calfoxwc Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 More and more serious all the time. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/14/isis-leader-see-you-in-new-york.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Your title is a little misleading, Obama never "released him", he was transferred from Camp Bucca along with all remaining prisoners to Iraqi prisons as part of the US-Iraq Security deal signed in 2008, the US gov't recommended detention but the Iraqi's released him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 No. Technically, of course, he wasn't there and didn't order it and open up the gate. But his disgusting, really, really dumbass and ignorant declaration of a date when he would force our retreat out of Iraq, so early, just set Iraq up for the trouble now. His cowardice and stupid ass leftist radical garbage yanked the rug out from under the Iraq gov, and very much invited terrorists in Iraq, Syria, and Iran to plan, train, and arm themselves for the day. It's all on Obamao. Rhetorical or not, it's simply true. And it was 2009 when he was released, per the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 June 2009 was when the hand over of detainees and facilities occurred, as part of the deal signed in 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement or you can read the full version here http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf The original plan called for us to leave by Dec 31 of 2011 and was negotiated and signed by the previous administration, Obama pulled us out early on Dec 16th. So he followed through on the agreement with a foreign country that was ready for us to leave and that was wrong? Of course that is what the article says, because it sounds a lot better to blame Obama then to say per the agreement signed the detainees where transferred to Iraq's hands and then released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Okay, but that agreement doesn't stipulate that this murdering "Muslim" piece of garbage' was supposed to be released. That is what is on Obamao. He let it all fall apart, including trading really bad terrorists out of Gitmo for a deserter/traitor. Obamao doesn't inspire trust in anyone anymore, especially in foreign relations. From your Wikipedia link: "When asked by Charlie Rose in a PBS interview how big the American “residual” force would be in Iraq after 2011, Secretary of Defense Gates replied that although the mission would change, “my guess is that you’re looking at perhaps several tens of thousands of American troops”.[15]" My opinion is, that the complete withdrawal led to all this fiasco, and his lack of leadership across the board is telling a very tragic story, yet unfolding. Bush would have inspired that residual force, with the trust of our allied partners. Under Obamao, nobody wants to partner with him. He's a liar, a coward, and screwed up mentally, I think. Although, Holder scores lower on the sanity scale. Obamao won't and can't bring himself to lead. He's a bitcher, a community organizer. But it sounds better to blame, even now, every single Obamao failure on Bush. I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 Okay, but that agreement doesn't stipulate that this murdering "Muslim" piece of garbage' was supposed to be released. That is what is on Obamao. But it sounds better to blame, even now, every single Obamao failure on Bush. I suppose. It was not my attention to blame Bush by pointing out that Obama was following an agreement between 2 countries when the detainees where transferred from our control to Iraqi control in the summer of 2009. If anyone is to blame it is the Iraqi government for releasing him afterwards(against the recommendation of our government). I am guessing that Gates was referring to the non-combat(advisers contractors) forces that have been in Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 But releasing this terrorist was not required by that agreement. We even wanting them to keep HIM in confinement. They let him go anyways. So, since that agreement did not stipulate that this terrorist was to be released...... I stand by my original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 But releasing this terrorist was not required by that agreement. We even wanting them to keep HIM in confinement. They let him go anyways. So, since that agreement did not stipulate that this terrorist was to be released...... I stand by my original post. The agreement gave the Iraqi's the right to chose his fate(which they choose poorly in hindsight) along with everyone we transferred to them. Like I stated before your title is misleading, if its anyone's fault its the Iraqi's, and Obama is only "guilty" of following through on the agreement that was signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 The agreement gave the Iraqi's the right to chose his fate(which they choose poorly in hindsight) along with everyone we transferred to them. Like I stated before your title is misleading, if its anyone's fault its the Iraqi's, and Obama is only "guilty" of following through on the agreement that was signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 Not buyin it. It's like saying no matter what Obamao does, it's Bush's fault. You can bet they would never have released this trash if Bush were president still. Under Obamao, his cowardice and lack of leadership inspires nobody, no country. and his pro-Muslim sentiments, well documented, are his basis for these decisions, apparently. the title is NOT misleading: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/isis-terror-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-was-released-by-obama-from-camp-bucca-in-2009/ Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), hastransformed a few terror cells on the verge of extinction into the most dangerous militant group in the world. "Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi or Abu Dua was once held by the US in Camp Bucca Iraq." "But the Obama administration shut down