade initially but not after I found out about Gordon. Had I known, I either pick a WR at 4 (Evans) or ask for a 1st rounder plus Buffalo's disgruntled receiver (which they traded to SF). As for the second round and initial 3rd round pick, I think they were reaches. I'm OK with the RB and 4th round pick but they could have used the 7th on a receiver.

[acmikeac]

That crossed my mind, why take Buffalo's 4th rounder next year, take the wr instead from them. As Buffalo was giving the farm away that should have been an easy sell.

[Frenchie]

I also think they should have played the QB's dropping to their favor. Pick the best one at 26 (they are all gambles) and keep the 3rd rounder. Our second shoud have gone to a better ILB and the two thirds should have been OG's.

[Taco918]

That crossed my mind, why take Buffalo's 4th rounder next year, take the wr instead from them. As Buffalo was giving the farm away that should have been an easy sell.

I thought the same thing at first but I'm assuming Farmer and co weren't real high on Stevie. I'm not too terribly concerned about the WR spot, as most are. We gave Hawkins a pretty generous contract (which I assume they believe he'll earn with his play) and Burleson will be back before preseason. While we might not have world beaters outside, we have enough to get by. Plus it looks like we'll be running the ball quite a bit.

 

Basically I like where we're at but then again I'm the optimistic type.

[PoeticG]

This crop cannot fail us.

 

Gilbert is fucking AMAZING.

 

Manziel is the HOPE.

 

Bitonio, the CRUDGEL.

 

Kirksey is the PRESENCE.

 

West is the TORQUE.

 

Desir is the HAWK.

 

I believe these six will start and be missing pieces we needed to stake a claim to the AFCN.

 

QB/OL/RB - ILB/CB/FS

[MLD Woody]

We have youth at a lot if positions, depth too. Not a pressing needs to use all 10 picks. Get the guys you want early in the draft AND we're set next year. I'm cool with that.

[5150k9]

Great end to farmers first draft... F+

 

He's tanked it... For next years draft- that's the "plus"

 

WR 1, pot busted

WR 3/2 arm surgery

 

And no drafted receivers... Am I missing anything ?

 

That old ass steeler D gets major break week 1... Bastards

I very rarely post, but I read a lot. Your are a total f'n idiot. We built this DFense to be the top 5, and the OFense will run the crap out of the ball. Shan runs a 2 tight end set, with either Qb there, they will have recievers. Go troll somewhere else.

[Harry Buffalo]

That crossed my mind, why take Buffalo's 4th rounder next year, take the wr instead from them. As Buffalo was giving the farm away that should have been an easy sell.

I agree, I would have much prefered that trade. I assume that he was part of the trade conversation and the Browns turned it down. Most likely they tried to pull out the 1st round when they tried to include Stevie or something like that. But I would have called them the next day and said (We will give you OUR 4th round pick for Stevie. We keep yours. Lets see who picks lower come next year."

[Gunz41]

How are you so certain that a West is going to come in and un seat Tate. Im not sure he can do that. I like him as a prospect, but that doesn't make him better than Tate. More importantly how do we know any of the RB take in the 4th won't be better than West, or for that matter a RB Farmer had rated just under West won't end up being better than West. Hell, Crowell, who we just signed as a priority UDFA with a signing bonus, in all likely hood could be better than West. If any position in the NFL is proven to be the biggest gamble and crab shoot from round to round, its the RB position, and we traded up to get one.

 

I don't mean to sound rude to you Harry Buffalo, so sorry if that is what I am doing, but do you know how to read? You take what I wrote and say that I said West is going to unseat Tate. That really makes me question if you can read, or at least comprehend what you read. This is the direct quote of what I wrote. "Well if its even possible that West can come in and start over Tate, then that means you upgraded yet another position. So then that trade up was worth it" I did not say he was GOING to come in and start over Tate, I did not even say I wanted him to, actually I didnt even say I think I thought he could, I said if its possible that he can then the trade is worth it. The team obviously think he can or they wouldn't have made the trade.

[Harry Buffalo]

 

I don't mean to sound rude to you Harry Buffalo, so sorry if that is what I am doing, but do you know how to read? You take what I wrote and say that I said West is going to unseat Tate. That really makes me question if you can read, or at least comprehend what you read. This is the direct quote of what I wrote. "Well if its even possible that West can come in and start over Tate, then that means you upgraded yet another position. So then that trade up was worth it" I did not say he was GOING to come in and start over Tate, I did not even say I wanted him to, actually I didnt even say I think I thought he could, I said if its possible that he can then the trade is worth it. The team obviously think he can or they wouldn't have made the trade.

I dont know, can you read? My point is that if he doesn't, if a RB that could have been had later performs better, if West doesn't perform, it makes the trade worthless. Considerly how closely ranked alot of the RB were at that point and considering how much of a gamble RB tend to be from round to round, I'm saying it wasn't worth it right now. Yes is a season or two we will find out if the trade is worth it. We will find out if someone taken after West does better, or if WEst out performs them all. But given the value that was on the board at the time from what I saw, and the history of RB being found all over the draft and the position becoming such a gamble in terms of production from round to round, I stand by my statement that the trade was stupid.

[Gunz41]

I dont know, can you read? My point is that if he doesn't, if a RB that could have been had later performs better, if West doesn't perform, it makes the trade worthless. Considerly how closely ranked alot of the RB were at that point and considering how much of a gamble RB tend to be from round to round, I'm saying it wasn't worth it right now. Yes is a season or two we will find out if the trade is worth it. We will find out if someone taken after West does better, or if WEst out performs them all. But given the value that was on the board at the time from what I saw, and the history of RB being found all over the draft and the position becoming such a gamble in terms of production from round to round, I stand by my statement that the trade was stupid.

 

You can have your opinion all you want, everyone has their own opinions. I won't tell you that yours is wrong and mine is right because there is no way to tell right now. But I will tell you without a shadow of a doubt right now that you were wrong with what you were saying before and the reason I replied and I still don't think you are getting it by the way you replied asking if I could read lol. Your point about another RB performing better could very well be true, but has nothing to do with what has been talked about. What was said IF its even possible that West comes in and overtakes Tate then the trade was worth it, and you go and wrongly state about how I am certain West is going to usurp the position from Tate. Totally false.

 

So in closing, this trade could work out good or bad, only time will tell. But don't go out making up falsehoods on people when there is clear evidence there to back it up and think you can get away with it. It doesn't look good for you.

[Harry Buffalo]

 

You can have your opinion all you want, everyone has their own opinions. I won't tell you that yours is wrong and mine is right because there is no way to tell right now. But I will tell you without a shadow of a doubt right now that you were wrong with what you were saying before and the reason I replied and I still don't think you are getting it by the way you replied asking if I could read lol. Your point about another RB performing better could very well be true, but has nothing to do with what has been talked about. What was said IF its even possible that West comes in and overtakes Tate then the trade was worth it, and you go and wrongly state about how I am certain West is going to usurp the position from Tate. Totally false.

 

So in closing, this trade could work out good or bad, only time will tell. But don't go out making up falsehoods on people when there is clear evidence there to back it up and think you can get away with it. It doesn't look good for you.

 

And don't go putting words in my mouth and take what I was saying out of context, when I stated we could have gotten a similar player and still had the 6th round pick. It implys the all the same things you said about West maybe beating out Tate. If a player we could have gotten with our early 4th rounder could have upsearted someone, it would make it a great pick. If some one who we could have picked there plays well and West doesn't, it makes the trade bad. Don't imply my answer is in what ever I ask, when I am explained why a trade is bad, cause it is obvioully implied, and a moron would know, that the trade can end up being good.

 

We will find out in a year whether the decision was good or bad, for both the West trade and 7th rounder trade.