the Bucca prison camp and released its prisoners, including Abu Dua in 2009." “This guy was a Salafi (a follower of a fundamentalist brand of Islam), and Saddam’s regime would have kept a close eye on him,” said Dr Michael Knights, an Iraq expert at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “He was also in Camp Bucca for several years, which suggests he was already considered a serious threat when he went in there.” That theory seems backed by US intelligence reports from 2005, which describe him as al-Qaeda’s point man in Qaim, a fly-blown town in Iraq’s western desert. “Abu Duaa was connected to the intimidation, torture and murder of local civilians in Qaim”, says a Pentagon document. “He would kidnap individuals or entire families, accuse them, pronounce sentence and then publicly execute them.” Yes, there was a security agreement. But the Iraqis released this idiot under Obamao, whereas nobody would believe they would have done so under Bush and his military's leadership. Besides, Obamao went with the agreement earlier than necessary. They weren't ready. It's on Obamao, plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), hastransformed a few terror cells on the verge of extinction into the most dangerous militant group in the world. "Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi or Abu Dua was once held by the US in Camp Bucca Iraq." "But the Obama administration shut down the Bucca prison camp and released its prisoners, including Abu Dua in 2009." 2. Upon their withdrawal, the United States Forces shall return to the Government of Iraq all the facilities and areas provided for the use of the combat forces of the United States, based on two lists. The first list of agreed facilities and areas shall take effect upon the entry into force of the Agreement. The second list shall take effect no later than June 30, 2009, the date for the withdrawal of combat forces from the cities, villages, and localities. The Government of Iraq may agree to allow the United States Forces the use of some necessary facilities for the purposes of this Agreement on withdrawal. It was shut down in the summer of 2009, as per the agreement(is this part really hard to understand?). Who knows what would have happened under Bush, maybe we would be invading Iran, maybe it would be free cookies for everyone. Maybe we should have just executed everyone in that prison before closing, or transferred them all to Gitmo all 20K of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 Yes, but Obamao brought the troops out earlier. And, this terrorist was let go despite us wanting him kept behind bars. Obamao doesn't inspire anyone to listen to him. He's an empty suit and and big mouth for the left. Iraq didn't listen to us because no other country respects Obamao now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 Cal can rationalize how everything from heart attacks to thunderstorms can be blamed on Obama. Idiot bullshit that sounds just as bad as the morons who blamed everything on Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 You have got to wonder why we bother keeping these guys alive. If we have these terrorist criminal masterminds why not just kill them? They'd understand. They'd do the same to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 You have got to wonder why we bother keeping these guys alive. If we have these terrorist criminal masterminds why not just kill them? They'd understand. They'd do the same to us. We don't kill them because Obamao. He hopped in his Delorean and influenced all international laws pertaining to warfare and imprisoned enemy combatants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 Ah. It makes perfect sense. As for the laws of warfare and call that we don't really have to adhere to them in this case I think. It's not like they're iraqi army regulars. These are terrorists. Nobody besides other terrorist scum was going to miss them if we quietly had them garroted at gitmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 Oh I am with you on that. You have to have an end game for these guys. Lock them away forever (not cost effective) or off them. Releasing then to do harm again is absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 You have got to wonder why we bother keeping these guys alive. If we have these terrorist criminal masterminds why not just kill them? They'd understand. They'd do the same to us. Because we're supposed to be better than them... Better than the terrorists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 Because we're supposed to be better than them... Better than the terrorists In other words turn the other cheek? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 woodypeckerhead would bare both cheeks. He rolls coward and liberal. Really bad combination, along with being a stupid young woodpecker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Mike H translation: "duh...... whatever. I'll just log a vague bitch post like woodpecker" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Something must be fucked up in your actual life Cal. Idk what it is, but I hope you're ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Mike H translation: "duh...... whatever. I'll just log a vague bitch post like woodpecker" That goddamn Obamao is at it again.He must have gone to Mike H's house and brainwashed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Something must be fucked up in your actual life Cal. Idk what it is, but I hope you're ok I joked about his mind slipping but there is a legitimate chance that it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 yeah. too many tomatoes. I work hard. Arguing stupid crap on this board is still entertaining. I did have a screw loose last week, and it caused our garage door to jam, the cable come off one side, and we had to call in a tech to fix it. But he tightened it, fixed the door opener. I'm good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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