[thenew23]

We come out with 6 out of 10 picks.

 

Actually we got 9.

 

We turned 2 1sts, a 2nd, 2 3rds, 2 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, and 1 7th into...

 

3 1sts (Gilbert, Manziel, Buff#1 2015), a 2nd (Bitonio), 2 3rds (Kirksey, West), 2 4ths (Desire, Buff#4 2015), and 1 6th (Balt#6 2015)

 

Essentially we traded a 5th and 7th for a 1st rounder... It's called "drafting power" and it's never been more important in this league. With a new regime (again), we were able to get value guys who fit our schemes, and have another stockpile of picks to further improve next season, and so on...

[Gunz41]

 

And don't go putting words in my mouth and take what I was saying out of context, when I stated we could have gotten a similar player and still had the 6th round pick. It implys the all the same things you said about West maybe beating out Tate. If a player we could have gotten with our early 4th rounder could have upsearted someone, it would make it a great pick. If some one who we could have picked there plays well and West doesn't, it makes the trade bad. Don't imply my answer is in what ever I ask, when I am explained why a trade is bad, cause it is obvioully implied, and a moron would know, that the trade can end up being good.

 

We will find out in a year whether the decision was good or bad, for both the West trade and 7th rounder trade.

 

Who put words in your mouth bud? This is what you said, and I quote "How are you so certain that a West is going to come in and un seat Tate. Im not sure he can do that." This was after I said and I quote, "Well if its even possible that West can come in and start over Tate, then that means you upgraded yet another position. So then that trade up was worth it."

 

You really are still not understanding this, so I will do something I do when coaching when someone doesn't understand the offense, I will try and simplify it. Nowhere in ANY statement did I (or anyone that I have seen) say that West was going to come in and unseat Tate. What I said, and it is written again in this very post AGAIN for you to read is that if it is even possible that West can come in and start over Tate, then the trade was worth it. If it was Crowell we drafted there and he came in and performed like Adrian Peterson and we made that trade, is that worth it, even though we just picked him up as an UDFA? Of course it is. It doesnt matter who the player is. If they make the team better then the trade was worth it.

 

And by the way, if I were to put words in your mouth, I would put the right words in your mouth, not fictional words like upsearted

[Harry Buffalo]

 

Actually we got 9.

 

We turned 2 1sts, a 2nd, 2 3rds, 2 4ths, 1 5th, 1 6th, and 1 7th into...

 

3 1sts (Gilbert, Manziel, Buff#1 2015), a 2nd (Bitonio), 2 3rds (Kirksey, West), 2 4ths (Desire, Buff#4 2015), and 1 6th (Balt#6 2015)

 

Essentially we traded a 5th and 7th for a 1st rounder... It's called "drafting power" and it's never been more important in this league. With a new regime (again), we were able to get value guys who fit our schemes, and have another stockpile of picks to further improve next season, and so on...

I get what your saying but my statement is simply referring to the ammount of players we came out with this year and not the players we will get from the picks next year.

[PoeticG]

Fuck it, I'll say it and own it too.

 

This beast ass motherfucker Terrance West will throw any fucking runningback off the spot and hold down the mound. He's a fucking monster, I've seen it in his eyes. Dare I say it? West may even be better than Trent...

[Gunz41]

Fuck it, I'll say it and own it too.

 

This beast ass motherfucker Terrance West will throw any fucking runningback off the spot and hold down the mound. He's a fucking monster, I've seen it in his eyes. Dare I say it? West may even be better than Trent...

 

Better than Trent? No, say it ain't so. But is he a better running back than Derek Carr and Colt McCoy are Quarterbacks?

[Harry Buffalo]

Fuck it, I'll say it and own it too.This beast ass motherfucker Terrance West will throw any fucking runningback off the spot and hold down the mound. He's a fucking monster, I've seen it in his eyes. Dare I say it? West may even be better than Trent...

Ok now I am seriously starting to question West.